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I'm starting my new build soon, but I am having a bit of a dilemma. I am getting a cooler master sniper case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...) and I'm thinking of getting the GTX 780 ACX to match. Now There are 1 200mm fan on top, 1 in the front, and apparently 1 on the side panel. 1 120mm in the back.

However I found out that there's a vent at the bottom right next to the PSU that can support a 120mm fan. Now the GTX 780 ACX blows air downward inside the case as opposed to the reference model where it blows hot air through the exhaust outside the case.

Now my questions are: since the GTX780 ACX blows hot air directly above and onto the power supply intake, will that cause problems? And also should I set up the 120mm fan on the bottom of the case to expel air or take in air or leave it empty? If the fan takes in air that means it'll suck up dust and lint and it'll also counter the airflow of the GTX 780 ACX's air exhaust. The case does have air filters but since the vent is at the bottom, dust is still my major concern. (where I put my tower will build up dust quickly)

So thanks in advance!
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What PSU have you picked?
 
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The fans on GTX 780 ACX are pulling air into the GPU, not pushing air out.
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Air in through the fans and out on all sides; toward motherbaord, side cover, front and back.
 
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The fans on GTX 780 ACX are pulling air into the GPU, not pushing air out.
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Air in through the fans and out on all sides; toward motherbaord, side cover, front and back.
That's what my Palit 570GTX does, and it plays havoc with my internal case temperatures, I was considering upgrading the cooler , but now 3 years in I am just waiting for the next chip from either ATI or Nvidia (depending which one is best once both are out
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I subbed to this thread to see if there were any cheap interim solutions that might help my case.
 
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That's what my Palit 570GTX does, and it plays havoc with my internal case temperatures, I was considering upgrading the cooler , but now 3 years in I am just waiting for the next chip from either ATI or Nvidia (depending which one is best once both are out
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I subbed to this thread to see if there were any cheap interim solutions that might help my case.
I have not seen any GPU's that the fans did not pull air into the cooler with the exception of WindForce 5X Cooling System. It draws air in off of motherboard and has 5x fans on top edge pulling air toward side cover but is a massive 3 slots wide and very loud. Would love to get one just for fun.
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Hey guys sorry been busy haven't been able to reply. I've found out that ACX sucks air in and dissipates in the case so in that case the Cooler Master storm sniper case should do the trick. Oh I'm getting the corsair hx850 modular PSU. it's rated 80+ Gold so should be able to power the system with head room for more parts.

I'm going to list my parts just in case:

CPU: i7 4670k
Cooler: Hyper 212 Evo
MOBO: Haven't picked yet, I'm torn between Asus and Asrock. Also considering MSI and Gigabyte suggestions would be great thanks! Oh my budget for mobo is under $200
RAM: Corsair Vengeance low profile 8gb
GPU: GTX 780 ACX
Storage: Samsun 840 EVO 250gb or 500gb (will decide later I guess)
PSU: Corsair HX850
Case: Cooler Master Storm Sniper

Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks!
 
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Hey guys sorry been busy haven't been able to reply. I've found out that ACX sucks air in and dissipates in the case so in that case the Cooler Master storm sniper case should do the trick. Oh I'm getting the corsair hx850 modular PSU. it's rated 80+ Gold so should be able to power the system with head room for more parts.

I'm going to list my parts just in case:

CPU: i7 4670k
Cooler: Hyper 212 Evo
MOBO: Haven't picked yet, I'm torn between Asus and Asrock. Also considering MSI and Gigabyte suggestions would be great thanks! Oh my budget for mobo is under $200
RAM: Corsair Vengeance low profile 8gb
GPU: GTX 780 ACX
Storage: Samsun 840 EVO 250gb or 500gb (will decide later I guess)
PSU: Corsair HX850
Case: Cooler Master Storm Sniper

Any suggestions would be appreciated, thanks!
850 watts is massive overkill you could power everything with a 550 watts PSU

