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I find the 120mm per device rule of them a bit weak at the high end .... at least "in theory" ..... after all a 290x overclocked (estimated 350 watts balls to the wall) is a lot different than a 660 ....

back in the 500s message number there's a summary of all Martins numbers .... I'll use the UT60 as a middle ground thickness in the example....

A UT60 @ 1,000 rpm gets you 50 watts of cooling with one fan and 61 watts in push / pull
A UT60 @ 1,250 rpm gets you 63 watts of cooling with one fan and 76 watts in push / pull
A UT60 @ 1,400 rpm gets you 70 watts of cooling with one fan and 85 watts in push / pull
A UT60 @ 1,800 rpm gets you 90 watts of cooling with one fan and 108 watts in push / pull

So that single 290x is gonna want 360 worth or Rad just for itself.

Of course martins tests are based on just the rad .... even the rad shroud radiation is excluded......plus all ya components radiate heat

Here's how I calculated my rig .....

4770k - 145
MoBo Chipset - 20
MoBo VRMs - 20
GTX 780 - 289
GTX 780 - 289
Pump - 36

Watts - 799

Then I said ....well I'm not stress testing all the time, and all the other components in the case radiate heat .... so let's shoot for 2/3 of that since 1250 rpm is all I wanna put up with worse case......so 66% of 799 or 533 watts is what I aimed for .... At 1250 rpm, the ST45-420 and UT60-280 gave me 508 watts in push pull.....420 right now with just one fan.....

what I can't understand tho was, at full stress test (RoG Real Bench, I top out at 75C on the CPU..... and under Furmark 40C on the GPUs.... the air was 21.2C and water temps 31.2 .... I lowered the fan profiles and now I'm hitting 45C on Furmark, RoG Real Bench hasn't changed ..... seems to be running hotter still than before

My son is playing War Thunder right now and CPU's 1st 4 cores are 51-60C and 2nd four are 40-46C .... GPU1 is at 98% and 39C, GPU2 is at 20% and 31C ...ambient air is 23.6C and 1st rad is 33.7 / 33.0 in / out and 2nd is 33.0 / 32.1 ...... highest I been able to get the water temp to is 38C under Furmark.

So yes, if ya "do the math" and plan to test ya rig with "stress testing", the rules of thumb go out the window...... if ya doing high end and overclocking and don't wanna go over 1250 rpm .... I'm thinking two 120s for each component.....at 1800 rpm, the rule of thumb seems to work well.

I have 5 x 140 which is just under the equivalent of 6 x 120 and I'm looking to grab just a bit more.
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Question .... just how much louder are the Phanteks fans in push / pull than they are in just push ? Anyone have a way of just shutting one side off and seeing how temps and noise are affected ? I'm finding going from inaudible at 900 rpm to 1200 rpm and noisy just has very little affect on temps.
Have you tried putting 30-40mm spacer blocks under the case to increase airflow area to bottom fans?
Base has only about 90sq cm airflow area to / from bottom fans. A single 120mm fan has about 100sq cm airflow area... a 140mm fan has about 143sq cm airflow area.
post #1792 of 18658
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

What are you going to do with it torn down like that?

I am getting rid of the whole area concerning hdd bays + 5.25" bays then create a new aluminum cover that meets up with the mobo and put two tube reservoirs side by side. No use for HDD's since I'm on NAS and will only be using the 1 SSD mount at the back.

I hope the new added aluminum wall will make up for the case strength lost by removing the 5.25" bays and HDD bay cover.
post #1793 of 18658
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Originally Posted by Radmanhs View Post

ok, so the plastic parts are just the clippy thingies and the rest is metal?  the ups guy will have a hell of a time getting the case to my house ;p but thats just more fun for me 
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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

I find the 120mm per device rule of them a bit weak at the high end .... at least "in theory" ..... after all a 290x overclocked (estimated 350 watts balls to the wall) is a lot different than a 660 ....

Well, it's only a guide. There are exceptions of course.

In the past, you would count CPU's like the 3930K as 2 devices, as well as dual GPU's like the 7990 and GTX 690.

The R9 290X is most likely one of those "count as 2" (or at least 1.5) devices because they run so hot.

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Originally Posted by Roxycon View Post

this, the rest of the drives will fit nativly

Very nice find. That look will match the Phantek perfectly too. So for 4 5.25" bays, you can have 6 cooled 3.5" hard drives.

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Originally Posted by Radmanhs View Post

soooo.... i was thinking of maybe getting this case. it looks amazing in every way except i hear there are problems with the cheap plastic parts. how big of an issue are those parts in general?

From what I can tell, the problem with the clips are the same problem that even owners of the Corsair 900D have. There are just some parts of all cases that have to be made from plastic. I will say that the vast majority of this case is VERY SOLID metal. It doesn't "wrack" like some cases I've worked on, and with the exception of the 1" wide lighted side trim on the right, there really isn't any exposed plastic at all. Yes, some of it is made of plastic, but it is covered in aluminum, so the look isn't really "plasticy" like on my Switch 810s.

Most of the issues that people have (from what I've read) are from shipping. This case is HEAVY, and that usually means there is a higher chance of getting damaged. Thankfully the manufacturer (and if you order from Frozen CPU) are VERY responsive and helpful to replace any damage.

