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post #1071 of 19207
I know some of you are using Aphacool rads and will be stuck with only have half as many screws as you need..... they give you enough for push or pull, not push pull unless for whatever reason you need two different length screws..... using the long ones will damage the rad in most instances if you don't have a grille or something to eat up the extra 5mm depth.

No US resellers carry the screws but ya can find them at Ace hardware

A. Euro folks can but off the Alphacool web site:

http://www.alphacool.com/product_info.php/info/p1240_screw-DIN-912-M3-x-30-hexagon-socket-black-nickel--4pcs-.html

B. Those of us on the other side of the pond here in US have two choices:

a) Go online and hope we guess the right thing
b) Run down to your local Ace hardware store and ask for Ace hardware part No. 71348=H (3mm x 30mm socket head 0.5 pitch) .... $0.96 each

I bought em at Ace cause until I got there, wasn't sure of the pitch. Knowing that, bet ya can find em cheaper online.


Yep ..... ya can get 100 for half what I paid for 12 smile.gif

http://www.amazon.com/M3-0-5-30mm-Plain-Socket-Screw/dp/B009JE7X6C
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post #1072 of 19207
Alphacool gives you exactly the right number of screws you need. The shorter ones are for 25mm fans mounted directly to the rad, and the longer ones are for going through the fans and the case into the rad. Already mounted mine no problems.

That said, my monsta came with copper screws and my xt45 came with black screws. I've already bought more screws for the top fans on the monsta which is going in the bottom as I do like the look of the black better, even if the copper is a nice touch.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 11/4/13 at 6:21pm
post #1073 of 19207
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Originally Posted by jassilamba View Post

That is the key, with positive pressure chances of you getting air in from all those gaps is very low. Perfect example is the back of the case, which if you think about is all ventilated with just one fan. WIth air being blown in from all directions in the case, the rear will not suck in any dust. That is still not an excuse to not clean inside the case regularly lol.
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With all due respect, if you have a really hot VRM section or your pushing your memory sometimes it will overall serve you better to have to top rad exhaust. I know that its counter productive to your delta but sometimes it can mean a lot. When all the fans are set as intake sometimes there cannot be a proper air exchange to benefit the whole system.
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post #1074 of 19207
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Originally Posted by bigmac11 View Post

With all due respect, if you have a really hot VRM section or your pushing your memory sometimes it will overall serve you better to have to top rad exhaust. I know that its counter productive to your delta but sometimes it can mean a lot. When all the fans are set as intake sometimes there cannot be a proper air exchange to benefit the whole system.

That is a great point, and I should have added, that what I said is good for most builds, but individual builds have individual needs. In a perfect world people should adjust airflow as needed for what the application calls.

+1 for the great point mate.


Also for screws, here is the Amazon metric market place. - http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=amb_link_367518522_3?ie=UTF8&node=6185377011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=hero-quick-promo&pf_rd_r=1R8J6FRS09TA1KXMVFQ4&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=1443706522&pf_rd_i=B00AM41BAC
post #1075 of 19207
Thank you for the rep and being cool smile.gif Great looking system you put together thumb.gif
Edited by bigmac11 - 11/4/13 at 11:06pm
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post #1076 of 19207
Alright guys, I think I have determined that with an average 60mm diameter tube res and a GPU of equal or lesser length to the Asus DC II GTX 780 **WITH WATER BLOCK THAT DOESN'T ADD LENGTH TO THE CARD!** (this does not apply to stock cards with stock heat sink that adds length to the card or any water block that adds extra length), you SHOULD be able to mount the res on the bracket and still have room for a card.

I HAVE NOT tested this get, but what I have done is taken the stock air cooler off my Asus GTX 780 and taken some measurements with the res bracket in place. What I saw was that with the stock cooler off and only the PCB in place, there's 3/8" between the back of the PCB of the card and the res bracket (mind you, this is with the plastic cover off the res bracket, so this IS utilizing the "indention" or "cut-out" in the bracket that makes extra room for long GPU's). Knowing that there was 3/8" (9.5mm for you guys that use that silly metric system smile.gif ) between the card and the bracket, I then drew a center line down the middle of the bracket (vertically) and measured 30mm over (since the res is 60mm and should be centered on the bracket, so I measured 30mm from the center line), out into where the "cutout" in the bracket is, approximately where the card would be.

