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Overall, I agree... but I don't see anyone else at the >$200 price bracket doing any better. IMO, wiring issues can be solved by good cable management. The serial number could have been put on the bottom.

The only substantive issue I have come across is my glass panels do not perfectly align with the case and as a result a small amount of dust gets through and adheres to the glass (over time). Easily fixed with some electrical tape, but still kinda annoying. It is possible this was cause due to chassis flex, but I can't say for certain.

One positive point I don't see thrown around on the Evolv is that it does a great job of not transmitting vibrations. HDDs, pumps, etc. everything is padded. The case doesn't have any "loose bits" either that can sometimes be a PIA to fix. My R4 had this and it drove me nuts.
Good point! the thumbscrew mounting panel screws keep vibration down too. R5 is another one of the better cases in it's price range too.

We need to keep in mind that $1-2 dollars more in in design and manufacturing is like $20 more to end user.
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Good point! the thumbscrew mounting panel screws keep vibration down too. R5 is another one of the better cases in it's price range too.

We need to keep in mind that $1-2 dollars more in in design and manufacturing is like $20 more to end user.

For me its that screw organizer box. I was like... "Oh, that's nice. And to think I put up with baggies." Even the less consequential things like the SSD trays having padded mounts. They didn't have to do that... but they did.
    
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There is room for improvement on the case and I agree. As a reviewer I will say that sometimes we get tunnel vision, and those who know me, also know that I'm a "bit" partial to Phanteks cases. With that said, I think what you bring up are great points about the case that for me non issues and as reviewers we should bring those things up more often.

On the flex, I will say that the Evolv has a lot less flex when compared to some other more expensive cases out there. My biggest disappointment was the lack of a swing open side panels on the TG edition, but I understand why they went with the mount they did (easy to implement, and helps keep the cost at a decent level (must have Vs nice to have).

Anyways, you have a great looking build. Is that the regular Hero or the Hero Alpha board?

I agree. Perspective is important. For instance, I've never had swing open side panels. So, while they certainly sound nice, it's not something I miss.

I don't want anyone getting the wrong impression. Again, I love the case. Little things like just how good the power button feels when I turn the machine on will continue to make me feel good about it long after I've forgotten the invisible zip tie. I was just trying to point out a few things that I did not see anywhere when I did my research on the case. They're not deal breakers for me, but they were surprises. I'd rather people who might find them to be deal breakers don't find out when they pull the thing out of the box.

It's the regular Hero. Last time I paid for a top of the line motherboard from Asus I regretted it. It was a great board, but I never used half of it. I was originally going for the Ranger, but Newegg had no stock when I was ready to pull the trigger.

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I see where you are coming from. The zip tie was done to make the LED change as easy as possible for the user, but I agree that there should have been a better solution.

I don't agree with you about the chassis quality. It is as solid as any NZXT,/Corsair/etc, probably more so, and uses a minimum of plastic. The design is similar to that of a car uni-body, where the panels are part of the support structure. It actually makes perfect sense in keeping weight down without sacrificing rigidity. It's not as solid as a Silverstone, but it is also a lot more user friendly and has far more component flexibility. There is always going to be give and take, and Phanteks chose wisely in this regard.

To each their own, I suppose. I'm coming from a CoolerMaster HAFX. The thing is chuck full of plastic, so comparing it to this is hardly apples to apples. I'd never argue that, when fully put together, the Evolv ATX feels less quality than the HAFX. I would argue that the HAFX felt more solid. Not a huge deal, really. Just surprised me, is all. Not much of a price difference between what I paid for the Phanteks now and what I paid for the HAFX when I got it. Of course, the Phanteks is nearly all metal, and has glass panels. Apples and oranges smile.gif

I don't think your unibody analogy really works here. None of the panels on the case are load-bearing, and none of them are welded or otherwise permanently attached. That said, when fully put together the case does feel solid.

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I understand your complaints, but like jassilamba and ciarlatano said Panteks quality is better than most, especially for the price. I prefer Phanteks cases to others I have used, including Nanoxia, Corsair Thermaltake, etc. .. even Fractal Design and Lian Lii are not any better. Phanteks case features and quality are definitely better than others not just in same price range but also better than many in higher price ranges as well.

