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Originally Posted by theotherspartan View Post

I think I'm currently torn between getting two of the 140mm Cougars or two Phanteks F140XPs. I like the idea of the XPs because they are PWM, allowing me to control their fan curve via my BIOS whereas the Cougars are 3-pin and I have no idea how to control those. Would they just have to run on full blast all the time?

You do not need PWM to control the fan. 3 pin are controlled by voltage and PWM can be speed adjusted at any time. PWM is superior but you can still lower the voltage on 3pin fans and it lowers speed fine (which is usually still done automatically by your motherboard). In my experience they are not really any different performance-wise the PWM adjust speed faster if I recall correctly. It is mostly up to your bios controls. From the looks of the Cougar fans the HDB/PWM vortex are superior because of the Hydro-Dynamic bearing which gives it a much longer lifespan. Those are the ones that seem to only come in orange though and it is also the only one I have tested personally. I am sure the others are still decent and probably would last long but if you are going for performance and longevity the Vortex ones with the HDB seem to be better and you can also get the PWM version if you prefer.

Post thought:

It can depend on your motherboard. The power fan connection on my motherboard has no settings for fan curve. I have 3 pin fans hooked up to 4pin connectors and they are getting speed adjusted with CPU temp no problem. The Power fan runs at 100% always. Would need an adapter to lower the speed on that one if I want it to go down. Most motherboards nowadays have full fan controls though. You can also split at least 2 fans off headers if you need to but it is recommended to use the same fan types if using splitters.
Edited by dmfree88 - 6/20/16 at 11:11pm
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Actually I managed to find some black ones:

https://www.amazon.com/Cougar-CFV14HB-Fan-Cooling/dp/B008N38OC2/ref=pd_sim_147_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=41KQU77%2B2lL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL320_SR320%2C320_&psc=1&refRID=TKP369JGNRW3KS8V59NY

Decent price really, I think I paid around $30 for mine back when they first came out. Seems to be a slightly older model (model is not shown on Cougar's fan page anymore) but it still has the hydrodynamic bearing and 19dba sound so I would imagine its very close if not the exact same fan.
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The argument over which fans are what. To me the PH-F140TS blades are different, then SP, XP and HP are all the same fan blades in difference rpm ranges, housing and speed control. My understanding Phanteks model numbers is HP was for High Perfomance.

First fan was PH-F140TC at 1200rpm with UFB bearing, Maelstrom Air Fort Optimization and Maelstrom Vortex Booster (sounds like advertising hype).


Then came PH-F140HP is 1300rpm with UFB bearing, different vibraton dampeners, motor mounting frame and slight change in blades (also PWM control)


Or was PH-F140SP next (not sure which cam first here) 1200rpm basically the square version HP without PWM


The PH-F140XP is 1200rpm HP in a square housing .. or the SP with PWM. No idea why the specs show a little more mm H2O (1.62 vs 1.33)



At this point I gave up trying to sort out marketing hype from actual specification. headscratch.gif

Here are images of 140mm fans and their specifications.

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It doesn't. Nor does XP (which is the PWM version of the same fan) stand for "Xtatic Pressure". tongue.gif
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Oh come on, we all know XP stands for eXtreme Pressure .. MP stands for Mega Pressure. doh.gif
Edited by doyll - 6/21/16 at 1:17am
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yeah had I seen these at microcenter before I purchased the F140HP-II I probably would have bought them instead:

http://www.microcenter.com/brand/4294922488/HEC

They have the entire black HDB lineup under $19. Wish I could afford them now. Would look good on my red PH-TC14PE. Might buy the 120mm when I get some cash to put on the front of the heatsink, would probably fit/look better ontop of my ram since the 140mm is currently moved up significantly.
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Originally Posted by theotherspartan View Post

I think I'm currently torn between getting two of the 140mm Cougars or two Phanteks F140XPs. I like the idea of the XPs because they are PWM, allowing me to control their fan curve via my BIOS whereas the Cougars are 3-pin and I have no idea how to control those. Would they just have to run on full blast all the time?
While I have used the PH-F140MP only a little, I think it is what I would get. The added static pressure not only improves airflow with high resistance, but improves airflow with normal resistance when fan runs at lower speed.
PH-F140MP is 68.1 cfm free airflow and 1.62 mm H₂O @ 1600 rpm
PH-F140XP is 85.2 cfm free airflow and 1.52 mm H₂O @ 1200 rpm

But those specs are applications using no resistance and resistance that stops all airflow and at full speed .. not applications that we ever use. We use them with resistance to airflow (grill, filter, radiator, cooler, etc) and at lower speeds .. meaning the specification mean little.

