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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

Right now, using it as a case air temp sensor .....

Top Rad Water InTop Rad In = 25.3
Top Rad Water Out = 25.0

Bot Rad Water In = 25.1
Bot Rad Water Out = 24.8

Case Air = 24.9

That's with 2 front fans blowing in, 1 fan in rear blowing out....side fans not plugged in

Yup, I did a ton of water temp testing awhile back with placing water temp sensors at various points in a triple radiator, dual GPU, and single CPU system (both inflow and outflow of each component) and realized that after about 20 minutes at load, it doesn't really matter the order of CPU, GPU, Radiator .. the water temps will all be within 1C of each other.

After that, I just went for logical tubing connections and not worrying about putting a radiator between each component trying to be cooled.
post #1672 of 18678
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I was gonna go with twin D5s on a Bay Res but the got scared off those with the vibration and leaks stories......so decided on a tube res (results above) and then after much flip flopping in the end went with the 35x2 ..... cost wasn't much different .....

But, no.....the pumps don't know where the are but always best to have them at low points to avoid mishaps and ease loop start up efforts..

I have one, and love it.

I did have a leak in my first one, but it was an "internal leak" and Performance PCs replaced it very fast. I've had it for a long time and love it. I'm debating if I want to use it in this build, or sell it and go with a tube for looks.

Vibration isn't an issue at all, and it's very quiet. I love the clear one from XSPC.

Here are 2 videos I shot of my problem I had with the first res ...




But after they replaced it (I actually still have the old one, they didn't make me return it), you can see it here in all its QUIET glory ...

post #1673 of 18678
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Originally Posted by Terminus14 View Post

So who here has put the Enthoo's stock fans on some radiators? If anyone, how have they performed? Using three of those for my top rad would save me about 70 bucks worth of fans.

Read up a few posts .... all my fans are Phanteks fans .... the 2 front and 1 rear I left where they were. The 1 top and 1 bottom I put on the sides.

The one thing ya can NOT do is mix the ones that come with the Enthoo with the ones ya buy separately. They are the exact same fan but Phanteks has since started using vibration isolation pads at the corners. So the ones in the case are 25mm thick and ones ya buy individually ate 27mm thick. Of course ya can take them off the boxed ones or add them to the case ones.

As for performance, read my last few posts .....

Here's my design

Load Calcs
4770k = 145 watts
MoBo Chipset = 20
MoBo VRMs = 20
GTX 780 = 289
GTX 780 = 289
Pump = 36

Watts799

Here's what I get from my Alphas according to Martins

XT45-420 = 256 watts at 1250 rpm
UT60-280 = 191 watts at 1250 rpm

That's 447 watts of rad cooling or 56% and I'm showing a delta T of 10C (31 water / 21 air) w/ two 780s at 32% OC and the 4770k at 4.6 GHz

I had planned push / pull which should get me to 508 watts (64%) but really don't see the need. I calculated the watts based upon martins reference fans but my assumption is these are much better

At 1800 rpm in push / pull I shud pull 719 watts of cooling or 90% of the theoretical need.

Also note that the Phanteks fans swept the field when tested on big air coolers which if anything place a harder demand on the fans due to their tighter fin spacing. last time SPCR tested the 120mm trounced the 140s .... this time the 140s took 4 of the top 5 spots besting the Noctuas, Gentle Typhoons and Corsair AF120. Oddly enuff in a following test, an Antec fan edged out the Phanteks by a hair.... but it had the PWM tick thing so pffft for that.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1345-page4.html


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In our last 120 mm fan roundup we lamented the fact that many of the best sounding fans faltered in our thermal test, posing our readership with a vexing question: Which is more important, acoustics or cooling performance? For this first batch of 140 mm fans, there is no such dilemma.

The Phanteks PH-F140HP/TS is the clear winner in every respect. It edged out the new Noctuas every step of the way, delivering the best overall results of any fan we've tested thus far. To top it off, it had cleanest, smoothest sound of all the new fans in this roundup. If we had to start from scratch, this might be our new reference model.

Another review over at HighTech legion gave it the Editor's Choice...

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/heatsinks/37419-phanteks-f140?showall=&start=3

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It often feels like Phanteks can do no wrong. Time after time, they deliver products that are either clearly top of their class, or merely arguably the top of their class. The new breed of fans, the 140XP and SP, do nothing to change that. Construction and performance are spot on, while noise to air movement is excellent. I have been fortunate enough to have been using seven of these in a build for the last month, and time has done nothing but make me like them more.

As case fans, the 140SP and 140XP are very controlled, and able to move excellent amounts of air through the case. This would be expected given the specs, but what is not expected is how quietly they manage to do this. First off, there is no discernible mechanical noise from either iteration of the fan. The bearing is dead silent, and there is no ticking, buzz or hum often associated with PWM present in the 140XP. The other factor is the actual pitch of the fan, which is lower than most 140mm fans we have encountered. There is no whine or high pitches of any kind. This makes the 140SP and XP far less intrusive even at higher speeds. At lower speeds, the air movement is substantial, but even in the front intake position there is no real discernible noise until ~850rpm, and they never become distracting when pushed beyond that.

While the fans are essentially the same with PWM added to the F140XP, that also adds some perks. The PWM control allows the F140XP to be run all the way down to 300rpm for absolute silence. The lower speeds also allow the static pressure to increase ~15%, making them an excellent choice for 140mm factor radiators. The 140SP serves very, very well on radiators also with good static pressure and low noise.

