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Originally Posted by Sorphius View Post

Fine. As someone who recently acquired (arrived at my house yesterday) an Enthoo Primo, is planning to do a build in it during the next month or so, and is planning to use the fan hub (actually two of them) to control my 16 radiator fans, I'll step into the minefield.

What's the problem with the fan hub? Is it buggy? Are the connectors loose? Is it just a pain to work with? I don't mind ordering a separate fan controller or two, but I'd like to know now if that's something I'll need to do, because I don't want to be surprised by anything once I get into the middle of my build since the closest *real* computer shop is about 4-1/2 hours from my house and I'd have to order off Amazon or Newegg.

The "problem" is that it is called a "PWM Hub", and that is misleading. It is a hub for 3-pin fans which is controlled by a PWM signal.

I actually was doing exactly what you are intending to do when I had my Primo (I am down to six fans on one hub in my EVOLV ATX now), and it worked flawlessly. One of the things that is a necessity is "training" your PWM source - in other words, having it actually know the physical capabilities of the hub. On most ASUS boards, this can be done in BIOS, and with FanXpert/Thermal Radar, I have also done it in BIOS on MSI boards. Prior to running fan setup, the curve was a really tight "all or nothing" type of ordeal - but that typically goes for any PWM controlled hub.

Once it's set up, it works like a charm.
post #11502 of 19394
Ahh, very nice to know! Just for my own clarification since I'm at work and can't get to the case/hub atm... will the hub accept 4-pin PWN fans? Or does it have the annoying 3-pin connectors that have the plastic shroud around them and won't let you plug in a 4-pin fan?
post #11503 of 19394
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Originally Posted by Sorphius View Post

Fine. As someone who recently acquired (arrived at my house yesterday) an Enthoo Primo, is planning to do a build in it during the next month or so, and is planning to use the fan hub (actually two of them) to control my 16 radiator fans, I'll step into the minefield.

What's the problem with the fan hub? Is it buggy? Are the connectors loose? Is it just a pain to work with? I don't mind ordering a separate fan controller or two, but I'd like to know now if that's something I'll need to do, because I don't want to be surprised by anything once I get into the middle of my build since the closest *real* computer shop is about 4-1/2 hours from my house and I'd have to order off Amazon or Newegg.

No real problem really, it's more that people tend to misunderstand actually what it is. The Phanteks PWM controlled fan hub is a great piece of hardware in my eyes since it lets me run my 3pin volt fans on a PWM signal. Now this is exactly what it is, it's not a PWM splitter nor a regular 3pin fan hub. It lets you hook up your 3pin volt fans to it and then run a separate cable from it to your mobo (or other PWM controller) so that the hub can decide the voltage for the fans based on the PWM signal it receives. It also has a sperate power connector so that the power will be drawn directly from the PSU and not from a puny fan connector on the mobo.

Many misinterpret this though, which has lead to quite a bit of confusion. That said, the PWM controlled fan hub is an important part in these cases and even though the question repeats itself somewhat it is still valid questions thumb.gif

Edit: it will also accept 4 pin fans since the pins does not have a "shroud" wink.gif
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post #11504 of 19394
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Originally Posted by Sorphius View Post

Fine. As someone who recently acquired (arrived at my house yesterday) an Enthoo Primo, is planning to do a build in it during the next month or so, and is planning to use the fan hub (actually two of them) to control my 16 radiator fans, I'll step into the minefield.

What's the problem with the fan hub? Is it buggy? Are the connectors loose? Is it just a pain to work with? I don't mind ordering a separate fan controller or two, but I'd like to know now if that's something I'll need to do, because I don't want to be surprised by anything once I get into the middle of my build since the closest *real* computer shop is about 4-1/2 hours from my house and I'd have to order off Amazon or Newegg.

As already stated. There are two basic problems;
One problem is people not understand that it is a PWM controlled variable voltage fan hub for 3-pin variable voltage fans.
Other is the hub has to have a real PWM signal on pin-4 .. the PWM pin. This leads to many problems
People thinking all 4-pin fan headers are PWM
People thinking all 4-pin fan headers labeled as PWM have PWM signal on pin-4.
Manufacturers saying headers have PWM control when they are only variable voltage controlled or not controlled at all
Manufacturers saying headers have PWM control when they are really supplying PWM power .. pin-2 is pulsed 12v power to fan and pin for is not PWM signal.
Once people understand this and figure out if they actually have a PWM signal source on a 4-pin header the problems tend to disappear.

If someone will write up a good Phanteks PWM controlled hub tutorial and post it, I will put a link to it in opening post. It can be posted right here in forum with link in opening post bringing people directly to it. I would write one up but at the moment I'm doing a 6700k build and am up to my armpits with fans & coolers to test. I would gladly read and edit a tutorial if someone would like .. or post up what you think is about right and we can all add our 2-cents worth. I've written plenty of them and still often have to go back and re-word / change things because of how some read and interpret them. thumb.gif
post #11505 of 19394
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

I think the fan hub is brilliant in certain scenarios. It is simply misunderstood - mainly due to a name that makes people assume it is something that it isn't. I'm more than happy to talk about it, and to help those that are confused by the convoluted manner it is presented in.

That said.....I do think there should be a separate thread on it that can be referenced when anyone asks, rather than repeating the same things over and over and over.....
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

FIRST RULE OF PHANTEKS CASE CLUB IS TO BE HELPFUL.
ANYONE HAVING ANY PROBLEMS OR QUESTIONS IS WELCOME TO ASK THEM INCLUDING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PHANTEKS FAN HUB!
AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, POST SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Of course nobody appreciates my amazing joke/reference
post #11506 of 19394
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Originally Posted by xxdarkreap3rxx View Post


Of course nobody appreciates my amazing joke/reference

Actually....I did. It was @doyll Durden who didn't. boxing3.gif
post #11507 of 19394
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Of course nobody appreciates my amazing joke/reference
jerry.gif
I'll put a fiver to win on .. never mind.

You just got lumped in. Not to mention it's often hard to tell who's joking and who isn't .. and I would rather everyone errorred on the helpful friendly side rather than have some poor newbie not ask questions because of how they might have interpreted remarks posted in forum. thumb.gif
post #11508 of 19394
Just upgraded my cooler on the Luxe from the Corsair gtx hg100i to the EKWB 240 predator. Saw a 10 degree temp drop with 20 on load. Hated the pump noise on the Corsair unit and this one is so much quieter.


post #11509 of 19394
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Originally Posted by Sorphius View Post

Sorry for going off-topic... but how do those Aerocool DS fans work on your radiator? I like the look, but I've read that they have poor static pressure...

Ill start off by saying. I DO NOT recommend those fans. Not because the don't perform well (when they work), but because I had 6/10 fail on me, different colors and 120mm as well as 140mm versions.

But they work well on rads with a low fpi. In my previous loop, using ek vardars in place of these made 0 difference in temps. However your millage may differ.
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Just wanted to share my Evolv ATX build. Still not complete though, had this for a couple of months now and this case is AWESOME!!
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