Spend money on quality not quantity
 
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I have not seen any GPU's that the fans did not pull air into the cooler with the exception of WindForce 5X Cooling System. It draws air in off of motherboard and has 5x fans on top edge pulling air toward side cover but is a massive 3 slots wide and very loud. Would love to get one just for fun.
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That looks like it belongs in a server!
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as for the HX850 yes Shilka is right it is overkill for that set of components, but if you want to play around with various cooling systems in the near future, adding more cards and other stuff
maybe having some overhead is psychologically a good thing, like I see with so many threads on here is the "can my psu handle this" or "is my psu causing my instability", it seems like moar watts = moar confidence. Even if it is incorrect.

Of course if you're not tinkering with pumps drives and multi gpu, you are best getting a lower wattage Plantinum PSU, from a well reviewed OEM
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That looks like it belongs in a server!
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as for the HX850 yes Shilka is right it is overkill for that set of components, but if you want to play around with various cooling systems in the near future, adding more cards and other stuff
maybe having some overhead is psychologically a good thing, like I see with so many threads on here is the "can my psu handle this" or "is my psu causing my instability", it seems like moar watts = moar confidence. Even if it is incorrect.

Of course if you're not tinkering with pumps drives and multi gpu, you are best getting a lower wattage Plantinum PSU, from a well reviewed OEM
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If he wants a PSU with overheard then a Cooler Master V700 would be a better choice then the HX850
 
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Ok we need to reel this in, how bad is the Corsair REALLY?
I can buy recommended components and then a month or two later it's don't touch this, don't touch that...

It seems a little band-waggony,

You guys really know your stuff, and I do a lot of research on these forums before making any purchase these days, but you can see how it looks.
 
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Ok we need to reel this in, how bad is the Corsair REALLY?
I can buy recommended components and then a month or two later it's don't touch this, don't touch that...

It seems a little band-waggony,

You guys really know your stuff, and I do a lot of research on these forums before making any purchase these days, but you can see how it looks.
There is nothing wrong with Corsair quality its just bad value when you can get something thats better for the same money or a tiny bit more

Its about bang for buck where do get most out of your money and why pay more for something if you can get it cheaper

So no Corsair is not bad just overpriced

And the market change all the time next week something might be better value which will make that a better buy
 
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You think it's an overkill? I have a quality 550W corsair psu right now that powered 2 8800gts 512mb, and now the 560ti. Still running strong after all these years. The reason why I was looking at the 850w is because I may end up sli-ing the 780 in the future. Quality wise I think the modular Corsair HX850w is pretty good. Or do you think a 750w is way more than enough for future upgrades?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139011
 
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You think it's an overkill? I have a quality 550W corsair psu right now that powered 2 8800gts 512mb, and now the 560ti. Still running strong after all these years. The reason why I was looking at the 850w is because I may end up sli-ing the 780 in the future. Quality wise I think the modular Corsair HX850w is pretty good. Or do you think a 750w is way more than enough for future upgrades?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139011
Even a 650 watts PSU could power two GTX 780 cards if you dont overclock

If you want room for overclocking and a few other things then 700-750 watts is all you need

As said the Cooler Master V is better bang for buck then the HX series

Its the same PSU as the Seasonic X and Platinum as well as the Corsair AX760/860 its just cheaper then all of those

So no you dont need 850 watts

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171080&Tpk=Cooler%20Master%20V700

Funny the V700 was 150 yesterday???
 
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Ok we need to reel this in, how bad is the Corsair REALLY?
I can buy recommended components and then a month or two later it's don't touch this, don't touch that...

