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I've had my - still mostly empty except for the rads mounted - case sitting right next to me since I received it. I've not heard a single peep from it yet, even with it sitting where the sun through the window hits it for part of the day, but from what you all are describing the noise coming from the panel expanding/contracting it sounds like something that would probably go away with time.

It just reminds me of our Toyota Avalon when the car was brand new. The Mrs was really bothered by all the creaking and noises, including coming from the back window as it heated up which would make noises when the car wasn't even running (which is what reminds me of the complaints about the case panel). She was convinced we'd bought a lemon or something was wrong or not properly lubricated. It was everything I could do to keep her from taking it back to the dealer and throwing a fit and convince her it was all just because the machining tolerances were very tight and it all just needed to be broken in. It took a while, but we never did anything except deal with it, and now it's quieter than a mouse. All the noises went away so gradually we didn't really notice exactly when until one day my wife turned to me and said something to the effect of 'I hate to admit it, but you were right. All of those noises have just gone away all by themselves.' I knew it would quiet down eventually as I'd been through the exact same thing years previous when I bought a Toyota 4Runner it was super-creaky when it was new and I thought all the same things she did.

I simply can not believe that is true.....it is simply so far beyond human comprehension to be believed ...... not the part about the noises..... the part about
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until one day my wife turned to me and said something to the effect of 'I hate to admit it, but you were right.

Didn't she take the course ? :0

In philosophy, the men's class talked about "if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it did it make a sound ?"

I the wimmen's course, the question is different ..... "if a man speaks in the forest and no women hears him, is he still wrong ?" Every time I have asked that question, I have never heard anyone answer yes or no....apparently the only correct answers are "Of course" and "Absolutely" !

As to the squeaks.... yes it's a Toyota feature smile.gif many friends with T's have mentioned it as a minor annoyance and I remember it from my roomie's car back in the early 70s. But yes,it makes sense that noise coming from 2 parts rubbing together will go away over time ..... the rubbing is caused by friction, friction wears the surfaces rubbing and finally, when they no longer touching, the noise stops..
911 Carrera
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Intel w/ EK Supremacy Cooling Block - Clean P... Asus Maximus VI Formula 2 x Asus GTX 780 DCII w/ EK Full Cover Blocks a... Mushkin Red Line Ridgeback 2 x 8GB DDR302400 10... 
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2 x SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW 2.5" 256GB (2 x Seagate ST2000DX001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cach... Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blue Ray Writer 1 x Alphacool NexXxoS XT45-420 + 1 x Alphacool ... 
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1 x Swiftech 35x2 w/ Heatsink and NB Fan EK -MultiOption RES X3 250 White Acetal Reservoir 5 x PH-F140SP_BK_BLED + 5 x PH-F140SP_BK E22 Rigid 10/12 Acrylic Tubing and Bitspower Ma... 
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911 Carrera
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Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
2 x SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW 2.5" 256GB (2 x Seagate ST2000DX001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cach... Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blue Ray Writer 1 x Alphacool NexXxoS XT45-420 + 1 x Alphacool ... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
1 x Swiftech 35x2 w/ Heatsink and NB Fan EK -MultiOption RES X3 250 White Acetal Reservoir 5 x PH-F140SP_BK_BLED + 5 x PH-F140SP_BK E22 Rigid 10/12 Acrylic Tubing and Bitspower Ma... 
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2 x Reeven Six Eyes Fan Controller Windows 7 64 Bit Professional OEM ASUS VG248QE Black 23" 144 Hz Monitor Logitech G19s 920-004985 
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Seasonic X-1250 Phanteks Enthoo Primo Ultimate Chassis Asus RoG GX950 Laser Mouse  Logitech Z5500 
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post #1442 of 19207
I have a question about the 240 rad that can be mounted on the backside with the included bracket. If I measured correctly, it looks like you can fit a 60 mm thick radiator in there, in push configuration, without it obstructing the path for a 480 along the bottom. The only problem is it would practically be touching the side of the Monsta 480, which will block a large portion of the 240 rad. I assume you need some type of space behind the radiator in push only for it to be effective.

