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Originally Posted by Rahldrac View Post

So getting close to putting my Primo together and I still have not found out how I want to fix the airflow.
The top will be a 480 radiator, bottom will be a 480 radiator and "backside/sidepanel" will be a 240 radiator.

Other than That I will have 2x140 in the front, and 1x140 in the back.

The obvious solution is to have all radiators as intake, and all "fans only" as exhaust. The problem is design. Fans look so much better when they are are setup as exhaust, Which is why I am thinking about having all the "fans only" as intakes and the radiators as exhaust. But this might hurt temps considerably. And the rear fan would look bad.

Thoughts?

1) If you use 480 rad in bottom then there is no need in 2x140 in the front - one is enough to have the airflow movement.
2) I tested all positions, but I've made some case mods, so can't say that you'll get the same experience:
a) all rads exhaust - case fans intake: too much dust inside the case unless you make dust filters for all the back of the case. temps average
b) all rads intake - case fans exhaust: too much heat inside the case when side panel is closed. temps average, dust filtration very good. If you want to use the case without window side panel, then it's ok.
c) best solution: bottom intake, top exhaust without top mesh, case fans intake. You'll need rear fan dust filter. Best temps all around for MB (CPU) VRM, GPU and CPU.
d) (currently using) bottom intake, top exhaust without top mesh, front intake, rear exhaust: temps 1-2 degree higher than option c) however you don't need a filter on the rear fan.
e) bottom intake, top exhaust with top mesh installed, case fans don't matter: too much heat is trapped inside the case especially on the backside of MB. abnormal temps on MB PCH and on MB temps (maybe it's due to Demciflex filters which have finer mesh than original filters, which I placed on the top or that I was gaming Witcher3 for 8hours).
post #11582 of 19146
This is my experience... My Primo set up has only one exhaust fan. I have removed the HDD cages.

Intake
Front - 2x140
Side - 2x140
Top - 360 rad (6 fans, push/pull)
Bottom - 480 rad (8 fans, push pull)

Exhaust
Rear - 1x140

I have a 5960x and 2 980 Ti Hydro Coppers. Even after 30 minutes of stress testing, the fans are only running approximately 60%. I have 3 water sensors and 5 case sensors. The temps in the case never go over 32c. My case is cool and quiet. The rear of the Primo is nothing but holes, I don't think exhaust is an issue. I knew I could rearrange the fans (pain in the arse), but I went on the advice of someone who I trusted and installed it the fans/rads just like they are now. I was pleasantly surprised at the results.
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Thanks maskymus, you did some great work with this case biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by BarneyRubble View Post

This is my experience... My Primo set up has only one exhaust fan. I have removed the HDD cages.

Intake
Front - 2x140
Side - 2x140
Top - 360 rad (6 fans, push/pull)
Bottom - 480 rad (8 fans, push pull)

Exhaust
Rear - 1x140

I have a 5960x and 2 980 Ti Hydro Coppers. Even after 30 minutes of stress testing, the fans are only running approximately 60%. I have 3 water sensors and 5 case sensors. The temps in the case never go over 32c. My case is cool and quiet. The rear of the Primo is nothing but holes, I don't think exhaust is an issue. I knew I could rearrange the fans (pain in the arse), but I went on the advice of someone who I trusted and installed it the fans/rads just like they are now. I was pleasantly surprised at the results.

I just have 1x 140 in the front, intake, and didn't even bother with an exhaust or any fan in back of the case. I figure that any positive pressure will easily escape from the back of the case since as you said it is very perforated.
post #11584 of 19146
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Yeah, I run 2x front and 2x bottom intakes at low speed with no exhaust fans. The F140SP fans easily flow plenty of air without push/pull of intake and exhaust fans.
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post #11586 of 19146
Finally got my gray evolv atx yesterday and have put it all together. Such a nice case, fit-n-finish is way up there. I got a question about radiator mounting below, but a couple pics first...



I have a top mounted 140x280 rad so there are open spaces in the top mounting bracket. Queston is, what's the best way to close off those open spaces? Cardboard and zipties could work, but if there's a cleaner neater answer, that'd be even better.


I might leave the gap towards the front of open since I think only cool air just brought in from the 2x 140s will make it up there, but I defintely want to close off that back gap and will probably experiment with closing or narrowing the front too (the front gap is wider). Air is drawn in thru the rad.

I think I'm getting some re-circulation based on watching temps under heavy cpu+gpu load for a long'ish duraton. (the gpu has an acx2 cooler). Pop the front panel off after an hour of heavy load and temps tha take a while to creep up drop back down pretty quickly. My plan is to close off the back gap and narrow the front so only the very front can be drawn up top to feed the rad intake and be blown back down.


Haha... should i rotate that fan to get the label straight smile.gif
Edited by michael-ocn - 10/17/15 at 5:12pm
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post #11587 of 19146
Does anyone have both an Elvolv ATX and a Primo? I'm curious as to the size difference.
post #11588 of 19146
Cross posting from my build log about evolv atx airflow.
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Originally Posted by michael-ocn View Post

The rear gap closed off so warm air cannot be recirculated up thru there.


The front gap narrowed to the very front most inch or two allowing only cool air there to be drawn up.


I've noticed that hardly any air flows into the narrow vents on the top panel of the case, but according to a piece of tissue paper, a lot of air gets drawn thru the vertical slots at the very top on the back of the case. That makes a lot of sense when you have the top mounted rad setup as exhaust, but not so much for intake. I have to experiment with sealing that off to avoid drawing in the warm exhaust being pushed out there thru all the open mesh below. This'll matter more once I place the case nearer a wall.


I also noticed the front panel really is very restrictive, too restrictive for overclocking. With the front panel snapped in place, not much air flows out thru the open pci slots at the back. With it pulled off, a piece of tissue paper held back there is flapping in the wind pretty good. Modding that front panel would definitely be a good idea for my build. But geez... cutting out a pattern in a 3mm piece of aluminum is kinda outside my skillset and not so easy for me to do. Maybe I'll bring it to a machine shop (techshop) someday...

But in the meantime, this workaround is effective... just don't snap it fully in place at the bottom pegs, prop it open a little down there instead.


Edited by michael-ocn - 10/24/15 at 12:31pm
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post #11589 of 19146
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Originally Posted by BarneyRubble View Post

This is my experience... My Primo set up has only one exhaust fan. I have removed the HDD cages.

Intake
Front - 2x140
Side - 2x140
Top - 360 rad (6 fans, push/pull)
Bottom - 480 rad (8 fans, push pull)

Exhaust
Rear - 1x140

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Exactly this.

People still forget that you have ventilation holes in the back of the case + you have fans to push the air out.

Air will go wherever you direct it to go.
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I need you guys. I've turned the internet upside down to try and find a picture of an Enthoo Pro with two front 120/140 fans (instead of the 200mm), see how it looks, and I can't find one. From what I understand, Phanteks went major derp with those dual fans as they dont align with the grill. The top one sort of sticks out and only shows like 3/4 of it and the bottom 120mm one is like 3 inches from the bottom. It bothers me for some reason that they're not centered.

If anybody with a picture could send it my way or post it, I'm getting one today if it looks better than what I imagine it does! I can only find side shots and what not. Thanks a bunch guys,

~Chicken
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