It seems a little band-waggony,

You guys really know your stuff, and I do a lot of research on these forums before making any purchase these days, but you can see how it looks.
I call it bandwagonesque... but that's not a word either.
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Take a look at custom water cooling components and look at the pumps they use.. especially the small ones and compare their amperage ratings flow-rate and size with the little CLC pumps. CLC radiators are not as well built as custom radiators either... But the biggest difference is really the pumps.
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As far as I know Asetek, Swiftech and CoolIT are the only manufacturers of CLC systems. All others are rebranded Asetek or CoolIT product.
Asetek has patents on the "concept" of CLC systems (closed loop with pump built in).
Asetek is claiming because of these patents it has control of the manufacture and sales of all closed loop cooler systems with a built-in pump.
Asetek has filed patent infringement suits in America against CoolIT and swiftech to stop them selling CLCs. This is the reason Swiftech pulled their H220 off of American market.
 
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Now looking at the v700, it shows 58A on the 12V rail, as opposed to HX850 with 70A on the 12V rail. I'm not an expert on that but is more Amp on the 12V rail better? and also HX850 is currently $149 with extra $20 rebate. Now another difference i see is that V700 shows 93% efficiency at 50% load and HX850 shows 87% efficiency at 20%-100% load. Not sure what that really means.
 
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Now looking at the v700, it shows 58A on the 12V rail, as opposed to HX850 with 70A on the 12V rail. I'm not an expert on that but is more Amp on the 12V rail better? and also HX850 is currently $149 with extra $20 rebate. Now another difference i see is that V700 shows 93% efficiency at 50% load and HX850 shows 87% efficiency at 20%-100% load. Not sure what that really means.
Efficiency means less power wasted

Efficiency is highest at 50% PSU load and lowest below 20% PSU load
 
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Ahh I see, thanks for the suggestion Shilka. As for the motherboard... any suggestions? I would've gone with Asrock extreme series if it's a z77. I'm just confused on what to get. I'm not a pro at overclocking but I will OC my CPU after I get it to about 4.2-4.3 ghz. Any recommendations for a motherboard?
 
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Ahh I see, thanks for the suggestion Shilka. As for the motherboard... any suggestions? I would've gone with Asrock extreme series if it's a z77. I'm just confused on what to get. I'm not a pro at overclocking but I will OC my CPU after I get it to about 4.2-4.3 ghz. Any recommendations for a motherboard?
I have never seen a Asrock board that was not broken so i would not touch any

I would take a Gigabyte Z77X-UH3H

But why not Haswell?
 
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I'm with Shilka on this one, why not Haswell?
They get very similar OC results now that the guys have had time to get used to them, and you get yourself on the new socket along with other mobo goodies.

I have no mobo brand preference, I have friends with Gigabyte, ASRock , ASUS and MSI and they all work fine
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Go for price/spec that matches your requirements
 
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It is haswell. I'm getting the 4670k. I only mention z77 because asrock apparently had great boards for their z77 extreme series. But the z87 they are just not up to par. Reviews for them aren't that great. So I'm looking for a good z87 board with good oc capabilities that's under $200
 
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It is haswell. I'm getting the 4670k. I only mention z77 because asrock apparently had great boards for their z77 extreme series. But the z87 they are just not up to par. Reviews for them aren't that great. So I'm looking for a good z87 board with good oc capabilities that's under $200
You cant use a 4670K on a Z77 board

And the Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H is what you are looking for
 
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I know shilka lol. I was thinking about going with the z87 Asrock extreme 4 but it don't measure up to its predecessor z77 extreme series. I was just making a comparison. But yea I'm going to get Haswell with 1150 socket boards that's under $200. So far Asrock z87 don't look too promising. That's why I need some suggestion for a good motherboard.
 
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I think Gigabyte has given the best OC results to users on OCN, however that is a little skewed as their boards were priced aggressively at launch along with intense marketing and more users seemed to buy Gigabyte (so a numbers game
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). They are great boards, but I think in the end you will only find tiny differences between them, you might get an extra 100MHz here and there but for the most part they are pretty much equal.

Remember a lot of the reviews are only using the included overclocking presets and not going all tweaky.
 
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