Would a 45mm in push only, or 30mm/35mm in push/pull provide superior cooling? Right now I have an RS240 and an RX240 that I won't really have a use for, and I wanted to put one in there. The drawback I can see off the top of my head, is there are only two ports on the Xspc rads. Looking at the bracket, an alphacool would be superior as you can run the tubes straight up the backside of the case.
post #1443 of 19207
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I have a question about the 240 rad that can be mounted on the backside with the included bracket. If I measured correctly, it looks like you can fit a 60 mm thick radiator in there, in push configuration, without it obstructing the path for a 480 along the bottom. The only problem is it would practically be touching the side of the Monsta 480, which will block a large portion of the 240 rad. I assume you need some type of space behind the radiator in push only for it to be effective.

Would a 45mm in push only, or 30mm/35mm in push/pull provide superior cooling? Right now I have an RS240 and an RX240 that I won't really have a use for, and I wanted to put one in there. The drawback I can see off the top of my head, is there are only two ports on the Xspc rads. Looking at the bracket, an alphacool would be superior as you can run the tubes straight up the backside of the case.

The gain you get from running a thicker rad is not worth it. I would suggest getting a 45mm rad, and having it blow out of the case.
post #1444 of 19207
In pull configuration? Will that cause any issues pulling air from the front intake fans out the side before it can pass through the case?
post #1445 of 19207
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In pull configuration? Will that cause any issues pulling air from the front intake fans out the side before it can pass through the case?

The only issue I see is with dust. Moving fans on a rad is easy, I say set them up the way you want, and see how they perform, and how is the dust collection inside. If you are satisfied then sit back and enjoy your build. If not feel free to flip the fans around.
post #1446 of 19207
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The only issue I see is with dust. Moving fans on a rad is easy, I say set them up the way you want, and see how they perform, and how is the dust collection inside. If you are satisfied then sit back and enjoy your build. If not feel free to flip the fans around.

Doesn't the side panel have a filter?


And for my earlier question, I guess I need to reword it. Without any side fans, the intake fans will move air from the front to the back exhaust fan. Will having two side fans close to the intake cause the air path to change and not reach the back of the case effectively?

Or is that a negligible difference with having the 480 and 420 rads also bringing air in?
Edited by shiv15 - 11/20/13 at 12:40pm
post #1447 of 19207
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Doesn't the side panel have a filter?


And for my earlier question, I guess I need to reword it. Without any side fans, the intake fans will move air from the front to the back exhaust fan. Will having two side fans close to the intake cause the air path to change and not reach the back of the case effectively?

Or is that a negligible difference with having the 480 and 420 rads also bringing air in?

I personally dont think you will have any issues with air flow in the back. There are filters on the side panel, but the reason people say that you should go for positive pressure is that helps keep dirt being sucked in from corners and vents that are not filtered.
post #1448 of 19207
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Doesn't the side panel have a filter?

Yes, it has a magnetic filter same as the one over the PSU grill.
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And for my earlier question, I guess I need to reword it. Without any side fans, the intake fans will move air from the front to the back exhaust fan. Will having two side fans close to the intake cause the air path to change and not reach the back of the case effectively?

I wouldn't think so. All the air that comes into the case must escape from it. It will inevitably flow towards any exhaust fans and the open grill areas at the rear of the case.

I've been considering mounting two of the included Phanteks 140s to that side panel as extra intakes just to help increase positive pressure a bit since otherwise I'll be pretty close to balanced intakes & outakes and the intakes will be limited by the filters.
post #1449 of 19207
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Originally Posted by jassilamba View Post

I personally dont think you will have any issues with air flow in the back. There are filters on the side panel, but the reason people say that you should go for positive pressure is that helps keep dirt being sucked in from corners and vents that are not filtered.

Okay, I understand what you are getting at. Even if that rad exhausts out the side there should still be positive pressure in the case. I'll take your advice and try it both ways and see how it performs. Now the fun part is figuring out how to route it. I have a bay resevoir now, considering a tube resevoir if it makes it any easier. biggrin.gif

Thank you for the help. Also thanks to you Unic0rnhunter for answering too.
post #1450 of 19207
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Originally Posted by shiv15 View Post

Okay, I understand what you are getting at. Even if that rad exhausts out the side there should still be positive pressure in the case. I'll take your advice and try it both ways and see how it performs. Now the fun part is figuring out how to route it. I have a bay resevoir now, considering a tube resevoir if it makes it any easier. biggrin.gif

Thank you for the help. Also thanks to you Unic0rnhunter for answering too.

How many rads are you planning in total? What size and where?
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