Originally Posted by Bit_reaper
AMD. Come out with a proper high performance CPU's and launch thous new GPU's. The reason the PC market is down is that there is lees and less hardware that is worth the upgrade.
Uh no. The reason the PC market is losing growth is because we're at a point where almost anything computer you buy/have bought will run daily tasks without any issues or major slowdowns. It wasnt like that during the vista days and back. Not to mention the elephant in the room; the mobile sector is eating at PC sales.
Originally Posted by DMHernandez
So his argument is, the bigger the market share a company has, more they suffer if the market as whole shrinks... Wow, he just blew my mind.
Except for the fact that both intel AND Nvidia are investing heavily on mobile technology, you know, the market that's increasing and "eating away" the PC one.
I could understand the argument if AMD's competitors were ignoring the market trend, which isn't the case.
Its obvious they both are invested, but intel was WAY behind in jumping on the bandwagon, it was the CEO (or another exec) of intel who publicly stated how badly they misinterpreted the mobile boom and are now trying to play catchup. And if you look at nvidias tegra sales they started out strong but 2012 and 2013 have been lackluster and they are now struggling.
I think what he was trying to get as was, both companies misread the mobile sector, and now are investing significant resources in the area, despite the market already being dominated by arm. Risking that money on hopes that the mobile boom will continue and that they will be able to chip away at the arm dominance. If you read up on intels CPU arc, youll see it wont get integrated LTE till 2015, and until then, it wont have a chance to have a significant role in smartphones. Assuming it trades blows with arm, thats another 2 years they are giving qualcomm and the likes. It could pay off or it could go the way of netburst. Meanwhile AMD is essentially taking a few arcs and adjusting them for certain needs (servers, consoles,tablets, pcs, laptops,etc) meaning that there is very little risk for them and if a particular sector slows down (like mobile) they will get a papercut while intel gets its arm cut off.
Originally Posted by Bit_reaper
Yeah though that's a bit of an self fulfilling prophecy. New high end CPU's don't sell as they aren't that much faster then the parts they replace and so they draw the conclusion that there isn't a demand for that type of CPU and as a result reduce the amount of money they use on R&D which in turn results in even less gains for the next round of CPU's.
If this keeps up we are going to end up grinding to a complete stop as far as semi affordable performance CPU's go.
Well I guess we can always hope ARM processors as they start to catch up to x86 are going to start forcing AMD and Intel to do some progress.
But do you think that AMD is doing the wrong thing? Say i could give you royalties for ivybridge E or baytrail (using an intel example to make the point clearer), which would you choose? There are other things that matter besides pure performance.
Originally Posted by Syan48306
Even the VP of AMD sales knows how to troll
PC market is on the wane because there's no good products to upgrade to. If AMD had better GPUs and CPUs, it'd push Intel and Nvidia to come out with something better that would crush AMD again. Had nvidia and intel felt the need to release the GK110 at $500 and Ivy Bridge with 8 cores, they would have done so and it would have caused a ton of people to upgrade to those products. Instead, we're stuck at a standstill because AMD can't put out.
Sales and PR, all about the misdirection of blame
Oh that and I'm sold on Nvidia commitment on the superior gaming platform.
yeah because the thing thats holding the PC market back is lack of upgrades /s... You list a $500 GPU being a reason, yet the majority of people only spend that much on their entire PC. Get your head out of the 'PC enthusiast crowd is 100% of PC sales' closet. OCN is the minority.
Originally Posted by BeerPowered
Bold Statements from someone who doesn't have a very big slice of the pie. If they want to talk about all the sectors, Samsung and Qualcomm both passed AMD in market share.
PC market is shrinking? Its not. There is a wall that high-end CPU's hit, much like the 3Ghz Barrier years ago. We will break through the wall again, and sales will pick up.
While I agree we are hitting a performance wall, it has almost nothing to do with the PC market decline (its not shrinking, its just not growing as expected). And if you still believe its not happening, go read the hundreds of article, anlayst discussions, and listen to earnings reports from microsoft, intel, amd, and more, they all claim that it has hurt their sales.