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First of all, hi biggrin.gif

My friend's brother need a new computer for is job. My friend have told him that I build pc as hobby. So he he ask me if I can build him a computer for his work. No problem I said without thinking further. Now, I have to give him an approximation of what I can do.

This is what he have tell : "I don't really have a budget, I don't really know what program he is using. Maybe something like AutoCAD and SolidWorks."

I ask him about the budget and he reply by something like my brother don't really have a budget, he just need something that is price right for the power of the computer. Well, that make sense, that is why i'm building the computer.

Finally, I went on the internet to make an approximation that look fine for his need. I don't really know alot about professional GPU but I think he need an AMD card because of the program he is using.

This is what I have in mind for his computer :

CPU
i7-3930k

Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-X79-UP4

GPU
AMD 100-505634 FirePro W7000 4GB

RAM
2x G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 1600 CL9

Case
Fractal Design Define R4

PSU
Rosewill CAPSTONE-650-M

HDD/SSD
Western Digital Red WD30EFRX 3TB
SAMSUNG 840 Series MZ-7TD250BW

CPU cooler
Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK

I want you opinion on this build. Keep in mine that they will have no overclocking (I dont think, since he need a completely stable build. no risk of loosing hour of work or getting thing corrupted)
The total is 2663$CAD with tax and shipping FYI.

Thanks smile.gif
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The last time i checked, Nvidia gpu's were better with AutoCad although this could have changed.
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Im a drafter with 5 years experience

Autodesk used Cuda in their products, so Nvidia cards with their Cuda cores have an avantage with AutoCAD and Inventor. Solidworks uses the generic OpenCL, so Firepro card which tend to have better hardware compared to same priced Quattros, have the advantage. But generally Nvidia is better, they just cost more.

Everything Ive read has suggested that CAD programs really only run single threaded, and dont see much advantage to CPUs with more then 4 cores. The biggest drain is when you open a model that contains multiple parts, but the program can realy only load one part at a time. More cores definately helps with rendering, but drafters rarely use anything but the most simplest of renders.

As to what your friend needs it entire depends on how complex the models hes working on are. I've done half of my 3d drafting on a dual core, 4 gigs of ram, 9600gt equipt computer. Not as nice as the powerhouse computers, but it could still do 80% of the work they could. It was only when opening up a large assembly that it would fall down

As for your build...


It's a solid build and your friend wont be dissapointed with it.


I think a 3930k is overkill. I think a Haswell with faster single thread performance is better. + there are some nice Z77 boards. Save some money. Even get a 4770k which would still give you 8 threads, and put the money towards a SSD. 16 Gigs of RAM is plenty, there isnt really a need for a X79 build capable of 64.

Solid state drives are a massive help. If he can keep his model files on them it will be a noticeable improvement. I would ditch the 3 terrabyte WD Red, you dont need that much space for current jobs, and everything should be backed up onto a server anyway. Ditch it and get a SSD.

Heres a review on graphics cards
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493.html

If any body disputes any of this please chime in. I'm currently in the same situation as OPs friends and any additional information is greatly accepted.

Edit
A source on the single thread nature of CAD
https://forum.solidworks.com/message/327779
https://forum.solidworks.com/thread/65737
Edited by boostdq - 8/12/13 at 7:20pm
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Im a drafter with 5 years experience

Autodesk used Cuda in their products, so Nvidia cards with their Cuda cores have an avantage with AutoCAD and Inventor. Solidworks uses the generic OpenCL, so Firepro card which tend to have better hardware compared to same priced Quattros, have the advantage. But generally Nvidia is better, they just cost more.

Everything Ive read has suggested that CAD programs really only run single threaded, and dont see much advantage to CPUs with more then 4 cores. The biggest drain is when you open a model that contains multiple parts, but the program can realy only load one part at a time. More cores definately helps with rendering, but drafters rarely use anything but the most simplest of renders.

As to what your friend needs it entire depends on how complex the models hes working on are. I've done half of my 3d drafting on a dual core, 4 gigs of ram, 9600gt equipt computer. Not as nice as the powerhouse computers, but it could still do 80% of the work they could. It was only when opening up a large assembly that it would fall down

As for your build...


It's a solid build and your friend wont be dissapointed with it.


I think a 3930k is overkill. I think a Haswell with faster single thread performance is better. + there are some nice Z77 boards. Save some money. Even get a 4770k which would still give you 8 threads, and put the money towards a SSD. 16 Gigs of RAM is plenty, there isnt really a need for a X79 build capable of 64.

Solid state drives are a massive help. If he can keep his model files on them it will be a noticeable improvement. I would ditch the 3 terrabyte WD Red, you dont need that much space for current jobs, and everything should be backed up onto a server anyway. Ditch it and get a SSD.