I go through a lot of csses . like 6 or more a year. To date I have not found one I couldn't find many things to complain about. Like jassilamba if don't point out all of the problems I notice and only the more significant ones .. simple bessuse I can find faults with almost anything put in front of me .. from not designing symmetrical side panel mounting so panels can be used on either side to not designing. front tip-to-open socket access so it can be turned over for easy access when setting under desk or on desk.

It's just too easy to find faults in something and blame the designers and fabricators for not doing a good job. I've worked in R&D and regardless of how well designed and constructed something is, there are always thing that could be better. wink.gif

Just because everything has faults doesn't mean we should simply ignore them. I like the case. I'd honestly say it's the best case I've ever used, though that's not out of many. I've worked on 4 or 5 cases ever. There were just a few things I disliked about it, and I felt like all the positives about it were already out there for everyone to see.

I also didn't mention the "flow" issue that's been discussed many times on this thread before. Because, again, it's already been covered. I used some sound dampening material as others have and it seems to be working great.

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Good point! the thumbscrew mounting panel screws keep vibration down too. R5 is another one of the better cases in it's price range too.

We need to keep in mind that $1-2 dollars more in in design and manufacturing is like $20 more to end user.

I'd say this is the best value for money case I've ever bought. Easy. That said, running the cabling through the upper hole and moving the serial number label to a new location would've cost Phanteks $0.

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For me its that screw organizer box. I was like... "Oh, that's nice. And to think I put up with baggies." Even the less consequential things like the SSD trays having padded mounts. They didn't have to do that... but they did.

Not gonna lie, I smiled ear-to-ear when I saw the screw box. That was a really, really nice touch. Also putting the board with the power button and LED on the case, and not on the top panel, is a very thoughtful detail.

Case definitely has a lot going for it. For sure! thumb.gif
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hi im new here. wanted to ask for enthoo primo , does xspc ax480 rad able to fit at the bottom of the casing?

Here is what you were looking for:



Here is how much space is left from the front panel. I removed my panel a long time ago, and have lost it during a move so no way of determining where things will be (I do believe the 2 holes in the following pic are the mounting locations for drive bay panel)



Here are some pics from the bottom showing how the radiator fan mount holes line up with the case, and as you can see, you might have to file a little to make things work.
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Bottom -
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I agree. Perspective is important. For instance, I've never had swing open side panels. So, while they certainly sound nice, it's not something I miss.

I don't want anyone getting the wrong impression. Again, I love the case. Little things like just how good the power button feels when I turn the machine on will continue to make me feel good about it long after I've forgotten the invisible zip tie. I was just trying to point out a few things that I did not see anywhere when I did my research on the case. They're not deal breakers for me, but they were surprises. I'd rather people who might find them to be deal breakers don't find out when they pull the thing out of the box.

It's the regular Hero. Last time I paid for a top of the line motherboard from Asus I regretted it. It was a great board, but I never used half of it. I was originally going for the Ranger, but Newegg had no stock when I was ready to pull the trigger.
To each their own, I suppose. I'm coming from a CoolerMaster HAFX. The thing is chuck full of plastic, so comparing it to this is hardly apples to apples. I'd never argue that, when fully put together, the Evolv ATX feels less quality than the HAFX. I would argue that the HAFX felt more solid. Not a huge deal, really. Just surprised me, is all. Not much of a price difference between what I paid for the Phanteks now and what I paid for the HAFX when I got it. Of course, the Phanteks is nearly all metal, and has glass panels. Apples and oranges smile.gif

I don't think your unibody analogy really works here. None of the panels on the case are load-bearing, and none of them are welded or otherwise permanently attached. That said, when fully put together the case does feel solid.
Just because everything has faults doesn't mean we should simply ignore them. I like the case. I'd honestly say it's the best case I've ever used, though that's not out of many. I've worked on 4 or 5 cases ever. There were just a few things I disliked about it, and I felt like all the positives about it were already out there for everyone to see.

