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I am using Xfce. You're saying it has something to do with GTK?

no i think its purely a vsync / GL-buffer issue which each desktop environment seems to handle differently,KDE is using something called KWin and it handles the displaying of frames differently, in the settings menu (desktop effects) there are 3 - 4 different settings for vsync and they do seem to have a perceptible difference on input lag. I could get smooth graphics with some settings but it was like i was playing a pre-recorded version of what i had just inputted.. dropping from tripple buffer to double in L4D2 reduced it and removing vsync entirely seemed to give better results still.. so there is something about the frame buffer that is odd and not responding quick enough. From reading it seems like the archaic xserver (which is an OS within itself) is getting in the way.

Wayland and Mir hope to remove xserver and bring forward a frame perfect no lag display environment and they should be incoming in the next few rounds of distro releases

So all i can say for now until these new display servers properly arrive and get integrated is for you to experiment with KDE's more advanced vsync settings (on xfce i didnt see and easy gui for this) and from my experience feel an improvement through the smoother Kwin system which as far as i can tell is also being kept to integrate with wayland.

*you might have to use the opensource driver if you go with 4.11 KDE as there is a present supposedly solved bug but its still there for me which stops effects working on the desktop when using the latest AMD fglrx catalyst driver, 4.10 has no problem with this.

I know all about Wayland, and can't wait for it. It's just weird since I didn't have this problem before. It's a new thing. The delay is like looking at a stream on Twitch of your play while playing or something. I hope it gets fixed soon. After Wayland and Btrfs arrive, GNU/Linux is gonna be great! Except audio of course...
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I just hope Wayland delivers... I've been getting a lot of these "maximum number of clients reached" X errors as of now...
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I know all about Wayland, and can't wait for it. It's just weird since I didn't have this problem before. It's a new thing. The delay is like looking at a stream on Twitch of your play while playing or something. I hope it gets fixed soon. After Wayland and Btrfs arrive, GNU/Linux is gonna be great! Except audio of course...

ohh i agree, i was playing fine even without any updates with no lag but i think it is more down to when valve update their games and engine and dont fully test for bugs as it seems too easy to break at the moment as the xserver is finicky and complex and valve tend to fix one bug and create another so until a simpler solution is in place such as wayland then this will keep happening. As you probably read wayland gives the application full control over frames and data timing so if something doesn't sync or has a poor frametime its down to the driver or the specific application not the display server and this should at least always allow for end users to have absolute clarity on what causes the issue (the program) rather than the dev's being weak and blaming the display server so they have no excuse if it breaks its their duff update that did it
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They seem to work well enough; Source is still a bit iffy (runs, but not very well compared to Windows), and Valley isn't as smooth as Windows, but they're plenty fast for pretty much everything else. I don't have much in the way of other GPUs to compare it with, though.

I actually seem to get ~2x the FPS in Xonotic as I do on Windows, oddly enough.
I don't have much experience with it, but it seems reasonably fun. It's somewhat like Privateer or Escape Velocity (except 3D, unlike the latter). Besides, hard to go wrong with $6 for the entire series.

I think Egosoft has a demo of X2 on their website that you might be able to run through Wine to see if you like it.



While I'm here, I suppose I'll join, also:
1. Mint 15 KDE and Chakra
2. Red Eclipse, Minecraft, Freespace 2 (and various mods/TCs), Zero-K, Xonotic
3. ~2-3 years of serious use

 

Thank you for the info!  I was planning on trying out a HD 7750, so I am looking for any and all experiences with GCN cards and linux...

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hi all! biggrin.gif

two questions i noticed in this thread:

Crossover

you can get it here if it's not in your repos. It's the commercial version of wine. Work on their end goes back into WINE, so it supports the effort and doesn't just leech.