While PH-F140MP has lower free airflow rating, their increased pressure rating translats into equal or better airflow in actual use than fans with higher free airflow ratings. At lower rpm they overcome resistance even better.

Over the years I've used more TY-140 series fans than any other 140mm fan. TY-140/143/147/147A/149 all perform the same at same rpm. I have done A/B comparisons of them against PH-F140TS, PH-F140SP, PH-F140HP and many others. They as good or better in every application (including cutting them square and using them on square 105 to 124.5mm mounting hole plates). I am not doing in use tests using TY-147A Sq (new square housing prototype) in Phanteks cases. So far I am finding the TY to be every so slightly better. It is at most a couple degrees at same db sound level, which is +/- 150rpm .. well within margin of error. But they sound better to my ears. In other words even though I'm try8ing to be techical, I'm biased by the sound difference. blushsmiley.gif I only have one PH-F140MP, but on a cooler I'm finding it to be every bit as good at same rpm, especially at low rpm (400-900rpm) and sounds as good too. tongue.gif

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You do not need PWM to control the fan. 3 pin are controlled by voltage and PWM can be speed adjusted at any time. PWM is superior but you can still lower the voltage on 3pin fans and it lowers speed fine (which is usually still done automatically by your motherboard). In my experience they are not really any different performance-wise the PWM adjust speed faster if I recall correctly. It is mostly up to your bios controls. From the looks of the Cougar fans the HDB/PWM vortex are superior because of the Hydro-Dynamic bearing which gives it a much longer lifespan. Those are the ones that seem to only come in orange though and it is also the only one I have tested personally. I am sure the others are still decent and probably would last long but if you are going for performance and longevity the Vortex ones with the HDB seem to be better and you can also get the PWM version if you prefer.

Post thought:

It can depend on your motherboard. The power fan connection on my motherboard has no settings for fan curve. I have 3 pin fans hooked up to 4pin connectors and they are getting speed adjusted with CPU temp no problem. The Power fan runs at 100% always. Would need an adapter to lower the speed on that one if I want it to go down. Most motherboards nowadays have full fan controls though. You can also split at least 2 fans off headers if you need to but it is recommended to use the same fan types if using splitters.
To me the biggest advantages of PWM is the ability to run and control 7-10 fans from a single motherboard PWM fan header signal and the fact their is no heat generated lowering voltage. PWM control simply changes the pulse rate of 12 volt power to lower the fan speed .. this generates no heat. Variable voltage control requires the 12v power be reduced to lower voltage to lower fan speed .. and doing this generates heat .. the lower the voltage used the more heat is generated.
Edited by doyll - 6/21/16 at 3:08am
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Thinking of get a Phanteks Eclipse P400. WIll my Corsair H110iGT fit on the front?

Also, will i get worse temps for having the AIO on the front instead of the top?

Thinking of go with Push pull on it, with 4 Noctua A14 FLX, and then a stock fan on the exhaust only.. What do you think?

Or should i get the Pro M? The thing is, the Pro M doesn't support LED control, so i cant connect a phanteks led strip to it...
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Thinking of get a Phanteks Eclipse P400. WIll my Corsair H110iGT fit on the front?

Also, will i get worse temps for having the AIO on the front instead of the top?


Thinking of go with Push pull on it, with 4 Noctua A14 FLX, and then a stock fan on the exhaust only.. What do you think?

Or should i get the Pro M? The thing is, the Pro M doesn't support LED control, so i cant connect a phanteks led strip to it...
Recommendations depend on where you live.

