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Thanks! On that topic, here are some quick and dirty tests for you. I stole this exact post from the other day when I posted in the Ways to Better Cooling thread:

I ran them all with the air conditioning on, so it's probably around 22-23c in the house I ran the 3dmark firestrike demo once per test, then just took screen's of the temps.

You can see from the tests the panel is very restrictive. Things I noticed, with the big fan and the panel installed, the phanteks heatsink fans had to spin up quite a bit. All of the other tests did not. Without the panel, the 2 140's were VERY loud, it blocks out a lot of sound. I think I'm going to try to mod it to stick out a little further so more air can get in to the fans. The big phanteks fan is very quiet, it is almost inaudible.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Here is the PH-F200SP with the front panel:


Here it is without:



Now here is the two 140's with the front panel:

The difference between stock fan and repalcements is significant. I noticed the difference between with and witout front is much less with 140m fans.

and without:

I made up a chart of CPU, GPU, motherboard temps, but can't load it.
While stock 200SP was not doing as well as 2x 140mm fans, the varience between with and without cover is not as great with 200SP. It's almost like the 140mm fans flow more air without resistance, but are not proportionately as good at overcoming the resistance of cover. As in much better airflow / cooling without cover, but not as much improvement with cover.

I know you told me what fans they are, but I can't remember. blushsmiley.gif
post #13512 of 19221
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Originally Posted by .theMetal View Post

Thanks! On that topic, here are some quick and dirty tests for you. I stole this exact post from the other day when I posted in the Ways to Better Cooling thread:

I ran them all with the air conditioning on, so it's probably around 22-23c in the house I ran the 3dmark firestrike demo once per test, then just took screen's of the temps.

You can see from the tests the panel is very restrictive. Things I noticed, with the big fan and the panel installed, the phanteks heatsink fans had to spin up quite a bit. All of the other tests did not. Without the panel, the 2 140's were VERY loud, it blocks out a lot of sound. I think I'm going to try to mod it to stick out a little further so more air can get in to the fans. The big phanteks fan is very quiet, it is almost inaudible.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Here is the PH-F200SP with the front panel:


Here it is without:



Now here is the two 140's with the front panel:


and without:

Thank you for posting this. Someone in the Computex thread was making a big hooplah that the PSU shroud is what is the culprit of subpar cooling in the Evolv ITX, but as I imagined, it's most likely the front panel that is the bigger culprit. The PSU shroud will have some effect I'm sure, but nothing like that front panel. I was also going to ask which 140mm fans you are using as well? (thanks doyll smile.gif)
 
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Thank you for posting this. Someone in the Computex thread was making a big hooplah that the PSU shroud is what is the culprit of subpar cooling in the Evolv ITX, but as I imagined, it's most likely the front panel that is the bigger culprit. The PSU shroud will have some effect I'm sure, but nothing like that front panel. I was also going to ask which 140mm fans you are using as well? (thanks doyll smile.gif)
Granted, the front panel venting is problematic, but in my book the F200SP is more of a problem. I suspect if .theMetal put a couple of F140SP fans in the front the temps with panel on would be lower than they are now. wink.gif
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Granted, the front panel venting is problematic, but in my book the F200SP is more of a problem. I suspect if .theMetal put a couple of F140SP fans in the front the temps with panel on would be lower than they are now. wink.gif

I hope so! I was thinking of moving my 2x140SPs to the front panel of the Evolv ITX build as well, and then outfitting my Pro M with 3x120 intake, but I feel that the highest fan may not be getting enough space to intake that extra airflow. It's not fully behind the ODD slot or away from the side vents, but it's enough so that it's not getting as much air as possible. Thoughts on that approach? It'll determine weather I buy 3x120SPs or 2x140SPs smile.gif.
 
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I suspect raising your case up on some 30-40mm blocks will greatly improve bottom radiator performance. The bottom of Primo has very little airflow area.

