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you have to remember the Titan is the true successor to GTX 570 and the fully enabled GK110 which is yet to ship in Geforce form but has started shipping as Quadro K6000 is the true successor to GTX 580.
Kind of. The 570 also had its VRAM and bandwidth limited and was on average 15% behind a stock 580. The only difference between a Titan and a full GK110 die however is 1 SMX cluster, which would likely net ~5% performance, if that.

The Titan doesn't really have a directly analogous predecessor. Architecturally it would be closest to the 480 but without the huge power/heat issues. At the same time though, this generation the 680/770 which would be the physical successor to the 560 Ti has performed in line with AMD's highest end offerings. So, I wouldn't take them matching the Titan for granted.
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4700 with an overclocked 7970 in firestrike extreme. What? You sure about that? Extreme is the 1440p preset and I highly doubt a 7970 would score that high - That is higher than most 780s and Titans score, is your 7970 faster than a Titan?

Titan at stock - yes it can be OCed for a higher score:

Usually the end user can end up getting better numbers than the reviews do So I can see him beating the review score for Titan.

But my 7970 @ 1285 MHz didn't catch my Titan stock in any 3dmark tests, Metro 2033, Heaven, Valley etc. Made it close but then with an OC on Titan, the gap widens even further than stock.

I'm hoping AMD comes up big here and forces NV to drop prices. I'm kind of doubtful though.
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At the same time though, this generation the 680/770 which would be the physical successor to the 560 Ti has performed in line with AMD's highest end offerings. So, I wouldn't take them matching the Titan for granted.

thats a reminder to AMD to improve efficiency and up the game otherwise their torrid time is going to get worse. GPU division just breaking even in Q2 2013 is not good for AMD. this includes licensing revenue from Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii U. so actually their GPU division is making a loss. biggrin.gif
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post #124 of 496
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you have to remember the Titan is the true successor to GTX 570 and the fully enabled GK110 which is yet to ship in Geforce form but has started shipping as Quadro K6000 is the true successor to GTX 580.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro-desktop-gpus-specs.html

so HD 9970 matching Titan is just keeping up with historical trends.

except that again, GK110 is the first released big kepler chip. And just like GF100 it has a disabled part in it. Also it's important to note that GK110 is bigger than fermi, so cut off portions are more likely.

And more importantly it (the GK110 in the Titan) has all the rops, full memory bus, full amount of memory etc unlike the 570. And it's also not a downclocked model like the 570.

Enabling that final SMX would give at max a 5% performance boost. Likely less. Difference between the 580 and the 570 was much more than that.

Would a 6970 beat a GTX 480 (1 cluster disabled but all memory bus intact and all rops there) at 772MHz? No it wouldn't.

And again that's of course not taking into account the fact that Nvidia did make a bigger leap this generation and that Fermi was quite a fail. The leap from Fermi to Kepler is extremely big when you look at the history of GPUs.
 
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Usually the end user can end up getting better numbers than the reviews do So I can see him beating the review score for Titan.

But my 7970 @ 1285 MHz didn't catch my Titan stock in any 3dmark tests, Metro 2033, Heaven, Valley etc. Made it close but then with an OC on Titan, the gap widens even further than stock.

I'm hoping AMD comes up big here and forces NV to drop prices. I'm kind of doubtful though.

I think they will match a 780. However, I am concerned with them setting clocks accordingly and not having much OC room left.
post #126 of 496
Everything above $500 or $540 is too much in my opinion. I mean, a graphics subsystem should not exceed the cost of CPU+RAM+Board. OK, if you did get a $1000 CPU+RAM+Board combo then fine, go ahead.

The reasoning is this: TSMC fails to be as good as Intel. Why should I pay for that failure? Screw it. I'll bear 10FPS less and I'll be happy I don't support sub-par technology.

And before anyone says "CPUs don't bottleneck nowadays" think again: If you had a crappy AMD CPU, it would bottleneck.
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post #127 of 496
so saying 549 us in australian money it will 600 dollars in australia biggrin.gif

or 655 dollars in australian money
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This may be a unique incidence that a good driver (team) causing next gen to be cheaper. Because 7990 is performing better (not particularly faster) the price of the next gen is gonna be between 7970 and 7990 just like its performance biggrin.gif noone would buy if 9970 is more expensive than 7990.
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except that again, GK110 is the first released big kepler chip.

it sure as hell is the last 28nm big die from Nvidia. the 2880 sp assuming it launches in Oct / Nov has around 9 months of shelf life before its replaced by GM104 aka GTX 880 by July 2014.
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And again that's of course not taking into account the fact that Nvidia did make a bigger leap this generation and that Fermi was quite a fail. The leap from Fermi to Kepler is extremely big when you look at the history of GPUs.

perf / sqmm for all accounts on GCN vs Kepler is very close. Pitcairn in fact edging out GK106. Bonaire also is similarly very efficient. Hawaii will reinstate that at the high end matching or exceeding GK110 in perf / sq mm.
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post #130 of 496
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perf / sqmm for all accounts on GCN vs Kepler is very close. Pitcairn in fact edging out GK106. Bonaire also is similarly very efficient.

Yes they're close (at least in the lower end cards, high end GK110 is atm much, much more efficient than Tahiti despite being bigger an GK104 is also more efficient) but that's the whole point. During the Fermi era that was definitely not the case. NV made a bigger jump, so direct comparisons to Fermi are pretty bad.

A 6970 of this generation would not match a 570 of this gen due to NV's bigger jump. And of course the Titan can't be compared to the 570 for the reasons stated previously in this thread.
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Hawaii will reinstate that at the high end matching or exceeding GK110 in perf / sq mm.

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They've got work to do. Especially when it comes to perf/watt



Also I'll assume you agree with my other points in my previous post since you didn't reply to them.
 
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