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Hey everyone.

I'll start by telling you a little about what I use my computer for, and then get to my questions;

I have a background in competition gaming, WAN-based. The last game I was playing was Battlefield 3. I was playing that on a Phenom II X4 965 running at 4.0GHz, paired with a GTX 460. Not the greatest, but it did the job well.

I usually record the gameplay, either to upload to YouTube or review later. Software based recording.

I also use Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom for graphic design and photography purposes.

So now I find myself making an upgrade list to keep up with games and my new 120Hz BENQ. For a GPU, I've mostly settled on an MSI GTX 770 Lightning.

What I'd really like some input on is the processor. I'm torn between the sweet spot that is the 4770k, and the brawn of the soon-to-come 4930k. What do you think, and why?

Other useful information:
  • The other parts are ones I'll be carrying over from my current build, details are in the "Medium Gaming" rig in my footer/signature.
  • I usually have a few background programs running. While gaming, I'm recording to a hard drive, monitoring system stuff, and maybe forgot to close Photoshop.
  • For those of you who haven't played much multiplayer BF3, the larger servers (48-64 player) could be very CPU intensive, on top of the game using a fair amount of processing power. My 965 could barely handle the large servers.
  • I'm not a heavy overclocker, but I usually run a moderate OC. I'm planning on getting a self contained water cooler for this upgrade.
  • I'm in the process of saving up for this, so at the moment release dates aren't an issue. I'll likely be making the purchase in a month or two.
  • I'm hoping to go for 3ish years before another major upgrade, while keeping up with most blockbuster game releases. So while both of these processors are high end, they bring with them a certain longevity that appeals to me.
  • This is an interesting article another competitive BF3 player sent me recently, it's swayed me a little towards the hexacore.
That's about it! If you have questions, ask, otherwise I'm looking forward to reading your responses and conversing with you all. Take care, and thanks in advance. smile.gif
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Hey everyone.

I'll start by telling you a little about what I use my computer for, and then get to my questions;

I have a background in competition gaming, WAN-based. The last game I was playing was Battlefield 3. I was playing that on a Phenom II X4 965 running at 4.0GHz, paired with a GTX 460. Not the greatest, but it did the job well.

I usually record the gameplay, either to upload to YouTube or review later. Software based recording.

I also use Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, and Lightroom for graphic design and photography purposes.

So now I find myself making an upgrade list to keep up with games and my new 120Hz BENQ. For a GPU, I've mostly settled on an MSI GTX 770 Lightning.

What I'd really like some input on is the processor. I'm torn between the sweet spot that is the 4770k, and the brawn of the soon-to-come 4930k. What do you think, and why?

Other useful information:
  • The other parts are ones I'll be carrying over from my current build, details are in the "Medium Gaming" rig in my footer/signature.
  • I usually have a few background programs running. While gaming, I'm recording to a hard drive, monitoring system stuff, and maybe forgot to close Photoshop.
  • For those of you who haven't played much multiplayer BF3, the larger servers (48-64 player) could be very CPU intensive, on top of the game using a fair amount of processing power. My 965 could barely handle the large servers.
  • I'm not a heavy overclocker, but I usually run a moderate OC. I'm planning on getting a self contained water cooler for this upgrade.
  • I'm in the process of saving up for this, so at the moment release dates aren't an issue. I'll likely be making the purchase in a month or two.
  • I'm hoping to go for 3ish years before another major upgrade, while keeping up with most blockbuster game releases. So while both of these processors are high end, they bring with them a certain longevity that appeals to me.
  • This is an interesting article another competitive BF3 player sent me recently, it's swayed me a little towards the hexacore.
That's about it! If you have questions, ask, otherwise I'm looking forward to reading your responses and conversing with you all. Take care, and thanks in advance. smile.gif

Welcome to the OCN community, first and foremost.

To your question regrading CPU choice, the obvious answer lies in your budget. If you have the money, then IvyBridge Extreme - you will enjoy the multitasking benefits, along with the professional work, and the server applications you're considering. The 4770k will handle all your needs of course, but the Hex-core will do it all better ... ESPECIALLY if you're looking to a 3 year lifespan.

Don't forget you'll need to factor new RAM into the equation, being a Quad-channel setup on LGA2011.

Also consider your current PSU. What make and model is it, and how old? If you have any inkling for SLI in future (which you may need to hit your 120fps in new games), then you'll have to be careful in PSU.

The GTX770 is a fine choice. It won't max out games at 120fps @1080p, well, not all games. Certainly not BF3.
Edited by willibj - 8/4/13 at 1:31am
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Welcome to the OCN community, first and foremost.

To your question regrading CPU choice, the obvious answer lies in your budget. If you have the money, then IvyBridge Extreme - you will enjoy the multitasking benefits, along with the professional work, and the server applications you're considering.

Don't forget you'll need to factor new RAM into the equation, being a Quad-channel setup on LGA2011.

Also consider your current PSU. What make and model is it, and how old?

The GTX770 is a fine choice. It won't max out games at 120fps @1080p, well, not all games. Certainly not BF3.

Thank you. smile.gif

Budget is basically me squirreling away bits of my paychecks to save for this purchase, if need be I can simply wait a little longer to buy. I don't think I'd be comfortable spending more than $1400-$1500 though, as this isn't a brand new build.

Hmm. RAM is something I wasn't considering, I actually thought I'd be fine with my current sticks. Can the 2011 socket use dual-channel, or does it need quad-channel?

I'll probably have to get another PSU, I haven't seen mine on the compatibility list. But I already knew I would have to get one moving to a 4th-Gen Intel chip, so yeah.

Here is my current basket, as a sort of "Most expensive" scenario. I wasn't including RAM, but if I was I'd probably go for 4x2GBs for around $80.


As far as maxing game settings, it's not a big issue. When playing for competition I tend to lower all settings and even play at a lower resolution for the sheer framerate gains (crazy, but we do a lot to gain an advantage). But otherwise I usually just play things on medium or whatever the defaults are, as long as it runs smoothly. I'm not the type of person who needs everything set to Ultra in order to enjoy something. Honestly, if it gets a little over what I'm comfortable paying for, I'd even be willing to downsize to a 760.
Edited by Purpelendire - 8/4/13 at 1:54am
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OCZ Agility 4 128GB  Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB Lite-On 24x DVD-RW Drive Cooler Master Seidon 120M 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit BenQ XL2420T LG W2343T Leopold TKL w/Cherry MX Brown, Landing Pads 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i3-3227U Lenovo Base Board Intel HD Graphics 4000 Micron 1x8GB @ 1600MHz 
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