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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

No....

and.....

No......if you are talking straight out of the box. But you can add bottom fans to the Primo which could help, then again, you can add a bottom fan to the Luxe if you remove the shroud....but then you shoule probably be looking at a Pro unless you are doing the Luxe for the look (which I see no issue with,the Luxe is great looking).

Can I add a bottom fan to the Pro?

And if I am air cooling, apart from great watercooling on Primo and Luxe, would getting the Pro provide similar performance? Sorry if these questions are seeming repetitive, you keep making me consider the the next tier down on the Enthoo line.

I do love the exterior look of both the Primo and Luxe, but if the performance with air cooling is the same I may opt for the Pro. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by vaoqeRG View Post

Can I add a bottom fan to the Pro?

And if I am air cooling, apart from great watercooling on Primo and Luxe, would getting the Pro provide similar performance? Sorry if these questions are seeming repetitive, you keep making me consider the the next tier down on the Enthoo line.

I do love the exterior look of both the Primo and Luxe, but if the performance with air cooling is the same I may opt for the Pro. biggrin.gif

The Pro and Luxe are essentially the same case. The Luxe has a taller trim kit on the top, LED and some additional accessories included. But, they are the same chassis.
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

The Pro and Luxe are essentially the same case. The Luxe has a taller trim kit on the top, LED and some additional accessories included. But, they are the same chassis.

I see, many thanks thumb.gif
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Hey everyone. I actually subscribed just for this thread. Mainly to ask for some help from people far smarter at this than I am.

First off sorry for the screen name. should be kwelz, but I mistyped it and need to message an admin for assistance in fixing that.

I recently tried moving my Custom loop from my Thermaltake X71 to a Phanteks Evolv ATX. Love the case. Looks amazing. Well laid out. Fits everything I need...

Until my system got under load that is. Then my Temps went through the roof. CPU temps under load in some games were in the mid 80s. But even more concerning was that my water temps got so high It caused high pressure in the loop and lead to a failure.

Setup was as follows:
6700K /6800k (Tried both processors and a X99 / Z170 Deluxe Mobo)
2x 980 Ti in SLI.

EK 280 Rad in the front pulling air in.
Ek 360 Rad up top exhausting air. (Push/Pull by modding the tray and top of case)
140MM fan in the rear exhausting air.


Now obviously this caused negative Air pressure. As far as I am able to tell the main issue came from the top radiator though. The air was being forced up through the Rad and then would just sit in the top since there is not enough ventilation. Because of this the radiator did not cool down and in fact was slowly heating up meaning the water moving though it was not cooling down. In a word Heatsoak. I had liquid temps in excess of 60C which can and indeed did burn me when I came into contact with it.

Now the real question is how this can be avoided.

I am wondering about flipping the top fans around and using them as intakes instead. In this situation I would have extreme positive Air pressure which in this case may solve the problem. However I worry that I will not be pulling enough air in through the top and will starve the radiator leading to similar issues. Another option would be to find a machine shop and have them do ventilation holes in the top, but that would ruin the lines of the case.

In short am i just asking too much of this case. If so then I will have to relegate it to a secondary system without the cooling needs of my main system. Which I REALLY don't want to do.

Thank you all.
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Originally Posted by kwel View Post

Hey everyone. I actually subscribed just for this thread. Mainly to ask for some help from people far smarter at this than I am.

First off sorry for the screen name. should be kwelz, but I mistyped it and need to message an admin for assistance in fixing that.

I recently tried moving my Custom loop from my Thermaltake X71 to a Phanteks Evolv ATX. Love the case. Looks amazing. Well laid out. Fits everything I need...

Until my system got under load that is. Then my Temps went through the roof. CPU temps under load in some games were in the mid 80s. But even more concerning was that my water temps got so high It caused high pressure in the loop and lead to a failure.

Setup was as follows:
6700K /6800k (Tried both processors and a X99 / Z170 Deluxe Mobo)
2x 980 Ti in SLI.

EK 280 Rad in the front pulling air in.
Ek 360 Rad up top exhausting air. (Push/Pull by modding the tray and top of case)
140MM fan in the rear exhausting air.


Now obviously this caused negative Air pressure. As far as I am able to tell the main issue came from the top radiator though. The air was being forced up through the Rad and then would just sit in the top since there is not enough ventilation. Because of this the radiator did not cool down and in fact was slowly heating up meaning the water moving though it was not cooling down. In a word Heatsoak. I had liquid temps in excess of 60C which can and indeed did burn me when I came into contact with it.

