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Originally Posted by carmas View Post

Has anyone mounted yet a 480mm XT45 in p/p on top?
I would like to hear/see some experiences with this rad and the Enthoo Primo, because I am still deciding whether to order the 480mm XT45 or the slimmer 480mm ST30 to have more clearance on top.

Any XT45 rad will fit in the primo in push pull, as with the second set of fans, it lines up the the edge of the motherboard.
Its only if you go thicker that the potential overhang becomes an issue

I fitted a 420 Xt45 in push pull with no issues, check my earlier pics if you want
post #1472 of 18679
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Originally Posted by carmas View Post

Has anyone mounted yet a 480mm XT45 in p/p on top?
I would like to hear/see some experiences with this rad and the Enthoo Primo, because I am still deciding whether to order the 480mm XT45 or the slimmer 480mm ST30 to have more clearance on top.

I have a 480 XT45 in the roof in push-pull.

There is 70 mm of clearance from the top of the mobo to the inside top of the case, so an Xt45 with push fan (45mm + 25mm) comes just even with the top of the mobo. A 45mm thick rad with 25mm push fan will fit perfect with any motherboard because 120mm-series rad/fan mounts are also offset by ~54 mm (140mm series fans/rads are offset by ~44mm).

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

With that offset, as long as you don't have anything on your mobo taller than ~54mm, you can run even thicker rads in push pull.

Do note that you will pretty much lose the use of your top 5.25" bay with a 45mm 480 with push fans.

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FYI, most of these type questions have been answered by Jesse over at themodzoo:

http://themodzoo.com/forum/index.php?/page/articles.html/_/reviews/cases/phanteks-enthoo-primo-full-tower-review-r67?pg=8
Quote:
Phanteks Enthoo Primo FAQ

I have been getting questions all over the place, so I decided to take them all and put them in one place. If you have a question on this case, leave a comment and I will get it added in here.

What is the max clearance for a radiator installed in the top panel?

- The case has a clearance of 70mm for mounting a radiator in the roof. The mounts are offset by ~54mm so installing a 60mm (120mm series) radiator in push pull should not be an issue. As long as you do not have anything taller than 53mm on the motherboard (including ram), you can even install a 480mm monsta radiator in push pull. The X79 Dark, and G-Skill ram CAN be used with a monsta rad in push pull.

What is the space between the top of the case, and the top of the top 5.25" drive bay?

- The space from the top of the case to the top of the top 5.25" drive bay is 55mm or 2.16 inches. A single drive bay is 41.3mm tall, so 55+41 = 96mm. That is enough space to mount a 45mm or a 60mm rad in push pull and only loose the top drive bay.

Dont forget the fittings if you have them facing the front as they might take more space and ...

[...]

Can I fit a 140mm series, 60mm radiator in the roof of the case in push/pull?

- No, a 140mm series rad in 60mm will be too close to the motherboard heatsinks and the fans will come in the way. Users might be able to use a shroud or a 140mm to 120mm fan adapter on the 140mm rad and use 120mm fans.

Can I fit a 120mm series, 60mm thick radiator in the roof of the case in push/pull?

- Yes, the only things that will come in the way are if you are using some ultra-high profile RAM like the corsair dominator. The case has a clearance of 70mm on the inside, and the radiator mounts are offset a bit. Some motherboards might have issues with VRM water blocks and having a 120mm rad in push pull.

....more ...

Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 11/21/13 at 4:55am
post #1473 of 18679
Thanks Unicr0nhunter and the others too. Yes, I know that on the ModZoo it was already said that there is a clearance of 70mm, but I was just curious to know in the end how comfortable it is, having the 480mm rad rather than a 420mm.
As for the top 5.25" bay, I didn't plan on using it in the first place.