I also didn't mention the "flow" issue that's been discussed many times on this thread before. Because, again, it's already been covered. I used some sound dampening material as others have and it seems to be working great.
I'd say this is the best value for money case I've ever bought. Easy.
That said, running the cabling through the upper hole and moving the serial number label to a new location would've cost Phanteks $0.
Not gonna lie, I smiled ear-to-ear when I saw the screw box. That was a really, really nice touch. Also putting the board with the power button and LED on the case, and not on the top panel, is a very thoughtful detail.

Case definitely has a lot going for it. For sure! thumb.gif
Time is money, and while it may not take much more time to do the cable and serial number sticker changes, it does take some. It also means changing the assembly line procedure .. and changes often create their own problems in assembly lines. Running cables through holes takes more time than using a zip-tie .. and may require moving case to do it .. more movement means more chances of damage. Case is setting on assembly line ready for boxing and serial number label is put on case and it's box. To put labels on back of case and box is quick. Putting label on bottom means moving case .. whichi takes more time and also increases the chance of possible case damage. Bottom line is the more efficient the assembly line is the lower the cost of assembly .. and lower cost to end user.


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Originally Posted by jassilamba View Post

Here is what you were looking for:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Here is how much space is left from the front panel. I removed my panel a long time ago, and have lost it during a move so no way of determining where things will be (I do believe the 2 holes in the following pic are the mounting locations for drive bay panel)



Here are some pics from the bottom showing how the radiator fan mount holes line up with the case, and as you can see, you might have to file a little to make things work.
Top -

Bottom -
Good description. thumb.gif

@samcheekin I suggest raising the case to improve airflow to bottom. The stock bottom airflow design is grossly inadequate.
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I understand your complaints, but like jassilamba and ciarlatano said Panteks quality is better than most, especially for the price. I prefer Phanteks cases to others I have used, including Nanoxia, Corsair Thermaltake, etc. .. even Fractal Design and Lian Lii are not any better. Phanteks case features and quality are definitely better than others not just in same price range but also better than many in higher price ranges as well.

I go through a lot of csses . like 6 or more a year. To date I have not found one I couldn't find many things to complain about. Like jassilamba if don't point out all of the problems I notice and only the more significant ones .. simple bessuse I can find faults with almost anything put in front of me .. from not designing symmetrical side panel mounting so panels can be used on either side to not designing. front tip-to-open socket access so it can be turned over for easy access when setting under desk or on desk.

It's just too easy to find faults in something and blame the designers and fabricators for not doing a good job. I've worked in R&D and regardless of how well designed and constructed something is, there are always thing that could be better. wink.gif

I can agree with the Lian Li thing. The Ncase is solidly made (I literally am impressed how rigid and solid it is for its' size) but the exterior panels I felt could have been cut a bit better and QC could have been a tad better. I have the same complaint with my Evolv ITX, though. However, I paid around 1/3 for my Evolv ITX. I can see people being more stringent or critical of the TG Evolv as it is a ~$200 case.
 
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I'm building a custom loop in an Evolv mATX.
What do you think about mounting top rad as intake with push fan.
Will not it be too restrictive?
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I'm building a custom loop in an Evolv mATX.
What do you think about mounting top rad as intake with push fan.
Will not it be too restrictive?

Yes, it will be restrictive. I know one user here does that and is happy with it, but it has otherwise been a failed experiment. The case design lends itself to the top rad being used as exhaust.
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thanks !
I try to determine what will be the best for my loop in my lovely case.
I started a thread about it here : http://www.overclock.net/t/1612994/help-which-way-to-mount-my-rad#post_25564918
And people tell me that it's better to go all rad as intake.
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Since you want 2 HDD locations, then top mount the rad and use the bottom HDD trays. For the fan orientation, I would go front:2x140IN, top rad: 3x120OUT/push, rear: 1x140IN. This is the same setup I have and it has mild positive pressure. The front and back aren't in conflict because the top is pulling everything up. You can get more pressure by offsetting your fan speeds as well (intake>exhaust).

Thanks a lot for your help, I'm sold. I'll get it as soon as I find it in stock.
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