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nah, I like Android platform well enough (lots of useful apps) ... and I meant I wanted a new world breaking type of battery that can last months on a single charge, not just a better battery biggrin.gif

Soon, the new types will come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVUf7-tTLXo

Interesting though, SSDs aren't that old, and already a new challenger approaches. Moore's Law and all, but I didn't see it coming that quickly.

Edit: videos not embedding properly, so have a link instead!
Edited by LucenNox - 8/12/13 at 2:06pm
post #42 of 49
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Soon, the new types will come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVUf7-tTLXo

Interesting though, SSDs aren't that old, and already a new challenger approaches. Moore's Law and all, but I didn't see it coming that quickly.

Edit: videos not embedding properly, so have a link instead!

yeah, I'm surprised myself at RRAM stuff, thought SSDs would last for a decade at least, just improved and developed further.

just disappointed about portable batteries, we are still running same weak Li-ion/polymer cells that were introduced in late 90's, that's pretty pathetic given the power consumption of today's smartphones/tablets with all the added features and all that's new.

it seems that portable energy cell industry is kinda way behind the innovators from mobile and computer hardware industry...
that supercapacitor looks interesting, but as I understand it's not a solution on its own and still requires a battery to merge with and create a new hybrid cell battery.
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yeah, I'm surprised myself at RRAM stuff, thought SSDs would last for a decade at least, just improved and developed further.

just disappointed about portable batteries, we are still running same weak Li-ion/polymer cells that were introduced in late 90's, that's pretty pathetic given the power consumption of today's smartphones/tablets with all the added features and all that's new.

it seems that portable energy cell industry is kinda way behind the innovators from mobile and computer hardware industry...
that supercapacitor looks interesting, but as I understand it's not a solution on its own and still requires a battery to merge with and create a new hybrid cell battery.

The limitations of NAND are already known and companies are coming up with workarounds...


The problem with battery technology in general is energy density. As you increase density, more damage can be done if a runaway reaction occurs.
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The limitations of NAND are already known and companies are coming up with workarounds...


The problem with battery technology in general is energy density. As you increase density, more damage can be done if a runaway reaction occurs.

well, I expected some hybrid solutions in NAND segment and I think Samsung already presented those ... and hit SataIII/6G speed limitations in process, no? or maybe I'm mistaking things.

anyways, yeah, energy storage and density certainly is a safety factor if things go wrong, but I am just saying that galvanic or polymer batteries sound like XIX-XX century stuff, don't they?

we are in XXI century since over a decade and should already be working on a completely different media for energy storage (not improving some ancient designs further). there were lots of prototype projects like experiments with crystal, bacteria, laser light capture, alcohol based solution, or even power of atom on a small scale (more of a joke in terms of safety) in the last decade and somehow none of them went through at all.
what I mean ... it seems we as a whole got stuck with those out-dated technologies regarding energy storage and are not really moving forward ... what we need is a leap, not small step improvements that are meaningless in a long run. just like we were stuck with Diesel and gasoline engines for a long time (and still mostly are despite all new cars based on hybrid and purely electrical engines).
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well, I expected some hybrid solutions in NAND segment and I think Samsung already presented those ... and hit SataIII/6G speed limitations in process, no? or maybe I'm mistaking things.

anyways, yeah, energy storage and density certainly is a safety factor if things go wrong, but I am just saying that galvanic or polymer batteries sound like XIX-XX century stuff, don't they?

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what I mean ... it seems we as a whole got stuck with those out-dated technologies regarding energy storage and are not really moving forward ... what we need is a leap, not small step improvements that are meaningless in a long run. just like we were stuck with Diesel and gasoline engines for a long time (and still mostly are despite all new cars based on hybrid and purely electrical engines).

Samsung had the concept of hybrid drives with Vista.... however, they gave up with HDDs completely. WD and Seagate are both now pushing hybrid drives.

Energy storage is a very very very very hard and complex issue. It's not just about how much energy you can fit into a space.... you have to consider how fast the energy can be extracted, stability, leakage, environmental tolerances, material/production costs, etc. There are billions invested in energy storage technology so it's not like no one is paying attention to it.
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Samsung had the concept of hybrid drives with Vista.... however, they gave up with HDDs completely. WD and Seagate are both now pushing hybrid drives.

my bad wording! I meant PCIe expansion cards based on NAND storage (PCIe SSD) presented by Samsung recently along with EVO lineup.

the SSHD drives are a nice addon to mechanical series if one is on budget and want the SSD cache addition, it works ... well mostly, if you are not swapping large files around too much wink.gif but that solution is out-dated already as well and just doesn't cut it speed wise in general and it still involves a mechanical drive (prone to failures).

wondering if we will see hybrids of NAND SSD with ReRAM too ...
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my bad wording! I meant PCIe expansion cards based on NAND storage (PCIe SSD) presented by Samsung recently along with EVO lineup.

the SSHD drives are a nice addon to mechanical series if one is on budget and want the SSD cache addition, it works ... well mostly, if you are not swapping large files around too much wink.gif but that solution is out-dated already as well and just doesn't cut it speed wise in general and it still involves a mechanical drive (prone to failures).

wondering if we will see hybrids of NAND SSD with ReRAM too ...

Samsung did not present any new PCIe SSDs.... they are implementing SATA-Express and are publishing a new SSD-centric protocol to replace AHCI for SSDs.


SATA-Express uses PCIe but it does NOT use the standard PCIe physical interfaces.
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Samsung did not present any new PCIe SSDs.... they are implementing SATA-Express and are publishing a new SSD-centric protocol to replace AHCI for SSDs.


SATA-Express uses PCIe but it does NOT use the standard PCIe physical interfaces.

yeah, SATAe is the thing I meant ultimately LOL, but yes that was it, remembered it wrong smile.gif
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