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Originally Posted by Faster_is_better View Post

I saw you were looking for drain ideas, Here is how my drain is setup, works super slick.



Bottom rad is an alphacool UT60

Uses a 90 fitting (with rotary on 1 end that goes into the rad) then into a short male to male extender into a bitspower mini ball valve. I have to remove the valve handle to tuck it in there, but that's easy to put on when I need to.

It actually swivels out and clears everything, i can attach a hose to the valve open up and drain.

This might not clear with regular fans, but does because I'm using 38mm thick fans on bottom + some gaskets and stuff...

Thanks for the advice! I was actually planning on putting my drain on the bottom radiator. I was having an issue with the screws for the 38mm rads being too long so I had to put the 38mm fans on top of the radiator to allow me to use washers. I should have gotten some 90 degree fittings! Major overlook on my part. I'll just run a piece of tubing off the bottom rad to the drain port so I can hang it out of the case when I drain.

Here's where I'm at now. I had to resort to mount the res/pump next to the motherboard. Loving the look of the flat black tubing!

post #13452 of 19195
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Originally Posted by Arulan View Post

I plan to build soon and could use some advice on the fan setup.

I'll be using a Enthoo Primo case with a Asus x99-Deluxe II MB, and a Phanteks PH-TC14PE for my CPU cooler. As for fan placement, I'm planning to do 3x top intake, 2x bottom intake, 2x front intake, and 1x top rear exhaust. The front and bottom both have filters. Thoughts?

Secondly, I'm uncertain as to the best way to control the fans. The case comes with a PWM hub, that can supposedly handle up to 11 fans. The MB also comes with a fan extension card with 3 headers. Then of course the headers on the MB itself. I've heard mixed reports on the Phanteks PWM hub. Can anyone give first-hand advice on it? Is it safe to use that many fans on the PWM hub without risk of blowing out your header? I'll be using 8 case fans (3 pin), and 2 (4 pin) on the CPU cooler. How would you set it up?

Thanks.
As ciarlatano said, you don't need a huge case for your build, but I did a similar build in my Primo. blushsmiley.gif
The fans that come with the case are all you need Give 5th post a read in "Ways to Better Cooling": link in my sig. 1st post is index, click on topic to see it. Post 21 is what happens when an intake and exhaust fans are side by side like your top ones.
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Originally Posted by Arulan View Post

I appreciate the advice.

The number of fans I'll use is still flexible. I had just decided on using 8 under my previous assumption that a lot of positive pressure might be beneficial given the filters and fairly open back of the Primo. What would you recommend then for optimal fan setup? Just removing the top fans, or something else?
Forget 'positive pressure' and think 'positive airflow'. Air goes where it's pushed / pulled. Having slightly more intake airflow potential than exhasut airflow potential means the intake pushes a little harder than the exhaust pulls so to balance the intake and exhaust flow the littel extra intake leaks out other holes in case.

But the maximum overall flow of a case is the the lessor of intake and exhaust potential. A case will only flow as much air in as it can flow out .. or .. a case will only flow out as much air as it can flow in.

Think of the case and it's vents as a water tank with a bunch of pipes running water in and a bunch of pipes running what out. When the tank is full the only time water runs in is when water is running out, and the only time water runs out is when water is running in. If we have 5 pipes trying to push water into the tank and only 2 pipes letting water out, the maximum amount of water the 5 pipes in can flow is only as much as the 2 pipes out are flow. The opposite is also true; 5 pipes flowing water out can only flow as much a 2 pipes flow in.

What goes in must come out .. / .. what goes out must come in.
Edited by doyll - 6/4/16 at 11:50am
post #13453 of 19195
Here's my setup with phanteks evolv atx;] first time watercooling so probably few things that can be corrected (previously corsair 110GT).

Initially I bought EK 360 performance kit, added 280CE to the front (kept phanteks 140 fans) and waiting for some decent new graphic card or two...(maybe 1080, but still thinking...not big enough jump for me from 980ti considering the price £650, but we'll see:) )

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@haszek that looks really good especially for your first time watercooling! Congrats and welcome to the club! You'll never go back thumb.gif

So I finished my build and everything is up and running. Very happy with how it came out. I managed to fit a bottom UT60 360mm, front ST30 240mm, and top XT45 420mm quite easily. The case allows for a lot of sneaky tubing routing.

