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if you decide on swiftech, may wish to go with chrome ones over black. The swiftech chrome fittings are nickel plated brass with final layer of chrome plating/hardening, just like most chrome plating is done including durable marine pumps.... the black ones ? are nickel plated brass with layer of black paint. here is swiftech white paper with specs: http://www.swiftech.org/About_fittings.pdf
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if you decide on swiftech, may wish to go with chrome ones over black. The swiftech chrome fittings are nickel plated brass with final layer of chrome plating/hardening, just like most chrome plating is done including durable marine pumps.... the black ones ? are nickel plated brass with layer of black paint. here is swiftech white paper with specs: http://www.swiftech.org/About_fittings.pdf

too late, the black ones are in transit to me LOL. nickel under paint, huh? crap, always something LOL. I thought there is bare brass under painting. oh well, hopefully they don't corrode, will see.

chrome plating is fine ... but I believe the difference for marine pumps vs water cooling fittings sits in price and plating method, it's much cheaper (in both meanings) for computer loop fittings among majority of vendors ...

does anybody know what plating or metal is under paint of BitsPower Matt Black? in specs they only state "brass and e-coated black color finish" which doesn't tell much if anything at all regarding details... do they mean paint electrophoresis as e-coating? If so then Swiftech uses the same process for Black paint finish.

This process explained here:
http://www.pfonline.com/articles/electrophoresis-process

EDIT:
if you are referring to the below section of Swiftech's article, there is no mention of Nickel plating under black paint as far as I can see.
Quote:
Durability and quality of finish
Using a tool to fasten your Lok-Seal™ fitting will contribute in greatly reducing wear & scratches on the black painted versions and almost completely eliminate damage to the chrome versions.
Black fittings use an electrophoresis process, resulting in a thin, even and durable coat of paint with a glossy finish.
Chrome plated fittings are processed in the same plant as our water-block bases, which are already reputed for their durability and they bright mirror finish: for reference, chrome plating is an additional metal deposit on top of an existing coat of nickel plating. Many of our competitors stop at the nickel plating stage, which is cheaper, and results in a yellowish tint as opposed to the bright white finish provided by chrome.

In fact Nickel plating is under Chrome plating, but they do not specifically mention Nickel plating under Black paint.
Edited by feniks - 8/15/13 at 8:01am
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yeah, I was questioning it, swiftech doesnt say specifically, though at least one site link below says in specs swiftech black are nickel plated brass, but not sure if it is accurate especially since that site calls pretty much everything nickel plated brass, that detail would be better directly from swiftech. And yes the marine pumps are 75 microns of nickel (over 10x thicker than our watercooling nickel plating) and then chrome hardening...but still chrome hardening even over our thinner nickel in distilled water should hold up well.
http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/Swiftech-Lok-Seal-14-Thread-Compression-Fitting-for-38-ID---58-OD-10-16mm-Tubing--Black-pid-16270.html

If paint holds up well, that may prevent the issue. Since I bought those fittings just over a year ago, I have had 2 of them on my upper radiator, rest didnt install ..so will see what those 2 look like in that spot after I tear my rig down next time updating, versus bitspower have elsewhere including on my other rad.

EDIT: I am looking at one of the black swiftech ones that I scratched up, especially since i tossed it back into a bag of other metal fittings for past year. To me looks like brass under the black paint.

I just posted the question on swiftech forums, that way will get an accurate answer....but the metal under the black paint is yellow/gold color, so either brass or yellow looking nickel.
http://forums.swiftech.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2281&sid=02696c2a284c7c2d01900f9539c32407

here is pic of scratches, compare 2 scratches to the gold swiftech emblem on cap. Hard to tell in pic, but it is definitely gold colored...but will wait and see what Swiftech says, was thinking nickel, but after seeing scratches Im thinking painted brass.