What I found was that the 60mm diameter res would definitely hang out into the cutout in the bracket a little bit (meaning that part of the depth of that cutout is useless since the card would hit the installed res before it hit the bracket) - BUT - it only hangs out about 1/4" (6.35mm) and therefore with the GPU and res installed on the bracket, there would be about an 1/8" of space between them. I realize that's very slim and in some cases they could pretty much be touching, or could potentially have a little more space between them. We'd just have to see. But an 1/8" is enough to make it worth trying, since most likely there will be at least 1/16" between them and you could also probably do a little shifting of the bracket and shifting of the res on it's mount to gain a tiny bit of extra room.

Obviously this will be a very tight fit, but I will be the guinea pig. I can't take any responsibility for anyone who decides to try this based on my calculations, especially since things can vary from case to case and card to card, etc. Tolerances may or may not be tight with this case. Every build is different, so some people may have more or less wiggle room between the card and res. I encourage anyone to perform their own calculations before trying this and remember that this only applies to SINGLE-GPU SETUPS. It won't work with SLI in most cases, without some modification at least.

This whole thing is dependent on a few things as well. This assumes that the reservoir mounts perfectly centered on the bracket. I don't know why that wouldn't be the case since I don't know why a res would mount offset. And the other more important thing is that this also assumes that the EK water block for the Asus GTX 780 doesn't hang past the PCB of the card at all. I think I heard that this is true, but I'm not positive.

My questions are:

-Does the EK water block for the Asus GTX 780 DC II add any extra length to the PCB, or can the length of the PCB represent the length of the overall card with the water block installed?

-Does a normal tube res mount centered on the bracket? The pre drilled holes are centered on the bracket and most res mounting clips would mount the res centered, right?

-I know there are res's with a greater diameter than 60mm, but is there such thing as a tube res that is a little more narrow, like a 55mm diameter res?

-I notice on the bracket there are rows of 3 holes. There are two outer holes that are spaced by about 71mm and one more hole centered between them. Is that standard spacing for the mounting hardware (clips) for tube res's? Or do they normally on have one hole and just use the center hole of the bracket for mounting? I assume they're standard holes on the bracket because they wouldn't have given us that many holes on the bracket if they were only there to screw on the little plastic cover plate.
post #1077 of 19207
Hellu fellas.

So im about to buy this case.
But i have a question. Does a 400mm res fit beside an 780 ref version with a push pull top and a Monsa push pull in the buttom?

The size exact size of the bracket would also be enough as an anwser. dream would be to fit an 500mm in the case but thats just o much wink.gif
post #1078 of 19207
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Originally Posted by Gunilla95 View Post

Hellu fellas.

So im about to buy this case.
But i have a question. Does a 400mm res fit beside an 780 ref version with a push pull top and a Monsa push pull in the buttom?

The size exact size of the bracket would also be enough as an anwser. dream would be to fit an 500mm in the case but thats just o much wink.gif

You didn't give a lot of details, like what rad up top? Which 400mm reservoir?


A reference 780 (ex: EVGA 03G-P4-2781-KR) is 10.5" and the PCB runs the length of the card.
Full coverage waterblocks that fit it, like the XSPC Razor GTX Titan WB, are 267mm (10.5") long.

There is room for cards up to 277mm (10.9") long to fit with the reservoir bracket in place - plastic cover removed.

Soooo, the card will fit with the res bracket in place - plastic cover removed.

The reservoir bracket - plastic cover removed - is 63mm (2.5") wide at its narrowest point - at the GPU card recess - and butts right up against the ledge at the bottom of the 5.25" bay area on its right side.

To explain it in a different way. There is 350mm (13.78") of total space for cards with the reservoir bracket completely removed.
So, with a reference GTX 780 @ 267mm (10.5") that leaves 83mm (3.26") of space left to accommodate a tube res mounted to the bracket.

The bracket's mounting holes are centered 39mm from the ledge at the bottom of the 5.25" bay area, so using the mounting holes leaves room for a max reservoir width of 78mm (3.07").

There is 575mm (22.65") of inside space from the floor of the case to the top. (the pull fans above a top-mounted rad would sit above that).