Sorry for the crappy pics. My camera needs an upgrade next.

So I took the outlet of the CPU and routed it under the reservoir bracket and into the 5.25 bays and into the 420mm rad. I was then able to do a straight run down through a hole in the bays to the bottom 360mm rad.




Here you see the tubing coming down from the bays. I'm then able to bounce up to the front 240mm rad and then do a short run back to the pump. You can also see the drain coming out of the bottom 360mm rad. When I want to drain I'll just take the back panel off and swing the tubing out of the case.



Here is the finished product. I tried getting a picture with the side panel on, but there were too many reflections in the glass.



I've never used PWM controlled radiator fans before, but I'm loving it. The onboard fan controller works perfectly and the case is almost completely silent.
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thanks!

I could never setup fans with this board (I could control them through the software but then after PC restart I had to do everything all over again). I felt like old asrock had it better sorted out.

In the end I bought nzxt grid v2 and it's way better than onboard fan solution or phanteks hub
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post #13456 of 19195
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

As ciarlatano said, you don't need a huge case for your build, but I did a similar build in my Primo. blushsmiley.gif
The fans that come with the case are all you need Give 5th post a read in "Ways to Better Cooling": link in my sig. 1st post is index, click on topic to see it. Post 21 is what happens when an intake and exhaust fans are side by side like your top ones.
For get 'positive pressure' and think 'positive airflow'. Air goes where it's pushed / pulled. Having slightly more intake airflow potential than exhasut airflow potential means the intake pushes a little harder than the exhaust pulls so to balance the intake and exhaust flow the littel extra intake leaks out other holes in case.

But the maximum overall flow of a case is the the lessor of intake and exhaust potential. A case will only flow as much air in as it can flow out .. or .. a case will only flow out as much air as it can flow in.

Think of the case and it's vents as a water tank with a bunch of pipes running water in and a bunch of pipes running what out. When the tank is full the only time water runs in is when water is running out, and the only time water runs out is when water is running in. If we have 5 pipes trying to push water into the tank and only 2 pipes letting water out, the maximum amount of water the 5 pipes in can flow is only as much as the 2 pipes out are flow. The opposite is also true; 5 pipes flowing water out can only flow as much a 2 pipes flow in.

What goes in must come out .. / .. what goes out must come in.

Much appreciated. The links in your sig are certainly useful as well. thumb.gif
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So something strange happened with the onboard fan controller. I was playing the Witcher 3 and after I exited I looked at the temps and they were much higher than usual. My rads were warm to the touch. All but a couple of the fans weren't working. So I put in my Phobya fan controller. I only have 3 fans plugged into the onboard fan controller now and they are working fine. So strange.
post #13458 of 19195
Possible future Evolv ATX owner here biggrin.gif

With the recent trend of getting rid of 5.25" bays, I'm having a hard time finding a place for my trusted Aquaero 6 Pro. I found out the Evolv ATX has a possible place for a mod I'm thinking of, but I'd need some kind advice from you guys, especially current owners.

I was thinking about cutting out a 5.25" bay out in the place where the bottom front-facing SSD fits. I won't need any rails or anything so that's taken care of, but I'm not sure about the following:
1. the bottom hard drive cage can be easily removed (i.e. screws and not rivets) without breaking the structural integrity of the case
2. once removed, if there's enough clearance behind the PSU compartment "wall" to fit the Aquaero plus cables (around 6-7cm would be enough) and without breaking anything

Dremeling is expected so I'm OK with that as long as I don't weaken the structure. I can't seem to upload any pictures to clarify tho. If everything goes right, a black Aquaero with red LCD and overall LED lighting might even look nice tongue.gif

Thanks in advance guys!
post #13459 of 19195
Hello fellow OC'er smile.gif

I am looking to upgrade my case so that I can actually fit all my stuff inside the case. Currently I have a UT60 360 radiator on top of my Corsair 650D, and the pump is also mounted outside of the case.
I did consider the Thermaltake Core x9 but it is somewhat too deep for my desk to fit it on and build quality is probably also a lot lower. One should go all the way and go for a Caselabs S8 if they want a cube case IMO. Did my homework and kind of narrowed my choice down to:
  • Enthoo Primo
  • Enthoo Luxe

Anyway...
Like I said: I want all my stuff inside the chassis. I currently have a loop of: UT60 120.3, EK XTC 140.1, Supremacy Evo cpu and EK 290(x) block. Pump (d5) is currently attached to a EK-Xres d5 top 140mm.

