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The Search for a Perfect Fingertip Mouse (Starring Razer Orochi & Roccat Pyra & Logitech G5)

post #1 of 4
Thread Starter 
Hey, long-time lurker here finally stumped on a fingertip grip mouse that will make me happy. Being over $100 into mice already this year, I just want something that works and don't mind if I have to pay through the nose to get the features I want. I use the computer 10+ hours a day and use the fingertip for everything from web browsing to shooting zombies in the face. My hand is about 7.5 inches long, with 4 inch fingers. Skinny though.

1. What's your grip style?
High-arch fingertip, using four fingers for movement (as opposed to just pinky and thumb or all five) and occasionally pulling in to claw to control movements more. Middle finger on the wheel at all times, not multitasking between right click and the wheel as I've seen some people do.

2. What's your sensitivity?
Usually as high as it goes with OS sensitivity at default and acceleration disabled.

3. What's your maximum budget?
For the right mouse, I would pay above $100. I'm that sick of having to deal with non-optimal solutions.

4. Do you want additional buttons?
I need forward/back buttons and prefer to have sensitivity buttons readily available but not in the line of fire.

5. What games do you play?
Basically everything but RTS and anything with a forced follow cam.

6. Do you mind about prediction?
I prefer to have none, but a small amount doesn't bother me all that much.

7. Other relevant information:
I've used a first-generation Logitech G5 since they came out, but the scroll wheel has a tendency to stop working whenever I go on trips with it and then start up again randomly after I use it for a few months. I've replaced the pads with Hyperglides once. I just bought a Razer Orochi and Roccat Pyra, but neither feel quite right. The G5 wasn't perfect by any means, but the scroll wheel being so far back on the body made it alright, though click sensitivity suffered being so far back on the buttons. My first impressions of the new mice are:

The Orochi's sensor is further back compared to my fingers than on the G5, so I have to put the sensitivity higher to get similar responsiveness. Now that I've used it for a few days, it's not too bad. The Pyra refused to track on my Razer Vespula pad, but worked fine on a generic cloth pad I have. I assume this is the optical sensor at work. Comparing the three sensors, the Orochi seems to be the most accurate, with the G5 second and Pyra a close third. I can get exactly the spot I want with the Orochi, but the G5 and Pyra tend to skip pixels when I have their sensitivity up.

The body of the G5 is too long, but the raw plastic finish I gave it with a polishing wheel feels the best of the top surfaces. The thumb button (only one since it's first generation) has a nice feel to it, but the sunken spot underneath tries to suck your hand down into the palm grip. The Orochi's textured grip is fine for the buttons, but I don't really like it on the main body. The lack of it on the side buttons makes using those more difficult. The buttons are also a little small and could do with a gap or doming, as it's difficult to get the correct one with your pinky. The concave main buttons also pull my top fingers next to each other when I would prefer to have more space between them. Elevating my wrist with a pad makes using the mouse almost painful, so I'm not using the Vespula right now. Just like the G5, this seems to be because the mouse was built for people with tiny hands who will be using the palm grip.

The Pyra actually feels almost perfect (just not quite enough width), and the rubberized grips under the side buttons are great, but the side buttons themselves are too smooth and have a cheap feel. Actually, all of the buttons feel a bit cheap, and the scroll wheel is hard to click without rolling. The pads are tiny and give almost zero clearance to the pad, so debris on the hard pad was as much an issue as the intermittent tracking. The ID sticker underneath seems like it will eventually start peeling like it did on the G5. The cord is sticky and came bent down toward the pad a bit, catching and reducing smoothness. It's also a nice, light weight, even compared to the G5 without weights and the Orochi without batteries.

If I can configure the mouse once and uninstall the drivers, that would be nice.

I'd prefer a wired solution, but I will accept a wireless mouse if it has a charging station and low latency.

Smooth-scrolling wheel (as opposed to clicking for each scroll action) is preferred, but not necessary, as that's usually a quick hack to disable.

I was considering getting a G9 with a wide body attachment, but I hear those aren't so good for side buttons. I've also considered a RAT despite the weight because of the customizability, but I don't know that I could get it to do as cartoonish a pose as I would prefer. I briefly considered and dismissed Corsair's M60, with the gimmicky "sniper button" scaring me away (not that it isn't a good idea in theory, but I'm leery of something when marketing tries to push it so hard).

I'm also interested in a pad since the Vespula's smooth side is still much rougher than I'd like. I'm considering buying a sheet of smooth teflon and calling that good, but if anyone has suggestions, they are welcome.

1. Hard or cloth?
Either way. I like the advantages of each in some ways.

2. Rough or smooth?
As slippery as possible.

3. Which size approximately?
Judging by the wear marks on my current pad, I rarely exited a 150mm square with my G5. I assume that this means I can go with the smallest sizes available.

4. What's your maximum budget?
Maybe $80 if it has some sort of superpower.
post #2 of 4
From what I could gather, you're most comfortable with the following criteria:

- small to medium size
- ambidextrous
- thumb buttons

Here are, off the top of my head, the best performers in that category:

- Zowie AM (optical, 2300 CPI, / \ shape)
- Zowie FK (optical, 2300 CPI, \ / shape)
- CM Storm Recon (optical, 4000 CPI, sensitivity buttons)
- Razer Taipan (laser, 8200 CPI, slight negative acceleration)
post #3 of 4
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll definitely put the Recon and Taipan on the list. I'm not really interested in any of the Zowie mice as they all maintain too traditional a shape for my preferences.

I'll clarify exactly what I'm looking for since my original post wasn't very concise.

  • High width to length ratio, ideally over 60mm wide and under 100mm long (wider than it is long would work too)
  • Smooth roll off from the top to sides of the mouse to allow comfort with fingers coming in at a high angle and resting near side buttons
  • Scroll wheel forward, ideally smooth spinning, but more importantly able to click without scrolling
  • Accurate sensor in a forward position with high sensitivity
  • Wired is a must unless something has everything else I'm looking for


Shape-wise, the Pyra feels pretty good (not as wide as I'd like and a bit too long, but a nice smooth transition between sections and good side grip).

The G9x with the wide grip seems it might be good, and the Microsoft Wedge Touch Mouse has a shape that could work since I'm fingertip grip 99.9% of the time. Sadly it's not a gaming mouse though.
post #4 of 4
I'm going to have to go with the Team Scorpion Zealot JR. I've been extremely pleased with it.
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