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I do have the Primo. I'm stuck at work for another 5 hours, but when I get home I'll measure for you. I use the X-Res and I remember when I was test fitting it in that area that the pump top portion of the res was hitting the extruding metal around the PCI brackets so it had to be mounted lower.

I did a lot of planning before getting the case, but once I actually had it in my hands everything changed. The best advice I can give you is to buy it and play around from there. I'll measure for you when I get home.

Haha, that is most likely what happens for me to.
It's more that I want to know (as good as possible) what I need beforehand so I can order everything in one go.

I will look forward to your data when you do measure.

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Yes I think fitting a res in there with that size GPU will be problematic.

I pull air in from the bottom which leaves the blades unprotected and to close to the grill on the bottom of the Primo and the res bracket id too small for a 360. I initially installed fans then rad on the bottom with 30mm screws and occasionally I'd hear the blades tapping the case depending on how the case was resting on the feet the decoulplers eliminated that problem and the side benefit is improved air flow.
As a matter of fact all fans except rear top are set to intake for positive pressure. I used to take the PC out to the garage once a month to dust with my air compressor and now maybe every three or 4 months is all I need and it's not very dusty even at that with the positive case pressure but I do still clean the intake filters once a month. 

I have 2 290x reference card with backplates all I can say is it's not BS for me I get -4 to -6c on my VRMs with those fans blowing over the cards. In my book that substantial. No I don't have Empirical evidence
to substantiate the claim nor do I plan to produce it, it's only my personal observation. Backplates can sometime trap heat vs what we think they are designed to do which is dissipate heat. Of course YMMV depending on GPU or who makes the block/backplate but I use EK blocks and back plates and have had the same issues with GTX 680, 980Ti and 290x all had better vrm temps without backplate and the best case scenario was always backplate and active cooling. The only exception to this rule I've found was with a Kryographics Active XCS backplate on a 290x in my Luxe build. All that said you will likely never have an issue with heat from the VRMs however for me it's all about longevity we all know cooler the better.



Regarding the pump and res need to be separate if placed in the rear I have room for dual d5 pumps and a res in my case see image below. I will be adding a second pump with my next build in this case and have already purchased the dual pump top to do it and test fitted. So the answer is no you should not have an issue there and they can stay together.
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Hmm, your order looks pretty nice actually. I think I will go that route if possible. That will also net the least tubing used which is a plus IMO.

I will use the 7mm shrouds to decouple some. Like: case>shrouds>fans>rad.
Should decrease noise to, as they are made from rubber (sort of).

Positive pressure is also my go to setup.
I first thought about setting up the top radiator as exhaust and maybe even the rear fan as intake. Reason for that is that I am going to place the case on my desk. And it will be VERY close to the wall, my desk is only 63.5cm deep. You know the Primo is 65cm deep, right? biggrin.gif

Speaking of which. How rigid is the feet of the Primo? I will be forced to have the case stick out the front of my desk a bit because else I can't even have cables behind it (which are obviously needed).

I do believe you about the VRM and airflow.
Makes sense also. I also have an EK block and backplate. Since the backplate has a thermal pad it acts as a heatsink so putting airflow over it should help. I also agree on you saying "cooler is better" but I honestly don't think it is worth it to buy extra fans and place them where you have them for lowering the VRM which are already pretty cool (at least for me). If they were like 90c I would totally do it but they hardly go over 50c ever (mostly 40-45c).

Alright about the pump.
What I notice is yours is sticking next to the lower rad. Is that a Monsta though, damn just now I see how much room there is in that case.
I plan to use my 360 in the bottom though. I am pretty sure I will not be able to mount my pump like you have it or am I seeing it wrong? I take it my radiator will be much closer to the back of the case, forcing me to mount my pump/res above the radiator. I don't know If I will have as much room then.

How did you mount your pump by the way? It almost looks like it is resting on the fitting attached to the rad. But I must be seeing it wrong.