An Alphacool monsta is 85mm + 50mm for 25mm thick fans in push-pull = 135mm (5.32")

575mm - 135mm = 440mm (17.32")

That's 440mm of space for a res and the thickness of the top rad + push fans.

There will NOT be room for a 400mm reservoir between a monsta on the bottom and any thickness of rad in the top, both in push-pull, and that's even if your 400mm res is actually ONLY 400mm long. The few I looked at were longer than 400mm and it seemed to be hard to find actual length dimensions of those res's I looked at with the top & bottom caps installed, plus if you needed to have any fittings/tubes coming out of the top/bottom you'd need to account for that too.

If, for example, you wanted an XT45 up top (45mm + 25mm for the push fan = 70mm) and a monsta on the bottom in push-pull (85mm + 50mm = 135mm), that would leave 370mm (14.56") of space for a tube reservoir mounted in between them.

A UT60 up top in the same scenario would leave you 355mm (13.97").

You could get a Primochill 400mm CRT reservoir (Compression Tube Reservoir) with the low profile base and cut the acrylic res tube to whatever length you wanted. Unlike other reservoirs, it uses compression fittings top and bottom instead of threads - the o-rings seal on the sides of the tube, not the end - so it is possible that the res tube can be cut to length, though it looks like if you weren't careful it'd be easy to ruin it trying.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 11/5/13 at 4:03am
post #1079 of 19207
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Originally Posted by Unicr0nhunter View Post

You didn't give a lot of details, like what rad up top? Which 400mm reservoir?


A reference 780 (ex: EVGA 03G-P4-2781-KR) is 10.5" and the PCB runs the length of the card.
Full coverage waterblocks that fit it, like the XSPC Razor GTX Titan WB, are 267mm (10.5") long.

There is room for cards up to 277mm (10.9") long to fit with the reservoir bracket in place - plastic cover removed.

Soooo, the card will fit with the res bracket in place - plastic cover removed.

The reservoir bracket - plastic cover removed - is 63mm (2.5") wide at its narrowest point - at the GPU card recess - and butts right up against the ledge at the bottom of the 5.25" bay area on its right side.
To explain it in a different way. There is 350mm (13.78") of total space for cards with the reservoir bracket completely removed.
So, a reference GTX 780 - 267mm (10.5") there is 83mm (3.26") of space left to accommodate a tube res mounted to the bracket.
The bracket's mounting holes are centered 39mm from the ledge at the bottom of the 5.25" bay area, so using the mounting holes leaves room for a max reservoir width of 78mm (3.07").


There is 575mm (22.65") of inside space from the floor of the case to the top. (the pull fans above a top-mounted rad would sit above that).

A monsta 85mm + 50mm for push-pull fans = 135mm (5.32")

575mm - 135mm = 440mm (17.32")

That's 440mm of space for a res and the thickness of the top rad + push fans.

There will NOT be room for a 400mm reservoir between a monsta on the bottom and any thickness of rad in the top, both in push-pull, and that's even if your 400mm res is actually ONLY 400mm long.

You could get a Primochill 400mm CRT reservoir (Compression Tube Reservoir) with the low profile base and cut the acrylic res tube to whatever length you wanted. Unlike other reservoirs, it uses compression fittings top and bottom instead of threads - the o-rings seal on the sides of the tube, not the end - so it is possible that the res tube can be cut to length.



Thank you for you respons. okey i have right now a 360 i want to put in the top, if i remember right its a 2 cm one. so really slim. and i dont got money to buy another one.

So i cant go with a res when i got the bracket on? with he plastic cover off then offcorse.
I got a Phobya 250mm right now, http://www.aquatuning.co.uk/product_info.php/info/p9256_Phobya-Balancer-250-black-nickel.html
really want to have that god damn bracket.

Thank you again for the good info thumb.gif
Edited by Gunilla95 - 11/5/13 at 12:59pm
post #1080 of 19207
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Originally Posted by bigmac11 View Post

Thank you for the rep and being cool smile.gif Great looking system you put together thumb.gif

Thanks mate, and why won't I be cool. We at the zoo believe that egos should stay at home. A great point deserves a rep IMO.
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