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So we have the "normal" kind of water cooling with plastic tubes like:


And then we have the copper plated alternative that i found from DigitalStormOnline:


What is the difference if you consider:

  • Cooling performance
  • Noise
  • Maintenance
post #2 of 8
I would have to say that the difference is the material, ways it is installed, maybe temps and price...
post #3 of 8
The price would definitely be the major diff smile.gif plus the work.. no setup is the same, and you would have to spend hours bending the pipes into shape.
but it looks darn cool! and I guess it would have a tiny bit better flow if done right..
The noise wouldn't be a factor since none of the two systems will make any noise what so ever.



Maintenance, on the other hand..
if you DO get goo, gunk, particles and what have we? in the system, it would be MUCH easier/cheaper to replace the "normal" tubes.
but then again, I guess you could just flush and reuse the pipes? !

I havent owned that type of plumbing in my rig.. but it looks awesome!

*edit*
Just noticed that "DigitalStormOnline" sells complete solutions.. thats much less work ^^
if price is the same, I would go with the copper plated! just be sure to use some good coolant / adjective / silver kill coil (if it dosnt come with it)
Edited by GaMbi2004 - 8/11/13 at 7:28am
 
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Originally Posted by GaMbi2004 View Post

The price would definitely be the major diff smile.gif plus the work.. no setup is the same, and you would have to spend hours bending the pipes into shape.
but it looks darn cool! and I guess it would have a tiny bit better flow if done right..
The noise wouldn't be a factor since none of the two systems will make any noise what so ever.



Maintenance, on the other hand..
if you DO get goo, gunk, particles and what have we? in the system, it would be MUCH easier/cheaper to replace the "normal" tubes.
but then again, I guess you could just flush and reuse the pipes? !

I havent owned that type of plumbing in my rig.. but it looks awesome!

*edit*
Just noticed that "DigitalStormOnline" sells complete solutions.. thats much less work ^^
if price is the same, I would go with the copper plated! just be sure to use some good coolant / adjective / silver kill coil (if it dosnt come with it)

Some user on there forum sad:
Quote:
The problem with plastic in a water cooling PC is it will eventually expand. its real simple PC heats up tube expands they you have to tighten down the compression fittings. Now if you have clamp fittings this would not be an issue.

Many people in the industry use compression fittings, This is not a bad thing unless you are negligent on your maintenance and it expands and starts to leak DOH. Reason why i know this you ask? You guessed it happened to me and not fun.

Copper not only looks awesome but it is a guarantee longevity of your investment.

Copper plated cooling is around double the cost for normal water cooling.

What maintenance do you do with water cooling?
post #5 of 8
I dont know what type of tubing / compressiong fittings this guy used.. but I never heard of this problem :S I finger tightened my fittings and checked up on them after my first coolant replacement and no sign of any degradation of the tubes or any of my fittings hold on the tube.
But I guess after 5-10 years, the copper plated version would be in better shape then the normal tubes.. but would cost like 5-10 dollars to replace the normal tubes in the entire system, should it ever be needed.

basically, you just have to replace the coolant once every 6-12 months (or at any sign of particles forming in the water)
would be the same for both systems..

*edit*

oh yea, and remove dust from radiators every now and then.. also same for both systems ;D
 
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I dont know what type of tubing / compressiong fittings this guy used.. but I never heard of this problem :S I finger tightened my fittings and checked up on them after my first coolant replacement and no sign of any degradation of the tubes or any of my fittings hold on the tube.
But I guess after 5-10 years, the copper plated version would be in better shape then the normal tubes.. but would cost like 5-10 dollars to replace the normal tubes in the entire system, should it ever be needed.

basically, you just have to replace the coolant once every 6-12 months (or at any sign of particles forming in the water)
would be the same for both systems..

*edit*

oh yea, and remove dust from radiators every now and then.. also same for both systems ;D

So you are saying that there is no real advantage with copper?
Okey, how do you replace coolant ?
post #7 of 8
If your fittings leak between tubing and fitting, you failed to tighten properly to begin with....period.

Been water cooling for 10 years, many builds, and never once retightened a compression fitting, in fact not possible to do so if properly tightened to begin with, and never saw a leak and never will. If you use proper tubing, like 3/8 5/8 or 1/2 3/4, and for example bitspower compression fittings and tighten all way down, you wont/cant retighten.

Not to mention the utter nonsense about heat issues causing tubing expansion at water temps we see. We put tubing in boiling water to try and get it to barely expand enough to go over larger barbs. And someone thinks that water temp of 30c vs ambient temp of 22C is going to cause significant expansion.

What happens is the compression edge crimps down on the tubing and over time leaves a permanent crimp, ie some tubing is permanently compressed to some degree. If you tightened only part way down, it will become loose over time, heat or no heat, and that is user error. If tighten all way down or enough to account for such, like specs call for, no chance of that happening as tubing elasticity/compression has a spec that is accounted for.


The difference in using copper piping vs tubing is COST and EASE OF USE, but really nickle plated copper is about BLING not functionality. Tubing is cheap and easy, and like previous said, also easy/cheap to replace. Copper tubing will be more expensive, and a lot more work...not to mention bending it incorrectly so doesnt fit, having to discard and redo, which will happen, just like with tubing, ie some waste inevitable. And whenever you upgrade you will be screwed using pipe, as bends likely to no longer be correct.

EDIT: I just saw you linked to digitalstorm...if you are having someone else build it for you, then basically the only difference is you are paying more for aesthetics with copper tubing...bottom line. Though any company that states they get leaks over time when using compression fittings, would not be building any computer I use...though that was likely just marketing hype.
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So you are saying that there is no real advantage with copper?
Okey, how do you replace coolant ?

not that I know of.. but this is just my opinion..

well.. tongue.gif it depends on the system.. you need to disconnect one of the tubes and bleed out the whole system.. if the water looks good, then go ahead and reconnect the tube and refill coolant:
distilled water + adjectives or silver kill coil.
I recommend not using dyes since I hear a lot about ppl getting particles / goo in their system with cheap dye.. there is probably some good dyes that dosnt do this, but I just steered clear of it and went with colored tubing instead (with copper plated, this wouldnt be a problem tongue.gif)

there are many guides / youtube videos showing how to clean / refill your W/C system smile.gif
 
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