Now the real question is how this can be avoided.

I am wondering about flipping the top fans around and using them as intakes instead. In this situation I would have extreme positive Air pressure which in this case may solve the problem. However I worry that I will not be pulling enough air in through the top and will starve the radiator leading to similar issues. Another option would be to find a machine shop and have them do ventilation holes in the top, but that would ruin the lines of the case.

In short am i just asking too much of this case. If so then I will have to relegate it to a secondary system without the cooling needs of my main system. Which I REALLY don't want to do.

Thank you all.

First things first... HOLY eek.gif at 60c. Make sure you check your pump is still working. That is dangerously hot. I get nervous at 40c...

Try this for the remaining holes in the top cavity:
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The guys with Evolv ATX have found that you need to cover the open area around your radiator mounted to the top bracket, this keeps hot air from reentering the case.

Your problem may actually be caused by the push pull setup and the close proximity of the top fan to the top of the case causing back pressure, causing hot air to actually go back through the fans and recirculate. The push fans then likely trap this air in the radiator fins. Now, this really should only be happening at high RPM. Try removing the pull fans and see if the temperatures go down.

I would switch your rear fan to intake so you get positive air pressure and some cool clean air.

Other than that, do you have a flow rate sensor? Does that water appear to be moving normally through the loop?
    
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First things first... HOLY eek.gif at 60c. Make sure you check your pump is still working. That is dangerously hot. I get nervous at 40c...

Try this for the remaining holes in the top cavity:
Your problem may actually be caused by the push pull setup and the close proximity of the top fan to the top of the case causing back pressure, causing hot air to actually go back through the fans and recirculate. The push fans then likely trap this air in the radiator fins. Now, this really should only be happening at high RPM. Try removing the pull fans and see if the temperatures go down.

I would switch your rear fan to intake so you get positive air pressure and some cool clean air.

Other than that, do you have a flow rate sensor? Does that water appear to be moving normally through the loop?

The current Pump is actually brand new. The overheating caused damage to the last one but the problem persisted with the new pump as well although I was able to verity it was workign not long before the failure. And yes.. 60C. As in melt PETG and cause near instant burns to your skin hot. I wish I had video of the failure. It was.... Well it was something to see. Failure point was actually at the point the Res threaded into the D5 pump, not even at a fitting.


I will try all of this. removing the top fans and blocking off those areas. I honestly didn't think of that. And of course switching the rear fan around.

I have a fluke IR thermometer I have been using to keep track of temps in the system. These are after about 45 minutes in Guild Wars 2.

These are surface temps of course not actual water temps but they give you an idea of what is going on...



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The current Pump is actually brand new. The overheating caused damage to the last one but the problem persisted with the new pump as well although I was able to verity it was workign not long before the failure. And yes.. 60C. As in melt PETG and cause near instant burns to your skin hot. I wish I had video of the failure. It was.... Well it was something to see. Failure point was actually at the point the Res threaded into the D5 pump, not even at a fitting.


I will try all of this. removing the top fans and blocking off those areas. I honestly didn't think of that. And of course switching the rear fan around.

I have a fluke IR thermometer I have been using to keep track of temps in the system. These are after about 45 minutes in Guild Wars 2.

These are surface temps of course not actual water temps but they give you an idea of what is going on...




That is crazy!

I have two Noctua 140mm 3000rpm fans on my top rad. I was doing some testing when I set up my loop... with the roof on and the fans at max speed I could actually feel the air coming back through the fans.

Best of luck!
    
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I have the Luxe, with a big air cooler. And My max gaming temp for CPU core is 58C
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Well I started off hopeful. However things didn't go as planned. I played a bit of GW2 then a bit of WoW. CPU temps got up in the high 70s. I shut things down and drained some of the water. Results were 52.2C with the IR and a bit higher with an actual thermometer. I guess this case is going to get relegated to secondary use and I will go back to a larger tower. This makes me very sad to be honest.
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Well I started off hopeful. However things didn't go as planned. I played a bit of GW2 then a bit of WoW. CPU temps got up in the high 70s. I shut things down and drained some of the water. Results were 52.2C with the IR and a bit higher with an actual thermometer. I guess this case is going to get relegated to secondary use and I will go back to a larger tower. This makes me very sad to be honest.

Can you please post a full pic of the loop as well as a list of loop components?
 
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