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Calm down, it'll likely just be like borderlands PhysX where you can run it on AMD GPUs but it will run worse than on a NVIDIA GPU. Unless I missed it, no where did they say it would require an NVIDIA GPU.

It looks like TW3 will be NVIDIA optimized though, so there's that.. but there's hundreds of AMD optimized games too. *Cough* Tomb Raider.

The effects shown in the video are GPU only effects. I'm sure they can be enabled to work on the CPU but it will run horribly as they were designed specifically for GPU.
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I see what you mean, but you have to realize that the Havok physics engine is actually quite lackluster compared to PhysX. So that's not an option. Same with all of the other open source physics engines. Yeah, I wish PhysX wasn't Nvidia only, but if you want to see this sort of stuff implemented in an open sourced physic engine, then those said devs need to kick it up into high gear to match PhysX.

Havok might be TECHNICALLY lackluster compared to Physx but at the same time I doubt either one of us knows for sure. The PS4 announcement showed Havok calculating ONE MILLION objects using GPU computing. Also, I've yet to see anything GPU Physx wise that couldn't be done on the CPU. Borderlands 2? I'd like to know exactly how a CPU COULDN'T handle that...I mean, it's a few particles and what not. Even the cloth could easily be done on the CPU as well as the fluid physics (considering the fluid was made up of like 50 particles...looked like thick snot that disappeared 2 seconds afterwards).

Either way I get what you're saying but I still think Physx wasn't the way to go. Havok, for example, offers just as much help on the technical side as Nvidia does. I can't remember who it was but one dev that used Havok said that the people that were sent over from Havok worked so hard and so long that they actually felt like part of the crew. So to me it isn't about Nvidia being more HELPFUL it's about the fact that Nvidia doesn't charge anything and actually PAYS dev's to use Physx exclusively.

Hence why I said I'm not so much mad at Nvidia as I am CDPR. CDPR should have been looking to push things forwards for all...not take hand outs and single out 50% or more of their market.
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Okay I cannot find where I read it but I recall an article that said NVidia was misrepresenting a lot of stuff with Witcher 3. Evidently a lot of this stuff is supposed to be OpenCL. Could be wrong, I have looked and cannot find the article.
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How the hell did Nvidia shoehorn their way into next-gen games? Shouldn't CD Projekt RED be using CPU computing or OpenCL or something?

Seems to me since Nvidia couldn't get their hand in the consoles hardware wise then their next option would be to create a divide among PC gamers. Mad at Nvidia but more disappointed at CDPR. Not only are they using a closed source, manufacturer specific physics engine but they are holding technology like this back.

So yeah...no physics like this on next-gen consoles or everyone who uses Intel and AMD graphic solutions.

Hardware GPU Physx for Nvidia ONLY needs to die. If you aren't using open source or something that will work on all platforms (like Havok) then you're an a$$. I hope Nvidia payed CDPR enough to make it worth it.

So Nvidia uses their money to create a physics engine as a perk for their graphics cards to make them better, and you get mad? You should be mad at AMD for not pushing their own physics engine.

I paid for that physx feature. Why shouldn't I get to use it?
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So Nvidia uses their money to create a physics engine as a perk for their graphics cards to make them better, and you get mad? You should be mad at AMD for not pushing their own physics engine.

I paid for that physx feature. Why shouldn't I get to use it?

As I said I'm more ticked off at CDPR for doing this. Nvidia can do as the please but, I don't know, I just thought CDPR was better than this. They were supposed to be the champion dev for all PC gamers...not just Nvidia gamers.
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How the hell did Nvidia shoehorn their way into next-gen games? Shouldn't CD Projekt RED be using CPU computing or OpenCL or something?

Seems to me since Nvidia couldn't get their hand in the consoles hardware wise then their next option would be to create a divide among PC gamers. Mad at Nvidia but more disappointed at CDPR. Not only are they using a closed source, manufacturer specific physics engine but they are holding technology like this back.

So yeah...no physics like this on next-gen consoles or everyone who uses Intel and AMD graphic solutions.

Hardware GPU Physx for Nvidia ONLY needs to die. If you aren't using open source or something that will work on all platforms (like Havok) then you're an a$$. I hope Nvidia payed CDPR enough to make it worth it.
This x 100, but for Nvidia users. Enjoy. thumb.gif Nothing like extra features

On a side note: The Witcher 3 will still be awesome for us AMD users.
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So Nvidia uses their money to create a physics engine as a perk for their graphics cards to make them better, and you get mad? You should be mad at AMD for not pushing their own physics engine.

I paid for that physx feature. Why shouldn't I get to use it?

I would be mad if they did, It's silly to divide the user base. From a consumer standpoint you should actually want everyone to adopt OpenCL instead, then you could have all the gimmicky PhysX effects without paying the price premium.
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Hair physics is cool and all, but they really need to tone down the liveliness of it.

NO ONE has hair that perfectly silky, light, and responsive, with completely independent hair strands. Either increase the weight of the hair strands, increase their stiffness, or increase their likeliness to stick together.

I had to turn TressFX off in Tomb Raider because it was distracting to see Lara covered in blood, mud, and goop, while her hair frolicked playfully around her shoulders like a shampoo commercial.
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I would be mad if they did, It's silly to divide the user base. From a consumer standpoint you should actually want everyone to adopt OpenCL instead, then you could have all the gimmicky PhysX effects without paying the price premium.

Not only that but then physics could actually be used for game play instead of just effects. As it stands now Physx will NEVER be used for actual game play mechanics as it means only Nvidia users could play the game.

That's why I said Physx only holds gaming and technology back in general. Sure it might have some pretty effects for said users but it will never go anywhere like open standards can.
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I see what you mean, but you have to realize that the Havok physics engine is actually quite lackluster compared to PhysX. So that's not an option. Same with all of the other open source physics engines. Yeah, I wish PhysX wasn't Nvidia only, but if you want to see this sort of stuff implemented in an open sourced physic engine, then those said devs need to kick it up into high gear to match PhysX.

This^

PhysX is great compared to software physics. That is why I am and will be bias to Nvidia gpu's right now. Borderlands 2 is my favorite game and playing it without PhysX is a no go for me.
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I would be mad if they did, It's silly to divide the user base. From a consumer standpoint you should actually want everyone to adopt OpenCL instead, then you could have all the gimmicky PhysX effects without paying the price premium.

Indeed. I could understand how they (Nvidia) would want it to be exclusive as it certainly helps sell their hardware... but from everyone else's stand-point, just like you said, it divides the user-base and also makes it so they can charge a premium for such things... I was really hoping AMD being in all the next-gen consoles was going to be a good push of using open-standards so everybody can enjoy games equally and even the playing field a bit. It may still, but I just hope that their involvement in the consoles doesn't mean that Nvidia is going to push even harder to make PC releases part of the The Way it's Meant to be Played program.
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