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Oh I'm just a perfectionist, so don't mind me smile.gif. Don't let my suggestions be of any offense because one, they're just suggestions, and two, they're ultimately just my opinion redface.gif.

You'd feel better if you could see my case right now. I have to remove my motherboard to get my PCI-e cables cleaned up. I went from GTX 970 SLI to a single GTX 1080...i.e. 4 x 6-pin PCIE cables to a single 8 pin...so yeah tongue.gif.

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Very nice looking setup there, Toan!
No offense taken. I actually like looking at these, just to see what people do with their rigs. I'm glad this thread is here, because it helped me make a good decision on a case upgrade that was long overdue. It's been a few years since I had to even consider the matter. I've built a handful of computers, but they've all been budget rigs (by OCN standards) built around $30 Rosewill FBM01's, except for two Challengers. I tried a Challenger myself a couple of years ago, but it was too small and too difficult to work inside the case with all of the hardware I installed. Like I said earlier, I should have gotten this case a long time ago, when I first considered it.
     
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Got the Enthoo Pro M with acryllic window and it looks sweet! Had a couple minor issues and it barely fit the PH-TC14PE but it looks pretty sweet finished. Will post some pictures when I get a chance, one photo shown in my sig-rig. Unfortunately I sent back the Asus mobo twice and now have a ASRock Extreme4 which has been outstanding for performance but is completely the wrong color. Cant really see it behind the cooler though haha. Impressed with the fans and the cooler as well. Case has a few issues but overall impressed with Phanteks across the board. cheers.gif
I have a chopstick wiht a 'V' filed in the end I use to reach into tight places and clip the fan clips onto fins. tongue.gif

I do wonder about your airblow setup.
Top fans are a total waste. Back one is blocked by cooler and front one is stealing the cooler airflow and pulling hot air up off of GPU.
2x PH-F140SP front intake
1x PH-F140SP rear exhaust
Remove all unused PCIe back slot covers (yeah, they are vented, but removal almost doubles airflow)
If it still running hot (it won't be) block the middle top vent and use front top as an additional intake (blocking the middle one stops fan's

airflow from circling
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Heres a question though what if the fan in the front on the top was set to pull from outside while the one in the back set to push out? Because of how close the heatsink is and how the back fan is at the exit of the heatsink and the front fan is half hanging past the first fan would it actually help air flow to have them set that way?

Like this: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

right now as you can see they are both pushing out of the case but the arrows represent what I am thinking might be best?
Answered above while you were posting. biggrin.gif
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Gotcha. You have to be, to notice that I left the GPU cable out front. I was just wanting to get it up and running last night. There are a few things I'll have to change inside there in the near future, and I'll reroute those two cables when I do. Until I do, it's a windowless Enthoo Pro and the only way anyone's going to see my cabling is if I take a picture of it and post it. It looks like this right now: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
What I'm really interested in seeing is how much the thermal margin on the 870K improves the next time I crank it up. It reaches 4.7 GHz stable, but runs very close to its thermal limits even with the big air cooler at those settings.
Naah, you are just a messy builder. poke.gif
We are just doing it the right way. lachen.gif
Will be interesting to hear what temps are compared to before. thumb.gif
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I have a chopstick wiht a 'V' filed in the end I use to reach into tight places and clip the fan clips onto fins. tongue.gif

I do wonder about your airblow setup.
Top fans are a total waste. Back one is blocked by cooler and front one is stealing the cooler airflow and pulling hot air up off of GPU.
2x PH-F140SP front intake
1x PH-F140SP rear exhaust
Remove all unused PCIe back slot covers (yeah, they are vented, but removal almost doubles airflow)
If it still running hot (it won't be) block the middle top vent and use front top as an additional intake (blocking the middle one stops fan's

airflow from circling
Answered above while you were posting. biggrin.gif

Haha that's my exact setup in the case tongue.gif.