This said, you guys convinced me: tonight I'll pull the trigger and order the 480mm XT45 radiator. biggrin.gif
Edited by carmas - 11/21/13 at 5:25am
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post #1474 of 18679
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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

Well almost .... meybe it just needs some working in but getting the female disconnect off when ya can't really hold on to the other side is a PITA .... the 30mm extensions tends to unscrew....

Now I ciouls just as easily go the other way under the HD cages but remember....that's the "wall side" of the case. What I really need is one of these


That's a 1/2" wire saddle ... the male QD is 24mm so a 1" shud work fine .... anyone know where I can find one ?

Anyone have another suggestion ?
How about something like this?

http://www.skylinemodels.co.uk/24mm-Boom-Clamp.html

Or make one out of a piece of aluminum or black plastic. Drill a 24mm hole, drill either side for clamping/mounting screw, cut hole in half with band saw and the space removed by saw cut allow the 24mm hole to clamp the extension.

Designed like a split pillow bloke, just much simpler. biggrin.gif

Edit:
Googling "boom clamp" should give you lots of images.

$1.25
http://multicopterframeshop.com/index.php/frame-parts/quadro/clamp24-detail

$3.99
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25mm-Id-Plastic-Clamp-Set-Of-4pcs-DJI-Wookong-M-Cinestar-Multirotor-DIY-CF-Boom-/221316451411?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item33877d0c53

Might find something in a bike shop. Handlebars are usually 24mm.
Edited by doyll - 11/21/13 at 6:01am
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How do you guys feel about velcro/double sided tape mounting a Photon 170 or 270 to the right of the motherboard grommets with the res bracket removed? I would really like a Photon but it can't be mounted anywhere but there unless I wanted to sacrifice a cleaner tube run and my EVGA SLI bridge... I'm also not keen on drilling holes in the case or chopping up the res bracket.
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Originally Posted by Hooy View Post

How do you guys feel about velcro/double sided tape mounting a Photon 170 or 270 to the right of the motherboard grommets with the res bracket removed? I would really like a Photon but it can't be mounted anywhere but there unless I wanted to sacrifice a cleaner tube run and my EVGA SLI bridge... I'm also not keen on drilling holes in the case or chopping up the res bracket.
Feels like a chewing gum / duct tape / baling wire / Macgyver to me. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Feels like a chewing gum / duct tape / baling wire / Macgyver to me. biggrin.gif

Yeah I was afraid that'd be the case, but do you think (despite the ghetto mounting) that it'd look good? I mean the Photon Mounting plate is a solid piece so you won't see it through the tube or anything..
post #1478 of 18679
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Velcro would probably hold it but it's made to "peel" loose. When mounted on flat surfaces it can be quite hard to remove... as hard as good double stick tape.

Myself, I would drill and mount it properly. wink.gif

But than my EP is being built on air. biggrin.gif
post #1479 of 18679
FWIW, I'm mounting a Photon 270 D5 pump combo on the res bracket. I've already had it set up in there exactly where it's going to go and it just fits. I don't have to worry about clearance with my GPUs as my 4GB 760s have a short 6" PCB so I'm able to keep not only the res bracket, but I'm also keeping the plastic cover on it too just because I like how it looks better hiding the right side with the cables on the mobo.

I am going to have to drill my own holes in the res bracket & plastic cover to mount it, and I'll even have to drill a lower set of top mounting holes in the Photon's mounting plate and tap threads in them because the top holes in the Photon's plate as they are sit too high above the place where the upper part of the res bracket slopes back. Still, none of that is a very big deal to me.

I'm only going to have about ~7mm below the bottom of the pump and ~15mm above the top of the res for it to fit between the fans on top of my monsta rad on the bottom and the push fans on the bottom of my XT45 rad in the top, so it's going to be a very tight fit, but it WILL fit.