StarCraft 2

i've run HotS for a good while. note that you may need a certain MS true type font to avoid crashes when Kerrigan levels up in the campaign.

you may also need to run with textures set to High instead of Ultra. memory management is weird.

also, StarCraft doesn't play well with CPU throttling. if your CPU is set to slow down for light use and ramp up for heavy use, SC2 may not be ramping up, thus causing frame issues.

try using CPUFreq to adjust your profile from Ondemand to Performance when you want to play. that should significantly boost your performance.

http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=4619;forum=1;msg=143374

been using Linux since '09. started with Ubuntu, am now on Manjaro. smile.gif doing a desktop reinstall around Christmas.

nice to see this club. smile.gif

Steam ID: nicodemus7777

 

Welcome by the way!  Also, how is Manjaro working for you?  I keep debating if I want to use that distro, but I dont know much about Arch Linux (well to be honest I dont know much about any linux, so thats no excuse).

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hi all! biggrin.gif


two questions i noticed in this thread:

Crossover


you can get it here if it's not in your repos. It's the commercial version of wine. Work on their end goes back into WINE, so it supports the effort and doesn't just leech.


StarCraft 2


i've run HotS for a good while. note that you may need a certain MS true type font to avoid crashes when Kerrigan levels up in the campaign.


you may also need to run with textures set to High instead of Ultra. memory management is weird.


also, StarCraft doesn't play well with CPU throttling. if your CPU is set to slow down for light use and ramp up for heavy use, SC2 may not be ramping up, thus causing frame issues.


try using CPUFreq to adjust your profile from Ondemand to Performance when you want to play. that should significantly boost your performance.

http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=4619;forum=1;msg=143374


been using Linux since '09. started with Ubuntu, am now on Manjaro. smile.gif doing a desktop reinstall around Christmas.


nice to see this club. smile.gif


Steam ID: nicodemus7777

Welcome by the way!  Also, how is Manjaro working for you?  I keep debating if I want to use that distro, but I dont know much about Arch Linux (well to be honest I dont know much about any linux, so thats no excuse).

Nothing has taught me more about Linux than Arch. You should try it. Not Manjaro, real Arch.
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Nothing has taught me more about Linux than Arch. You should try it. Not Manjaro, real Arch.

 

So Manjaro isnt a good stepping stone?  I guess as long as I had a guide and did the research first, Arch wouldnt be all that difficult to install.  

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Nothing has taught me more about Linux than Arch. You should try it. Not Manjaro, real Arch.

So Manjaro isnt a good stepping stone?  I guess as long as I had a guide and did the research first, Arch wouldnt be all that difficult to install.  

The problem is that Manjaro isn't much harder than Linux Mint or Ubuntu, if any at all. You won't learn Linux through it. Use the Beginner's Guide on the ArchWiki (the best Linux wiki ever) to install it. If you do everything exactly as they describe, it can't go wrong.
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Mir will be a real experiment for Linux. Not in new technology, and performance improvements, but in politics.

Mir is an Ubuntu-exclusive (thanks to it's integration will all things Ubuntu, e.g. Unity), and it's for this reason that AMD (and Nvidia, I think) have said that they won't support it. Which means no propriatory drivers, and slow open-source driver progress (as it'll only be Ubuntu dev writing them). Politically, it's a test of just how big Ubuntu as a distro is. Can they bully the GPU companies to support their platform? It's hard to see how Mir could succeed without their backing, as it would take years and years before the drivers were as good as the X server drivers (which is a moving target anyway).

IMO, AMD etc will end up supporting Mir, but probably with less support than their current X server support. You'll probably get a new driver with each card release.
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Nothing has taught me more about Linux than Arch. You should try it. Not Manjaro, real Arch.

QFT. Or you could try Slack, not as easy to live with day-to-day, but it's a real "hands-on" distro for those that are into tinkering.
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The input lag problems Source games are fixed if I turn off Catalyst A.I., VSync, and run everything on Low. But that's far from fun. frown.gif Still don't know if the problem lies with Source or Catalyst.
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