I was hesitant to go 'all in" with the 1200 rpm fans so I pulled the top and bottom ones out and put them in the sides..... then I bought 3 LED ones for the top rad and 2 plain ones for the bottom rad to see how they did...... if they didn't perform as I had hoped, I'd use them as case fans in another build.....and buy 10 1800 rpm jobs..... if they did, then 5 more Phanteks.... But again, I'm cooling twin 780s w/ 32% OC and a 4770k at 4.6 Ghz and can't get water temps over 31C. I think I'll save meself $100 as pull fans seem redundant.


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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Yup, I did a ton of water temp testing awhile back with placing water temp sensors at various points in a triple radiator, dual GPU, and single CPU system (both inflow and outflow of each component) and realized that after about 20 minutes at load, it doesn't really matter the order of CPU, GPU, Radiator .. the water temps will all be within 1C of each other.

After that, I just went for logical tubing connections and not worrying about putting a radiator between each component trying to be cooled.

I'm using mine to determine the effect of fan speed on loop temps so I can dial everything down to the lowest setting .... Ya always have that kinda break point where if ya go past that performance starts to go in the toilet. Finally, the build had a very "industrial" focus and the temp indicators were my way of sneaking a little *GB* in there
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
GB = Geek Bling

As for the leaks, there's been some press of late (i.e. linus) about seam failures and possible relation to ethylene glycol effect on glue used. I think the vibration thing is tied as much to the quality of the case as the quality of the res / pump combo.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 11/30/13 at 6:37pm
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post #1674 of 18678
Argh, the wait for this case is killing me! I have everything else, 780 Ti, waterblocks, res, pumps, everything!! Just waiting on the case now frown.gif

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Geez man ..... someone bringing ya the case by foot ? smile.gif
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Well, I finally built my loop today in this thing. It was not the best time, and I am not particularly happy with this case. My UT60 did not want to fit in the bottom at all, although I eventually got it in there. Then I discovered that the screws that Alphacool uses fit nicely though the holes and channels on the case, so I had to use washers on them. Since I had to use washers on them, some of the screws could not be used as they got in the way of the bottom pedestal, and also I can not put the top fan cover or the bottom dust filters in because of this. Makes me wish I got the 900D instead. Overall this was not a fun experience, combined with my Alphacool CPU block having a machining problem that caused a massive leak so I had to take everything apart again.
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I have the UT60-280 ....went in and fit like a glove. If Jesse can get a 480 Monsta in there w/o any trouble, dunno why you would have trouble w/ something 26mm thinner . Maybe there was a way of getting it in smoothly that ya just didn't think of .... see video in post 9

http://www.overclock.net/t/1418637/phanteks-enthoo-primo-owners-club

What size were you using....if bigger than 280, ya not supposed to use the bottom bracket as a mount....and then there are no screws to the case. It just sits there .... screws go from fan into rad, bracket not needed.

The only time you are going to have a radiator screw issue id with a 240 or 280 rad.... I used two washers and Again, I have the UT60 on the bottom and I can't fathom the difficulties you are having.
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post #1678 of 18678
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Geez man ..... someone bringing ya the case by foot ? smile.gif

Nah haha, stock comes in on the 12th sadly.

Oh well, might be ghetto wc loop time biggrin.gif
    
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post #1679 of 18678
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I have the UT60-280 ....went in and fit like a glove. If Jesse can get a 480 Monsta in there w/o any trouble, dunno why you would have trouble w/ something 26mm thinner . Maybe there was a way of getting it in smoothly that ya just didn't think of .... see video in post 9

http://www.overclock.net/t/1418637/phanteks-enthoo-primo-owners-club

What size were you using....if bigger than 280, ya not supposed to use the bottom bracket as a mount....and then there are no screws to the case. It just sits there .... screws go from fan into rad, bracket not needed.

The only time you are going to have a radiator screw issue id with a 240 or 280 rad.... I used two washers and Again, I have the UT60 on the bottom and I can't fathom the difficulties you are having.

It was the width, and its a 360mm. Maybe my case is tweaked because the back was bent too. I had to slightly bend the panel that holds up the drive bay to get it in there and its right up against the PSU shroud with the rubber grommets out.

Anyway, here is a potato picture of the semi-final result. Still need a few more parts for it to be done.


Edited by Scorpion49 - 11/30/13 at 11:32pm
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Well, I finally built my loop today in this thing. It was not the best time, and I am not particularly happy with this case. My UT60 did not want to fit in the bottom at all, although I eventually got it in there. Then I discovered that the screws that Alphacool uses fit nicely though the holes and channels on the case, so I had to use washers on them. Since I had to use washers on them, some of the screws could not be used as they got in the way of the bottom pedestal, and also I can not put the top fan cover or the bottom dust filters in because of this. Makes me wish I got the 900D instead. Overall this was not a fun experience, combined with my Alphacool CPU block having a machining problem that caused a massive leak so I had to take everything apart again.

Yeah it's definitely a snug fit, but my 360 monsta in push-pull slid right in the bottom without a fight. I also have mine in there with the ports towards the front of the case, and I slid it in there first with all the bottom fans screwed just to the rad, and looking at it from the bottom, I just picked out 3 screws I wanted to use to mount it, and left the rest of the screws holding just the fans to the rad and put just 3 of the longer screws that came with the Alphacool rad through the bottom of the case. I used thin plastic washers and they didn't interfere with sliding my dust filters in/out.
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