While I'm not sure about the fit, I will definitively say do not waste money on expensive fan trying to improve H110iGT. It's a pig, and you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. If you are only putting water on the CPU, get a quality air cooler for similar money, probably less money than 4x nocs will cost. That or get a real water cooling loop like Swiftech H240 X2 that you can expand to cool GPU with as well .. but that will empty your pockets even if they are quite deep. tongue.gif
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Recommendations depend on where you live.

While I'm not sure about the fit, I will definitively say do not waste money on expensive fan trying to improve H110iGT. It's a pig, and you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. If you are only putting water on the CPU, get a quality air cooler for similar money, probably less money than 4x nocs will cost. That or get a real water cooling loop like Swiftech H240 X2 that you can expand to cool GPU with as well .. but that will empty your pockets even if they are quite deep. tongue.gif

I already got the Corsair H110i GT, as well as the 4 NF A14 FLX.

I just dont know what case to buy.. I live in portugak btw
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Hi All

First of all, awesome thread and stunning creations. Didn’t expect to find a thread about this case with a whopping 1379 pages redface.gif I’m planning a pc upgrade and the only thing that I’m 100% sure about is the case wink.gif Will stick with the “old” version though without the full glass panels. For the moment I have a Corsair Obsidian 700d. Best case I ever owned but it’s too large when I have to move it for lan parties, cleaning. Therefore looking for a more compact setup. One of the reasons I bought the Obsidian was to have a very good airflow with low rpm fans. I don’t know if I can archive the same results with the Phanteks case? With my old case I had a 6 bay fanhub with manual nobs which I turned up when I was gaming. When working on it the fans were almost completely off. Would anyone mind giving me some tips to complete my setup? I have not been following the hardware scene as close as I used to so hopefully you guys can complete my setup  Oh: forgot to mention that I looooove clean looking setups. Don’t have the time to put in custom wc setup but the closed loop options look good enough for me. Also some RGB lighting is welcome 
Case: Phanteks ATX Grey – this one I’m sure biggrin.gif

Mobo: Asus Sabertooth x99 – Very Clean looking board with M2 Hard drive connection, 8 sata 600 ports, .. Price is pretty steep though. Perhaps there is a cheaper alternative which provides dust covers and m2 hard drive? Thoughts?

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K / 3.3 GHz. Not much to say I guess. Seems like a decent cpu with decent price.

CPU Cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H115i Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler V. A lot of coolers to choose from. Not sure if this is the right choice?

Graphics Card: Not sure to keep my GTX980TI or upgrade to a 1080? Also with the market being flooded with 1080’s no idea which card has the best performance / price / quiet ratio? Again I don’t want a beast which takes 3 slots. Just a “sober” card which will blend with the clean setup. (perhaps with single 8 pin socket?) thoughts?

Memory: I think 16 gigs will be enough to run everything smoothly. Was thinking about the Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory kit

PSU: I like the sleeved cables a lot. However Corsair seems to charge quite a bit for these cables. Any recommendations for quiet psu with sleeved cables which blends nicely in the Phanteks case?

Display: Acer Predator X34 – For the moment I’m running triple setup with 1080p G-Sync Acer xb240h monitors which I used for sim racing + office / IT work. With the Oculus rift in the pipeline I’m thinking about ditching the triple setup (which takes a lot of space!) to replace it with an single 34” wide monitor. Only drawback I have is the 100hz (coming from 144) + input lag. Playing mostly 3d shooters (besides race games) so not sure if I will get used to this? People that switched from 24” to 34” wide with good experiences?

Hard Drive: M2 128 or 256 gig. Not sure which brand. I already have a 256 ssd in my current setup which will use for games. Data is on a NAS
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The Pro M has the same internal layout but offers a superior airflow due to being more 'open'. However, I understand wanting what you want. Doyll and ciarlatano have mentioned that equipping the Evolv ATX with a couple 140s in the front and a single 140 in the rear will do wonders. They will both advise against the Corsair AIO cooler tongue.gif. A tower cooler with that fan setup should keep temps down and your system quiet. Everything else looks pretty good, though the 980Ti won't do ultrawide the greatest unless you're ok with adjusting some settings thumb.gif.
 
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