Thanks for sharing your picture though. Gave me some more insight. Do you think I can get away without extenders on the top rad? I don't know if I will be able to make a nice lead from te rad to my Supremacy cpu block. thinking.gif


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I do have the Primo. I'm stuck at work for another 5 hours, but when I get home I'll measure for you. I use the X-Res and I remember when I was test fitting it in that area that the pump top portion of the res was hitting the extruding metal around the PCI brackets so it had to be mounted lower.

I did a lot of planning before getting the case, but once I actually had it in my hands everything changed. The best advice I can give you is to buy it and play around from there. I'll measure for you when I get home.

Haha, that is most likely what happens for me to.
It's more that I want to know (as good as possible) what I need beforehand so I can order everything in one go.

I will look forward to your data when you do measure.

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Originally Posted by owcraftsman View Post

Yes I think fitting a res in there with that size GPU will be problematic.

I pull air in from the bottom which leaves the blades unprotected and to close to the grill on the bottom of the Primo and the res bracket id too small for a 360. I initially installed fans then rad on the bottom with 30mm screws and occasionally I'd hear the blades tapping the case depending on how the case was resting on the feet the decoulplers eliminated that problem and the side benefit is improved air flow.
As a matter of fact all fans except rear top are set to intake for positive pressure. I used to take the PC out to the garage once a month to dust with my air compressor and now maybe every three or 4 months is all I need and it's not very dusty even at that with the positive case pressure but I do still clean the intake filters once a month. 

I have 2 290x reference card with backplates all I can say is it's not BS for me I get -4 to -6c on my VRMs with those fans blowing over the cards. In my book that substantial. No I don't have Empirical evidence
to substantiate the claim nor do I plan to produce it, it's only my personal observation. Backplates can sometime trap heat vs what we think they are designed to do which is dissipate heat. Of course YMMV depending on GPU or who makes the block/backplate but I use EK blocks and back plates and have had the same issues with GTX 680, 980Ti and 290x all had better vrm temps without backplate and the best case scenario was always backplate and active cooling. The only exception to this rule I've found was with a Kryographics Active XCS backplate on a 290x in my Luxe build. All that said you will likely never have an issue with heat from the VRMs however for me it's all about longevity we all know cooler the better.



Regarding the pump and res need to be separate if placed in the rear I have room for dual d5 pumps and a res in my case see image below. I will be adding a second pump with my next build in this case and have already purchased the dual pump top to do it and test fitted. So the answer is no you should not have an issue there and they can stay together.

 

  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

 


Hmm, your order looks pretty nice actually. I think I will go that route if possible. That will also net the least tubing used which is a plus IMO.

I will use the 7mm shrouds to decouple some. Like: case>shrouds>fans>rad.
Should decrease noise to, as they are made from rubber (sort of).

Positive pressure is also my go to setup.
I first thought about setting up the top radiator as exhaust and maybe even the rear fan as intake. Reason for that is that I am going to place the case on my desk. And it will be VERY close to the wall, my desk is only 63.5cm deep. You know the Primo is 65cm deep, right? biggrin.gif

Speaking of which. How rigid is the feet of the Primo? I will be forced to have the case stick out the front of my desk a bit because else I can't even have cables behind it (which are obviously needed).

I do believe you about the VRM and airflow.
Makes sense also. I also have an EK block and backplate. Since the backplate has a thermal pad it acts as a heatsink so putting airflow over it should help. I also agree on you saying "cooler is better" but I honestly don't think it is worth it to buy extra fans and place them where you have them for lowering the VRM which are already pretty cool (at least for me). If they were like 90c I would totally do it but they hardly go over 50c ever (mostly 40-45c).

Alright about the pump.
What I notice is yours is sticking next to the lower rad. Is that a Monsta though, damn just now I see how much room there is in that case.
I plan to use my 360 in the bottom though. I am pretty sure I will not be able to mount my pump like you have it or am I seeing it wrong? I take it my radiator will be much closer to the back of the case, forcing me to mount my pump/res above the radiator. I don't know If I will have as much room then.