Edited by opt33 - 8/15/13 at 11:21am
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yeah, I was questioning it, swiftech doesnt say specifically, though at least one site link below says in specs swiftech black are nickel plated brass, but not sure if it is accurate especially since that site calls pretty much everything nickel plated brass, that detail would be better directly from swiftech. And yes the marine pumps are 75 microns of nickel (over 10x thicker than our watercooling nickel plating) and then chrome hardening...but still chrome hardening even over our thinner nickel in distilled water should hold up well.
http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/Swiftech-Lok-Seal-14-Thread-Compression-Fitting-for-38-ID---58-OD-10-16mm-Tubing--Black-pid-16270.html

If paint holds up well, that may prevent the issue. Since I bought those fittings just over a year ago, I have had 2 of them on my upper radiator, rest didnt install ..so will see what those 2 look like in that spot after I tear my rig down next time updating, versus bitspower have elsewhere including on my other rad.

EDIT: I am looking at one of the black swiftech ones that I scratched up, especially since i tossed it back into a bag of other metal fittings for past year. To me looks like brass under the black paint.

pic:

yeah, would be best to confirm with Swiftech support (at the source) on the possible Nickel plating under painted fittings. will drop them a line in a few minutes.
and yes, Chrome plating over Nickel plating is fine and surely is superior to a simple thin layer of Nickel plating on the brass core.

post pics of those fittings after removal, very interested in seeing how they are holding up in your loop!

EDIT:
interesting, just noticed forums link you posted, hoping for brass under paint after all. additionally sent Swiftech Support an email with same question.
Edited by feniks - 8/15/13 at 11:12am
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It is painted brass! swiftech answered my post.
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It is painted brass! swiftech answered my post.

YES! I started loving Swiftech hehe thumb.gif

EDIT:
received same confirmation (brass under black e-coating) from Swiftech email support, not surprised smile.gif
Edited by feniks - 8/15/13 at 11:51am
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OK, received the Swiftech fittings and I like them so far. despite the fact that some of them have chipped black paint to start with LOL, butthat was expected.

here is a pic of how far I can fasten the collar by bare fingers on Feser UV active blue (metric 13mm/19mm) tube equaling to 1/2'' x 3/4'':


the rest should fit right, just need to dig up my 6'' long crescent wrench from auto repair boxes or find correct metric wrenches (24mm for base and 25mm for collar) which could be hard given the usual size/length of them for such opening diameter.

I want to drill one more hole in my case, for the drain fitting like this (chrome, the dark one had aluminum in description):
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8339/ex-tub-440/Swiftech_12_Brass_Remote_Fill-port_Fitting_-_Chrome_12FPF-CPB.html?tl=g30c101s460

once I figure out the drill size I am all set biggrin.gif a switch to those new black painted fittings will take some time, but by the week end I should be done for good with it.

EDIT:
drill size was mentioned in description of fitting! 5/8'', got that on my step drill bit, seems like I will be modding the case tomorrow and installing new fittings same or next day smile.gif
Edited by feniks - 8/21/13 at 7:52pm
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I managed to track down that graph I talked about when you asked if vinegar is safe to use to clean your loop in MOST circumstances.

Bronze would behave similarly to copper.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-corrosion-resistance-d_491.html

Sorry for just now linking it, but that thing is surprisingly hard to track down. XD I spent a couple hours on google trying to find it.
(Just spend about 30 mins going through my forum history to try and find it, as I was linked it from someone else)
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^if it only listed common platings like Nickel... anyways, all that suffered in my case was a cheap thin Nickel and Silver plating, nothing else wink.gif
most likely a problem with plating itself (Bitspower, you suck)
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^if it only listed common platings like Nickel... anyways, all that suffered in my case was a cheap thin Nickel and Silver plating, nothing else wink.gif
most likely a problem with plating itself (Bitspower, you suck)

Yup, just thought I'd throw up a link to the article I was referencing since I was finally able to find it. biggrin.gif
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