I even ordered a set of Anex super-thin offset screwdrivers (They're Japanese-made. I couldn't find anything like them in the US, had to get them shipped from overseas) that are only 10mm wide so I'll be able to open/close the fill port in the top of the res in such a tight space. I won't actually be needing to fill water in it since I'll be using a top port on my top rad for a fill port, but I will need to be able to open up the fill port in the res to let air escape so the water can fill the res as I fill my loop & I'll cap it off when the res gets full.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 11/21/13 at 6:32am
post #1480 of 18679
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Originally Posted by borax View Post

@JackNaylorPE

Thanks for the info dude. Definitely shall prove useful.

I'm looking at the Xspc d5 photon res/pump mounted on the bottom combo. Only because I think it looks pretty good and makes my life easier than having a pump in the back compartment. Would this fit onto the backplate/chassis if I remove the backplate?

Thanks.

If it would fit, it's going to be a difficult install. I have a 60mm .... w/ 2-2 mm on one side and 12-13 on the other. Add that up and you at 75mm

The Combo pump / res is listed as 85 mm. The res bu itself 75mm. So 1/2 mm off on ya drilling and ya sunk.....also think about getting stuff in and out.


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Originally Posted by carmas View Post

Has anyone mounted yet a 480mm XT45 in p/p on top?
I would like to hear/see some experiences with this rad and the Enthoo Primo, because I am still deciding whether to order the 480mm XT45 or the slimmer 480mm ST30 to have more clearance on top.

UT 60 is iffy depending on ya MoBo.....XT45 is cake @ 480 but might wanna think about the 420 as it has some advantages....

More cooling / surface area
Matches existing Phanteks fans
Allows fill / air bleed ports from top of RAD

There's PDF in post # 1000 with all internal dimension sand clearances


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Originally Posted by Unicr0nhunter View Post

I'd probably use Loctite Threadlocker Blue 242 on the threads between the QDC and the extension, and the extension and the 90 deg rotary. I use it a lot at work and always have some handy at home. It's the loctite that disassembles with hand tools when you need to, but holds until then. Alternatively, you could use loctite red instead, and that would hold for sure, but you may not be able to get the fittings apart later on without a couple pair of vice grips / channel locks and some serious elbow grease. I definitely wouldn't use loctite of any kind on the threads of the 90 going into the rad, but between fittings that's what I'd use to keep them from turning when I didn't want them to, but I'd still be able to get them apart if/when need be. You can get Loctite blue or red at any decent auto parts store.

EDIT:
If you'd rather use a 'wire saddle' like you had pictured, maybe look for a "P clamp", though the largest I found were 3/4". Not sure if that's big enough for your needs.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-x-3-4-Insulated-Clamps-P-Clamp-/260854907460?hash=item3cbc2a0244&vxp=mtr

Loctite is my next choice ...... and yes I was thinking the same thing about the rest..... GMTA ... smile.gif .... I did buy the P clamp last nite at local HD store.... it's very thick and rigid....won't "bend to fit. and also doesn't fit between the rad and mount.


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Originally Posted by doyll View Post


Or make one out of a piece of aluminum or black plastic. Drill a 24mm hole, drill either side for clamping/mounting screw, cut hole in half with band saw and the space removed by saw cut allow the 24mm hole to clamp the extension.

The problem there is their is no "either side" ... that's why went with the P clamp design cause metal only available on one side to mount to.


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Originally Posted by Hooy View Post

How do you guys feel about velcro/double sided tape mounting a Photon 170 or 270 to the right of the motherboard grommets with the res bracket removed? I would really like a Photon but it can't be mounted anywhere but there unless I wanted to sacrifice a cleaner tube run and my EVGA SLI bridge... I'm also not keen on drilling holes in the case or chopping up the res bracket.

I don't see it. The only way I could see a Photon if ya can't use res bracket, is mounted horizontally above lower rad. When I was thinking about it, I was going to affix a smoked acrylic plate to the top of the PSU shroud and then mount the Photon to that.... have an old PDF somehwere

Single Loop Picture.pdf 89k .pdf file
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 11/21/13 at 9:55am
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