Alright, those are the parts.
The thing that concerns me is: will the reservoir/pump top fit on the reservoir bracket of the Primo? I guess my Sapphire r9 290 tri-x is the same length as a reference card (since it is watercooled and thus shorter?

It actually looks like the Enthoo Luxe has more space for a reservoir compared to the Primo:
  • Primo: 277mm (reservoir bracket installed w/o cover)
  • Luxe: 338mm minus reservoir diameter (reservoir bracket installed). So 338 minus tube res (most are 60) = 278mm

You can think, what is 1mm. Well it shouldn't be the first time that something didn't fit for such a small difference. tongue.gif
Bit-Tech tells the r9 290 reference is 278mm.

Overal I think the Primo is a much better case: heavier, more clearance behind the motherboard for cables, far more radiator space etc etc.


What do you guys think I should do?
If necessary I can sell my current EK-Xres top and go separate again (buy a d5 top and separate reservoir.
This will also be more silent I guess? With the pump sitting on the pump mount.

I would like to go with the Primo so I can sell my 140.1 rad and buy a 14.3 to use besides my UT60 120.3. Letting me turn down all fans while still have enough cooling for my cpu and gpu.
    
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post #13460 of 19195
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Originally Posted by Chopper1591 View Post

Hello fellow OC'er smile.gif

I am looking to upgrade my case so that I can actually fit all my stuff inside the case. Currently I have a UT60 360 radiator on top of my Corsair 650D, and the pump is also mounted outside of the case.
I did consider the Thermaltake Core x9 but it is somewhat too deep for my desk to fit it on and build quality is probably also a lot lower. One should go all the way and go for a Caselabs S8 if they want a cube case IMO. Did my homework and kind of narrowed my choice down to:
  • Enthoo Primo
  • Enthoo Luxe

Anyway...
Like I said: I want all my stuff inside the chassis. I currently have a loop of: UT60 120.3, EK XTC 140.1, Supremacy Evo cpu and EK 290(x) block. Pump (d5) is currently attached to a EK-Xres d5 top 140mm.

Alright, those are the parts.
The thing that concerns me is: will the reservoir/pump top fit on the reservoir bracket of the Primo? I guess my Sapphire r9 290 tri-x is the same length as a reference card (since it is watercooled and thus shorter?

It actually looks like the Enthoo Luxe has more space for a reservoir compared to the Primo:
  • Primo: 277mm (reservoir bracket installed w/o cover)
  • Luxe: 338mm minus reservoir diameter (reservoir bracket installed). So 338 minus tube res (most are 60) = 278mm

You can think, what is 1mm. Well it shouldn't be the first time that something didn't fit for such a small difference. tongue.gif
Bit-Tech tells the r9 290 reference is 278mm.

Overal I think the Primo is a much better case: heavier, more clearance behind the motherboard for cables, far more radiator space etc etc.


What do you guys think I should do?
If necessary I can sell my current EK-Xres top and go separate again (buy a d5 top and separate reservoir.
This will also be more silent I guess? With the pump sitting on the pump mount.

I would like to go with the Primo so I can sell my 140.1 rad and buy a 14.3 to use besides my UT60 120.3. Letting me turn down all fans while still have enough cooling for my cpu and gpu.

I believe I can help with this question since I just went through this a couple days ago. The EK X-Res 140 bracket does not match up to any of the reservoir mounts in the case. If you want it to fit you are going to have to drill holes in the bracket to match up with the case like I did. Just take the reservoir bracket off the case, place it over the x-res bracket and take a sharpie and mark the two holes that need to be drilled out.



Just a heads up, my x-res is extremely close to the graphics card on the reservoir bracket next to the motherboard. This was really my only option for mounting because I am using a UT60 360mm on the bottom, an ST30 240mm on the front, and an XT45 420mm radiator up top.



Another option is to buy an EK-UNI Pump Bracket which screws into a 120mm fan and will fit on the x-res bracket without any drilling. It will need to be placed on a vertical fan bracket though for the x-res to be in an upright position. For example, if you take out all the HDD drives you can screw the bracket into one of the front fan mounting points and have the res there.
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