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Originally Posted by Chiobe View Post

So the EK SE is not worth using at all? The problem is that Alphacool ST30 is not that much better.
55mm-60mm (fan included) and 120mm width, is what seems to be minimum standard for calling it meant for radiators. Meaning you dont always have a choice, with your current case.

and here I thought I put it simply. you can have the same performance and cooling from a 240 rad. no need to squeeze a 360 in a case with the SE performing like a 240 rad (unless you already own it or have made wonderful contributions to help others like @sazexa). as for ST30, no idea why you even brought that up, but with it's dimensions it's the standard thin 360 rad, I wouldn't even buy it over the 360GTS that is the same size and performs better. unless you're in a market that where you have Alphacool and EK to choose from, no HWLabs or Magicool G2 slim (second best slim rad behind GTS IMO).
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and here I thought I put it simply. you can have the same performance and cooling from a 240 rad. no need to squeeze a 360 in a case with the SE performing like a 240 rad (unless you already own it or have made wonderful contributions to help others like @sazexa). as for ST30, no idea why you even brought that up, but with it's dimensions it's the standard thin 360 rad, I wouldn't even buy it over the 360GTS that is the same size and performs better. unless you're in a market that where you have Alphacool and EK to choose from, no HWLabs or Magicool G2 slim (second best slim rad behind GTS IMO).
Magicool G2 slim would work, but the 360GTS is 133mm wide and not all cases supports that (specially small form factor cases).
Hence my statement that you might not have much choice in choosing radiators for certain cases (not all shops have all brands, as well).

But guess I need to select a case/design one, before worrying about what can fit in it.
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BTW, my top is totally sealed off, even the cable grommet areas.

I'm attempting an experiment to see if the top restriction problem is a matter of vent area or turbulence. Long story short, I'm walling off the perimeter of the inner top cavity and then creating a diffuser (like on the back of a race car) over the rad area. Hopefully this results in smoother airflow and consequently lower temps.

I'm also going to see what taping off specific vents does (in combination with the other variables).

Small update to that post.

From what I can tell, creating a diffuser doesn't do much... however... sealing of the perimeter of the top cavity does moderately increase airflow (which should help cooling). I'm still working on it, but the short version is to create an angled wall around your rad area and then seal off the dead space (area with no rad below it). What I presume this is doing is preventing the air from getting "caught" in the top cavity, reducing turbulence and increasing flow.

Please note my testing method was very scientific pieces of paper tapped to the vents.
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Small update to this post.

From what I can tell, creating a diffuser doesn't do much... however... sealing of the perimeter of the top cavity does moderately increase airflow (which should help cooling). I'm still working on it, but the short version is to create an angled wall around your rad area and then seal off the dead space (area with no rad below it). What I presume this is doing is preventing the air from getting "caught" in the top cavity, reducing turbulence and increasing flow.

Please note my testing method was very scientific pieces of paper tapped to the vents.

I like where you are going with this, but am a little confused about exactly where you are sealing. Can you post a pic?
post #15305 of 19140
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I like where you are going with this, but am a little confused about exactly where you are sealing. Can you post a pic?

It is all taken apart ATM as I am going to redo it with acrylic vs cardboard. But this is a rough sketch...



The grey area would go up to but not cover the top braces, but otherwise that is about what it would look like.
    
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It is all taken apart ATM as I am going to redo it with acrylic vs cardboard. But this is a rough sketch...



The grey area would go up to but not cover the top braces, but otherwise that is about what it would look like.

I thought about doing something similar with foam. Interested to see how this turns out.
post #15307 of 19140
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Yes, a fan can be put in the 3x optical bays. But you shouldn't need to do that. What are your load temps now?
Most common fan setup for Enthoo Pro is to replace the PH-F200SP wiht 2x PH=F140SP in front and standard 1x back.

I'm considering that. Right now i like the 200mm fan because I've never had one, but I doubt it would perform as well as 2x140. It seems I could sell the 200mm fan on ebay and replace it with two used 140mm fans at no cost.

My cooling is adequate, but not OCD and overclocking optimized.

On the image below, I had the stock 200 and 140 in their default locations. I had two 120mm fans on the top of the case set to exhaust toward the back end of the case. I also had 3 fans on my NB/VRM heatsink. My CPU cooler is a CM212 Evo set to pull. Last, but not least, I had a 140mm fan set as intake on the back of the motherboard behind the socket/MOFSET.


Edited by bigdayve - 9/25/16 at 4:32pm
    
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Looks very nice!
Good temps too!
Why spend more to go H2O?

Cause I am going to be jumping to w i7 unlocked and want better doing for that
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Really nice looking build. thumb.gif

But....either you have a tiny unicorn inside the case blowing LN2 on the CPU, or your definition of "load" differs greatly from the generally accepted term. "Load" would refer to "while running OCCT, AIDA64 stress test, x264, etc", not "while web browsing". The R1 is a fantastic cooler, but your results are ~20C lower than what an actual load test would produce on that CPU in ideal circumstances.


That was with the Intel app and ran test for 1hr. I will run one with a actual stress test and then post that up the results. Ha ha oh LN2 would be sweet but no. This thing almost never sees the web. It is mainly used for gaming and photo editing.



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Cause I am going to be jumping to w i7 unlocked and want better doing for that
That was with the Intel app and ran test for 1hr. I will run one with a actual stress test and then post that up the results. Ha ha oh LN2 would be sweet but no. This thing almost never sees the web. It is mainly used for gaming and photo editing.



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The Intel app that specifies temps in "Distance To TJ Max"? That would explain it, since it would not be the temp reading, it would be how many degrees from overheating it is.
post #15310 of 19140
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You are going fan crazy. You are OCD. poke.gifbiggrin.gif More fans don't mean better cooling. Proper airflow means better cooling. Proper airlfow in your case for most builds (air cooled builds) is 2x PH-F140SP in front as intake and 1x PH-F140SP in back as exhaust. You don't need H2O to overclock. A top tier air coolers will give plenty of cooling for a nice daily use overclock. The PH-F200SP is simply not a good fan. You might be able to sell it for enough to get 1 decent 140mm fans, but not two.

At some point I'll probably replace the front fan. I'm not a fan of water cooling either and I would rather have a big air cooler. With my current build, the evo fits my needs. The extra fans in my build did help lower temperatures on my old case. I tested them and found improvement, with the exception of the Northbridge fan. That said, I could remove at least a couple fans and maintain decent thermal margins.

Side note, I put a fan as intake at the top of my case toward the front. The idea is to feed some cool air toward the CPU Cooler. It seems to have helped lower CPU temps.
    
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