Great idea. I might just do that. Temps are really good at the momenet (100% load 46C CPU, 41C GPU), but I am getting a lot of condensation inside my reservoir and I'm wondering what that's about. I haven't had that issue before so I'm wondering if the water is getting warm. Perhaps there is too many rads/blocks/tubing for one D5. I might just throw a second D5 into the loop.
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I hope so! I was thinking of moving my 2x140SPs to the front panel of the Evolv ITX build as well, and then outfitting my Pro M with 3x120 intake, but I feel that the highest fan may not be getting enough space to intake that extra airflow. It's not fully behind the ODD slot or away from the side vents, but it's enough so that it's not getting as much air as possible. Thoughts on that approach? It'll determine weather I buy 3x120SPs or 2x140SPs smile.gif.
How do 3x 120mm fans fit in a case that is only 375mm tall?
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I made up a chart of CPU, GPU, motherboard temps, but can't load it.
While stock 200SP was not doing as well as 2x 140mm fans, the varience between with and without cover is not as great with 200SP. It's almost like the 140mm fans flow more air without resistance, but are not proportionately as good at overcoming the resistance of cover. As in much better airflow / cooling without cover, but not as much improvement with cover.

I know you told me what fans they are, but I can't remember. blushsmiley.gif

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Thank you for posting this. Someone in the Computex thread was making a big hooplah that the PSU shroud is what is the culprit of subpar cooling in the Evolv ITX, but as I imagined, it's most likely the front panel that is the bigger culprit. The PSU shroud will have some effect I'm sure, but nothing like that front panel. I was also going to ask which 140mm fans you are using as well? (thanks doyll smile.gif)

Right sorry, I used An AeroCool Shark 140mm (with the voltage reducer) on the top and a Fractal Design silent series R2 140mm on the bottom. They were what I happened to have lying around.

The processor is clocked at 4.4 with 1.21v, and the ram at 2000.

Links to the fans:

Aerocool Shark

Fractal Silent Series R2
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How do 3x 120mm fans fit in a case that is only 375mm tall?

Not sure, but when I built in it I was skeptical until I held the fans up to the spots. It just requires you to remove the ODD cage smile.gif. It's listed on the official specs page on Phanteks and was partially the reason I decided I would go with the the Pro M over the Evolv ATX tongue.gif.
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Right sorry, I used An AeroCool Shark 140mm (with the voltage reducer) on the top and a Fractal Design silent series R2 140mm on the bottom. They were what I happened to have lying around.

The processor is clocked at 4.4 with 1.21v, and the ram at 2000.

Links to the fans:

Aerocool Shark

Fractal Silent Series R2

No worries smile.gif. I agree with doyll though. Take one for the team and swap in some 140SPs biggrin.gif.
 
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Not sure, but when I built in it I was skeptical until I held the fans up to the spots. It just requires you to remove the ODD cage smile.gif. It's listed on the official specs page on Phanteks and was partially the reason I decided I would go with the the Pro M over the Evolv ATX tongue.gif.

Not sure what you are saying here. The Pro M and Evolv ATX use the same chassis. Both fit 3 x 120mm in the front, and the Evolv does not require removing anything.
post #13520 of 19221
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Not sure, but when I built in it I was skeptical until I held the fans up to the spots. It just requires you to remove the ODD cage smile.gif. It's listed on the official specs page on Phanteks and was partially the reason I decided I would go with the the Pro M over the Evolv ATX tongue.gif.
.theMetal has Evolv ITX, Are you taking maybe talking about something else, like your Enthoo Pro M .. which does not support 200mm fans)? smile.gifblushsmiley.gif Come on man, don't play with my weak brain like this. tongue.gif
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Right sorry, I used An AeroCool Shark 140mm (with the voltage reducer) on the top and a Fractal Design silent series R2 140mm on the bottom. They were what I happened to have lying around.

The processor is clocked at 4.4 with 1.21v, and the ram at 2000.
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Yeah, they are both quite low pressure, especially at low speed. F140SP is 1.33mm H2O compared to R2's 0.84mm H2O (0.54 @ 800rpm) or Aeroshark's 1.07mmH2O (0.3mm H2O @ 800rpm). Better fans with sutomatic speed control so they cycle with coolers and you will be set. thumb.gif
Edited by doyll - 6/9/16 at 7:06am
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