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Hello everyone.

Currently have a very old Lian-Li PC-60 and I want to move towards more passive cooling with lots of low speed large fans. So, I'm interested in looking into a Merlin SM8.
I don't really have any plans to watercool, but what I do is keep my cases for a very long time. This PC-60 has been with me since 2001 and has seen a lot of mainboards. :-)

I want to cool the components using a "Chimney" methodology. I'd want the airflow to move strictly from bottom to top, front to back. Kind of like my old Lian-Li....

My thought was, 4 x 120 mm fans on the bottom, 3 x 120 mm on the top with a PSU at the top, (Assuming it'll fit!) drawing air up and out the back.
The PCI backplate would have the 40 mm fan but would be the hex mesh, although I'm considering the fan hole option instead.

There would be one drive cage at the very bottom with fan (MAC-102) so that the hard drives could run cool and a fan mount (MAC-377) above it to encourage front to back airflow. (I know the case has HDD mounts for 2 3.5" HDD's and 2 2.5" SSD's, but I'm concerned about airflow.)

I have a few questions before I consider buying this case.. I'd like to apologize since I have so many, but this is an expensive decision!

1. Will this case work well with a passive CPU heatsink like the Nofan CR-95C and a passive GPU cooler the Arctic Accelero S1 PLUS using this setup?
2. Do I need to purchase Hex Mesh fan hole covers (Or Wire Guards) for the bottom plate so that debris won't damage the fans? I'd rather not use filters.
3. Will Caselabs Hex Mesh fan hole covers work with the bottom 120 mm radiator mount and 120 mm x 36 mm fans? (Or should I use Wire Guards instead?)
4. If I were to consider buying the fan hole rear PCI backplate with fan holes instead of Hex Mesh, do you sell painted, pre-drilled and threaded blanking plates for the tiny fan holes?
5. What kind of airflow should I expect through the cable side of the case with this setup using a ventilated door? Will it be enough to keep two 7200 RPM hard drives and an SSD cool? Or should I just consider using a drive cage w/ fan?
6. With this setup, is it recommended to purchase a MAC-124 (SSD Mounting Kit) for the drive cage to keep the SSD cool or should I just use the SSD mount on the cable side?

The Flex bay setup would be:
MAC-158 5.25" Short Device Mount (LCD Display)
MAC-158 5.25" Short Device Mount (Fan Controller made by company starting with "Sy")
MAC-126 5.25" Anti-Vibration Device Mount (Blu-Ray Drive)
MAC-126 5.25" Anti-Vibration Device Mount (Cheap DVD drive)
MAC-151 3.5" Device Bay Adapter (One of those 4 million in one card reader thingies)
MAC-377 Fan Mount (To encourage front to back air movement)
MAC-102 with MAC-124 (To encourage front to back air movement and for hard drive and SSD cooling)

I won't mention other components for fear of violating forum rules, but to analyze heat load, I'll be running stock speeds on everything with no overclocked components.
Let's just say that I'll be using lots of top end Socket 1150 components and lots of RAM.

Your help is highly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Qualin View Post

Hello everyone.

Currently have a very old Lian-Li PC-60 and I want to move towards more passive cooling with lots of low speed large fans. So, I'm interested in looking into a Merlin SM8.
I don't really have any plans to watercool, but what I do is keep my cases for a very long time. This PC-60 has been with me since 2001 and has seen a lot of mainboards. :-)

I want to cool the components using a "Chimney" methodology. I'd want the airflow to move strictly from bottom to top, front to back. Kind of like my old Lian-Li....

My thought was, 4 x 120 mm fans on the bottom, 3 x 120 mm on the top with a PSU at the top, (Assuming it'll fit!) drawing air up and out the back.
The PCI backplate would have the 40 mm fan but would be the hex mesh, although I'm considering the fan hole option instead.

There would be one drive cage at the very bottom with fan (MAC-102) so that the hard drives could run cool and a fan mount (MAC-377) above it to encourage front to back airflow. (I know the case has HDD mounts for 2 3.5" HDD's and 2 2.5" SSD's, but I'm concerned about airflow.)

I have a few questions before I consider buying this case.. I'd like to apologize since I have so many, but this is an expensive decision!