Heres a review on graphics cards
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-workstation-graphics-card,3493.html

If any body disputes any of this please chime in. I'm currently in the same situation as OPs friends and any additional information is greatly accepted.

Edit
A source on the single thread nature of CAD
https://forum.solidworks.com/message/327779
https://forum.solidworks.com/thread/65737

Thanks, that was the anwsers I wanted. I will make some correction and I will post the modification on this post later.

Edit : If I go with a 4770k and a gtx780, I can go wrong after reading the review. Am I right?
Edited by Lee17 - 8/12/13 at 8:00pm
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One page 9 of that graphics card review

"SolidWorks 2013 is limited to workstation-class graphics cards. Unfortunately, the drivers we're using won't install on gaming boards, so we cannot include them. Additionally, if the software is run with non-certified drivers, there's supposed to be a quantifiable performance hit."

If this computer is strictly for work its better to stick to a workstation card
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One page 9 of that graphics card review

"SolidWorks 2013 is limited to workstation-class graphics cards. Unfortunately, the drivers we're using won't install on gaming boards, so we cannot include them. Additionally, if the software is run with non-certified drivers, there's supposed to be a quantifiable performance hit."

If this computer is strictly for work its better to stick to a workstation card

I will ask him what are the program he will be using because my friend didn't look to be sure at 100% and I know the importance of program vs GPU brand/type.

I will be back when I have the answers. Thanks again
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Ok, I talk to him yesterday and ask about 2 important thing :

1 - How much money are you ready to spend for your computer
2 - What program the computer need to run

And this is the answers I got :

1 - Around 2000$CAD
2 - 3DMax, zBrush, Maya and other program for my future job.

Why he is using these program : He do 3D as a professional career but since it work by contract, he want an other job, sod here is the industrial designer. I figure out that the 3D program will be more heavy on the system then the other one.

Finally, here is what I think isn't bad for him :

Build A :
Intel i7 4770k
Asus Z87-A

or

Build B :
Intel i7 3930k
Asrock X79 extreme6

both with :
GPU : Nvidia K4000
Case : Fractal Design R4
Ram : GSkill Ripjaws 2x8gb 2400 Cl11
HDD : WD 2TB Red
PSU : Rosewill Capstone 650W
CPU cooler : Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK

Build A for around 2100$CAD ship
Build B for around 2400$CAD ship

Now, the question!!!

Question 1 :
Is it worth going for the build B or it isn't a big difference in rendering between the 4770k and the 3930k?

Question 2 :
Did the Nvidia k4000 worth the extra money over the old model, the Quadro 4000 (750$ vs 900$).

Question 3 :
What is the power consumption of these professional GPU, can I cut the PSU to 550W?

If the build B is better and worth its price, he will need to wait to get enough spare money. He might be able to way enough to get a Haswell LGA2011 CPU.

Thanks all, I should have ask these question first.
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Well a Tesla GPU would be good but I doubt you could fin one in that budget.
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Well a Tesla GPU would be good but I doubt you could fin one in that budget.

The only one I could find one the 'egg is the total price of the computer! I have to make something that is balance and can possibly be upgraded if needed (like if he need more ram, he will be able to buy some and stick them in and if he need more speed/space, new SSD/HDD can be bought)
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Ok, I talk to him yesterday and ask about 2 important thing :

1 - How much money are you ready to spend for your computer
2 - What program the computer need to run

And this is the answers I got :

1 - Around 2000$CAD
2 - 3DMax, zBrush, Maya and other program for my future job.

Why he is using these program : He do 3D as a professional career but since it work by contract, he want an other job, sod here is the industrial designer. I figure out that the 3D program will be more heavy on the system then the other one.

Finally, here is what I think isn't bad for him :

Build A :
Intel i7 4770k
Asus Z87-A

or

Build B :
Intel i7 3930k
Asrock X79 extreme6

both with :
GPU : Nvidia K4000
Case : Fractal Design R4
Ram : GSkill Ripjaws 2x8gb 2400 Cl11
HDD : WD 2TB Red
PSU : Rosewill Capstone 650W
CPU cooler : Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK

Build A for around 2100$CAD ship
Build B for around 2400$CAD ship

Now, the question!!!

Question 1 :
Is it worth going for the build B or it isn't a big difference in rendering between the 4770k and the 3930k?

Question 2 :
Did the Nvidia k4000 worth the extra money over the old model, the Quadro 4000 (750$ vs 900$).

Question 3 :
What is the power consumption of these professional GPU, can I cut the PSU to 550W?

If the build B is better and worth its price, he will need to wait to get enough spare money. He might be able to way enough to get a Haswell LGA2011 CPU.

Thanks all, I should have ask these question first.

go with A but i would recommend a WD Black over the WD Red or even a WD VelociRaptor or Seagate Constellation the WD Reds are more for Nas systems and are not designed for performace so you would take a major hit in performance using a red for editing and such
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