Also, I didn't realize the brackets cause that much restriction or had that much effect on the system. Do you have some type of filter back there for dust purposes?
 
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I dont have any temp issues I was just thinking optimal. Top back fan would be circular even with front fan set to intake and the heatsink blocking the center? I am thinking heat rises and any amount it is hanging over the end of the heatsink it would pull mostly from there. Doesn't it suck air from within the heatsink as well adding to the power of the cooling? Or would I see more benefit putting the fan on the end of heatsink and running 3 fans on the heatsink to directly out? Might be too close to the back of the case fan and prevent gpu air from exiting. The cooler and overall airflow is significant enough I have not had to worry. I dont figure this thing is supposed to cool 5.0ghz+ on a 4790k anyways. Stays plenty cool at 4.8ghz. Laziness may overcome lol.
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I also wonder about that gap as the top fans are like a half inch from the top of the case and a couple inches away from the back. It is a huge area of what I assume would be strange airflow. Not sure where the air from the PSU and back of Mobo circulate through either. Just seems weird.
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I think that's more to offset for radiators that could possible interfere with RAM or mobo chipset heatsinks. But essentially he's saying that you're disrupting the rather natural airflow of the case. Especially since you have a tower cooler that blows to the rear exhaust.
 
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The less changes in airflow direction, the less airflow is mixed up and the smoother it flows. It's like having two garden hose nozzles spraying a stream in one direction versus one at a right angle spraying it's stream into the other. Both one direct is a much smoother flow then one breaking up the other. biggrin.gif

Take the 'heat rises' out of here! buttkick.gif That is a misnomer at the very least .. really it's a total crock! mad.gif 'Heat' radiates in all directions. When air is heated it expands and becomes lighter .. when no other forces are in play it will move up as denser / heavier air moves in under it. The key works are 'other forces' .. in our case (no pun) fans. Fan overpower any effect the warming of the air has by a factor of 10 to the nth power. biggrin.gif

Restriction is relative ot how much force is being applied. The lower the airflow force, the more restriction anything in the way causes. The volume of airflow also effects the effect of the restriction.

Two fans side by side eat each others' air. The drawing shows and explains it in very simple terms. If you do not want to believe that's your choice, I really don't care. biggrin.gif

All that said, air is a fickled witch that often does things we don't expect. There are just too many variables at play and it's too easy to miss one or two that change what we think the result will be. It is often much easier to look at results and work backwards to see why then to predict what result will be. wink.gif
Edited by doyll - 6/15/16 at 3:35am
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I dont have any temp issues I was just thinking optimal. Top back fan would be circular even with front fan set to intake and the heatsink blocking the center? I am thinking heat rises and any amount it is hanging over the end of the heatsink it would pull mostly from there. Doesn't it suck air from within the heatsink as well adding to the power of the cooling? Or would I see more benefit putting the fan on the end of heatsink and running 3 fans on the heatsink to directly out? Might be too close to the back of the case fan and prevent gpu air from exiting. The cooler and overall airflow is significant enough I have not had to worry. I dont figure this thing is supposed to cool 5.0ghz+ on a 4790k anyways. Stays plenty cool at 4.8ghz. Laziness may overcome lol.

You are confusing "optimal" and "I must stuff a fan into every available opening". They are not the same thing. Most of the time they are polar opposites (your case being an example of that).

Yes, hot air is more buoyant than cold air. However, that does not come into play in a case with fans, or in any situation where the pressure of the fan is greater than the buoyancy of hot air.....which would essentially be any air movement at all. Case air moves where it is directed - it makes no difference in the temperature of the air given the temperature difference we are looking at in a case.

Listen to @doyll. You have an airblow mess right now, with limited airflow.
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I've downsized from my Primo to an EVOLV and so far I'm loving the change. I also did a little upgrade to Skylake while I was at it.


Very nice build. This is close to what I am planning. How did you mount the top radiator fans above the rad? Have you noticed any negative effects from the low clearance with the roof?
    
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