1. Will this case work well with a passive CPU heatsink like the Nofan CR-95C and a passive GPU cooler the Arctic Accelero S1 PLUS using this setup?
2. Do I need to purchase Hex Mesh fan hole covers (Or Wire Guards) for the bottom plate so that debris won't damage the fans? I'd rather not use filters.
3. Will Caselabs Hex Mesh fan hole covers work with the bottom 120 mm radiator mount and 120 mm x 36 mm fans? (Or should I use Wire Guards instead?)
4. If I were to consider buying the fan hole rear PCI backplate with fan holes instead of Hex Mesh, do you sell painted, pre-drilled and threaded blanking plates for the tiny fan holes?
5. What kind of airflow should I expect through the cable side of the case with this setup using a ventilated door? Will it be enough to keep two 7200 RPM hard drives and an SSD cool? Or should I just consider using a drive cage w/ fan?
6. With this setup, is it recommended to purchase a MAC-124 (SSD Mounting Kit) for the drive cage to keep the SSD cool or should I just use the SSD mount on the cable side?

The Flex bay setup would be:
MAC-158 5.25" Short Device Mount (LCD Display)
MAC-158 5.25" Short Device Mount (Fan Controller made by company starting with "Sy")
MAC-126 5.25" Anti-Vibration Device Mount (Blu-Ray Drive)
MAC-126 5.25" Anti-Vibration Device Mount (Cheap DVD drive)
MAC-151 3.5" Device Bay Adapter (One of those 4 million in one card reader thingies)
MAC-377 Fan Mount (To encourage front to back air movement)
MAC-102 with MAC-124 (To encourage front to back air movement and for hard drive and SSD cooling)

I won't mention other components for fear of violating forum rules, but to analyze heat load, I'll be running stock speeds on everything with no overclocked components.
Let's just say that I'll be using lots of top end Socket 1150 components and lots of RAM.

Your help is highly appreciated.

Let me start by saying... Welcome to OCN!!! cheers.gif

Now down to your questions:

(1) The MAC-377 is intended for 38mm fans while the MAC-113 is for 25mm fans (and matches the mount on the MAC-102 assembly). I can't see any reason why passive coolers wouldn't work as long as they have good air flow around them and your plan allows for that.

(2) If you don't intend to use filters. then yes, wire guards woudl be a good idea.

(3) The hex mesh covers are not meant to be used with fans - they simply block off the fan hole opening.

(4) We have a cover plate for all the 40mm fan holes, but not individual ones (that's not a bad idea though smile.gif )

(5) The ventilated cable door allows for convection cooling which is fine for the majority of users, but if you needs are disk intensive (video editing for example), then drive cages with forced air cooling would be a better choice.

(6) The SSD's should be fine on the cable side. The mount allows for an air space between them, so they should stay cool enough.

Thanks smile.gif
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Thank you for the prompt response!

OK, This leads to a few more questions..

1. Is there an equivalent to the MAC-102 which can fit a 120 mm x 38 mm fan instead?
2. What is the model name for the 40 mm blanking plate? I can't find it on your site.(Sorry!)
3. What size is the fan hole above the Motherboard backplate? (Next to the 40 mm fan holes) It looks like a 120 mm, but I'd like to be sure.

That's pretty much it for now.. Once again, thank you very much for the information!
Thanks for welcoming me!
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Maybe it isn't implied, but I get the feeling that the Fan hole PCI backplate already comes with blanking plates installed so I don't need to order one?

Sorry, I wrote my last post quite early in the morning and didn't think to look at other case builds with the fan hole PCI backplate.
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Thank you for the prompt response!

OK, This leads to a few more questions..

1. Is there an equivalent to the MAC-102 which can fit a 120 mm x 38 mm fan instead?
2. What is the model name for the 40 mm blanking plate? I can't find it on your site.(Sorry!)
3. What size is the fan hole above the Motherboard backplate? (Next to the 40 mm fan holes) It looks like a 120 mm, but I'd like to be sure.

That's pretty much it for now.. Once again, thank you very much for the information!
Thanks for welcoming me!

(1) Not yet, but I'm going to have Kevin add it so it will probably be available later today or tomorrow.

(2) It comes with the case (not sold on the site separately). I should point out that it covers all the 40mm fan holes, not each one individually.

(3) It is 120mm.

No problem wink.gif
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1. Is there an equivalent to the MAC-102 which can fit a 120 mm x 38 mm fan instead?

It has just been added biggrin.gif
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