How did you mount your pump by the way? It almost looks like it is resting on the fitting attached to the rad. But I must be seeing it wrong.

Thanks for sharing your picture though. Gave me some more insight. Do you think I can get away without extenders on the top rad? I don't know if I will be able to make a nice lead from te rad to my Supremacy cpu block. thinking.gif


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My bottom rad is a Monsta 360  Keep in mind the primo fits up to a 480 down there just be carfeful because the width won't fit some of the wide rads. All Alphacool rads are compatible though. Normally this is where Doyll chimes in, he's the expert but, I believe max width for rads in the bottom of a Primo is 127mm. In my build my rad is pushed a little towards the back (under 120mm away from rear wall) to accommodate easily a drain at the front of the case. Bottom line with a 360 down there your options are plenty.  RavageTheEarth put it best "The best advice I can give you is to buy it and play around from there."

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You'll need a 3.5" to 5.25" drive bay adapter assuming you don't already have one. The Phanteks cases only have 5.25" external drive bays. Beyond that it will work great. I'm using the Enthoo Luxe, which is basically a more showy Pro with extra height in the top. The space behind the motherboard is great to work in. You can run a pretty large bundle of cables down the center straps without issue. The removable panel in the top can also be really helpful when running wires or installing a CPU cooler. I wouldn't hesitate to buy it.

Here's the inside of mine from both sides, so you can get an idea of what the wiring is like. Mine's not the cleanest ever, but I'm happy with it.
I have the bottom drive cage removed. You'll need both in there to handle 4 HDDs & 1 SSD unless you mount one HDD in the 5.25" bay & an SSD in a bracket. The 5.25" bays are not drilled for HDDs, so you'll have to do that yourself or use tape/velcro if you want it there.
The front panel USB 3.0 cable is stiff. That's why mine makes such a large loop before going behind the motherboard tray.

Thanks for the information. +1

I've actually got two Icy Dock Flex-Fits already, which I use to mount the two SSD's and two mobile HDD's that are in my desktop. I don't even have a full-size HDD in there anymore; the one I have is only used as en external drive for backup.
     
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@owcraftsman

I could always do this order, when I do mount the pump/res to the backside.



How do you guys think that will look?

I toyed with the idea of mounting my res there. Just remember to install and tighten down your GPU and any other PCI devices you have there since the reservoir will block access to those PCI bracket screws.


If you notice from my pic I resolved that issue with a swivel 90 elbow. With flexible hoses I simply pull it out of the way. The res can move in and out. You just have to be sure all connections are tight and don't wiggle loose when moving. I have also placed a support under the pump to insure no stress on the elbow and that keeps it perfectly straight up and down but the res is not hard mounted to the rear panel which would obscure access to expansion slots.

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I toyed with the idea of mounting my res there. Just remember to install and tighten down your GPU and any other PCI devices you have there since the reservoir will block access to those PCI bracket screws.

Thumbscrews FTW.

But it does suck indeed. Since you can't move anything around anymore after you've placed the reservoir there.
Do you have the Primo? Can you tell me how much space there is next to the pci slots? If I do mount there I have to be able to mount the EK D5 X-res there. If I have to buy a separate reservoir and pump to I might as well buy a slimmer reservoir and just mount it next to the GPU. And then mount the pump either behind the motherboard or at the bottom under my HDDs.

The above picture has the least tubing though. Else I will have something like this: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Or this, with the pump behind the psu cover:

I guess the second option would look worst, right?

I routed my tubing like your 2nd pic. I did it primarily to show least amount of tubing as well as a bit of a unique route (sneaky res to pump piping). Plus I like the layout biggrin.gif


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Very nice! I'm loving the case myself. My only suggestion is probably that 2x140 or 3x120 in the front might do you better justice than that 200mm thumb.gif.

Thanks! On that topic, here are some quick and dirty tests for you. I stole this exact post from the other day when I posted in the Ways to Better Cooling thread:

I ran them all with the air conditioning on, so it's probably around 22-23c in the house I ran the 3dmark firestrike demo once per test, then just took screen's of the temps.

You can see from the tests the panel is very restrictive. Things I noticed, with the big fan and the panel installed, the phanteks heatsink fans had to spin up quite a bit. All of the other tests did not. Without the panel, the 2 140's were VERY loud, it blocks out a lot of sound. I think I'm going to try to mod it to stick out a little further so more air can get in to the fans. The big phanteks fan is very quiet, it is almost inaudible.

Here is the PH-F200SP with the front panel:


Here it is without:



Now here is the two 140's with the front panel:


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So I moved my 38mm fans to the bottom of the 360mm radiator on the bottom of the case to push rather than pull. The only problem is that the screws I'm using are too long so I'm using washers, but that prevents me from sliding the bottom dust filters in. Just ordered some 40mm screws for the fans and I got black ones since the silver really bothers me. It does look a lot better this way though thumb.gif

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Question regarding my Enthoo Luxe and the LED button on the front panel. Lately, when I first boot the PC up, I've noticed that I've got to press it once or twice, then a long hold to turn the LEDs off; of course if I wanted to change colors I'd turn it back on and single presses work fine to cycle through.

My issue is, I don't remember ever having to click it multiple times and then hold, to turn off. Pretty sure I've always been able to just do a single hold to turn off. Unless I've been mistaken? Stupid question, I know lol.
Mine has always been a long press to turn off. Not 100% but I thought a couple people complained of this when they first came out possibly a fault switch bad connection. When you press before holding it down do the colours change?
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Mine has always been a long press to turn off. Not 100% but I thought a couple people complained of this when they first came out possibly a fault switch bad connection. When you press before holding it down do the colours change?

No, the color doesn't change if I press it once. After I boot up my PC, I have to press it a few times, and then it cycles colors or after a few times, then I long hold to turn it off. It's like...it takes a few clicks to "start" up.
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So I moved my 38mm fans to the bottom of the 360mm radiator on the bottom of the case to push rather than pull. The only problem is that the screws I'm using are too long so I'm using washers, but that prevents me from sliding the bottom dust filters in. Just ordered some 40mm screws for the fans and I got black ones since the silver really bothers me. It does look a lot better this way though thumb.gif
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I suspect raising your case up on some 30-40mm blocks will greatly improve bottom radiator performance. The bottom of Primo has very little airflow area.
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Total airflow area of intake through Primo base to bottom fans is 91.35sq cm.. a single 120mm fan has 101sq cm airflow area.. and that's not taking into account the lost of airflow area caused by the grill mesh of another 60-70% (grill mesh is 30-40% open area).
  • Left side has no airflow.. The grills on filters are totally cosmetic!! There's a solid surface behind them visible when you take them out to clean!!
    • . 0.0sq cm = Left side vents are fake
    • 16.2sq cm = Right side has 36x 3x15mm slots
    • 36.75sq cm = Back is 147x25mm
    • 15sq cm = Front has 5x 10x30mm
    • 23.4sq cm = Base is 2mm off floor with 126.5cm - 19.5cm for feet = 117cm + back area
    • 91.35sq cm = Total area
This does not take into account the area loss to grill mesh or turbulence (approx. 30-40% airflow restriction)..

35mm space between floor and bottom of case adds 400sq cm. That is with 6x30mm castor area deducted (42.4sq cm).. 6x square blocks is 73.5sq cm
40mm space between floor and bottom of case adds 409.6sq cm of airflow area. This is with 6x 40mm block area deducted. 6x square blocks is 96sq cm

By comparison, a 120mm fan has about 100sq cm of airflow area and a 140mm fan has about 140sq cm of airflow area. It varies some because of center hub size differences.
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