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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

Suggestions.....

1. Inspect the box before carrier leaves.

2. If damaged, open it while he / she is still there.

3. Read the manual with regard to removal of parts...... press clickety things, never pull.

4. Remove dust filter sand don't put back in yntil build completed.

5. When pulling off panels and those plastic pop rivet type thingies.... I attack the removal from both sides..... pinching the rivets together from one side while pulling the panel from the other works well.

Very good suggestions! thumb.gif

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Originally Posted by Radmanhs View Post

ok, so the plastic parts are just the clippy thingies and the rest is metal? the ups guy will have a hell of a time getting the case to my house ;p but thats just more fun for me

No, besides the clips that hold the various metal parts on (like drive bays, filters covers, etc). The bottom feet and filters are plastic. As are the 2 trim pieces on the outside right-hand edge in the front and top that hold the blue LED strips and there the power button is. Finally, the top and front covers are plastic, but they are covered in sheets of aluminum so what you really see is metal.

So yes, this isn't like a $500 Case Labs case that is made of nearly all metal. There is some plastic in it, but IMO, the quality of the plastic is very heavy and well finished. You'd be very hard pressed to SEE a lot of plastic, as compared to many cases. Yes it's there, but it is very beefy. Besides, just because it's plastic, doesn't mean it's cheap. Plastics are used all the time in many things. This stuff seems to be a higher grade, or at least thicker, than stuff I've seen on other cases. Where it is used, you really won't have an issue with it. This case is so massive, once you build it, it will sit there and stay. It is NOT something you want to move around often.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 12/6/13 at 5:13am
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Very nice find. That look will match the Phantek perfectly too. So for 4 5.25" bays, you can have 6 cooled 3.5" hard drives.

I can vouch for those. I've had one for about 6 months and I love it, works like a charm, and allowed me to free up the hdd cage area completely in my Enthoo.

Granted, I don't think it gets much airflow with the front case door closed, but it's not "air tight" so I assume it's getting at least SOME air flow.

One thing to be aware of -- because of the fan built in to the front of the unit, mounted HDDs sit a little far back, so if you have a tight fit with a res mounted on the res mount right behind the 5.25" bay area, it can be tricky getting plugs in and out. But a HDD will fit with SATA + molex next to a mounted Photon 170. But it's tight.
Edited by chrisnyc75 - 12/6/13 at 6:58am
post #1795 of 18658
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'Those' refers to 'this'
Evercool ARMOR Dual 5.25" Drive Bay to Triple 3.5" HDD Cooling Box (HD-AR-R-BK)

http://www.evercool.com.tw/products/hd-ar.htm
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I can vouch for those. I've had one for about 6 months and I love it, works like a charm, and allowed me to free up the hdd cage area completely in my Enthoo.

Granted, I don't think it gets much airflow with the front case door closed, but it's not "air tight" so I assume it's getting at least SOME air flow.

One thing to be aware of -- because of the fan built in to the front of the unit, mounted HDDs sit a little far back, so if you have a tight fit with a res mounted on the res mount right behind the 5.25" bay area, it can be tricky getting plugs in and out. But a HDD will fit with SATA + molex next to a mounted Photon 170. But it's tight.
Did you mount it behind the stock EP grilles? Could you post some pics of it installed?
post #1796 of 18658
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Did you mount it behind the stock EP grilles? Could you post some pics of it installed?

No, you have to take the stock grilles out, then you push the unit in from the front until it sits flush against the front panel.

Sure, I'll post some pics of it tonight. I only have 1 hdd in it right now (my SDDs are mounted on the Enthoo brackets), but I had it full in my last build and it worked like a charm.

(*that small fan in the front of the unit is probably 20mm thick, so your HDDs sit about 20mm farther back than they would mounted on their own; hence, the disclaimer about possible conflict with a large res mounted on the res mount bracket)
Edited by chrisnyc75 - 12/6/13 at 8:03am
post #1797 of 18658
just wondering, what is the thickesf rad you can fit in the top push/pull?
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post #1798 of 18658
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just wondering, what is the thickesf rad you can fit in the top push/pull?

See here:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1418637/phanteks-enthoo-primo-owners-club/1580_20#post_21272556
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post #1799 of 18658
What do you guys think about using a 30mm EX480 with 1200RPM push/pull fans up top and a 60mm RX240 with 1200RPM push/pull fans on the side. Think that will be able to cool a 3770K OC'd to 4.7/8GHz and 2 GTX 780 Classified OC'd to 1293MHz (maybe more)?

Originally I was thinking about going EX480 and RX360, but with my other gear I'm putting in, I can't easily do that (maybe), because the Aquacomputer 880mL reservoir and pump is just so massive, and the GTX 780 Classified cards are so long and tall.

I'm wondering if I should have gone with a 45mm up top, but since I'm going to basically "trash it" by painting it orange, and the EX360 got really good reviews from Martins (saying that it is basically almost as good as the RX) I couldn't see paying x2 the price for something like a UT45.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 12/6/13 at 8:39am
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Originally Posted by Radmanhs View Post

just wondering, what is the thickesf rad you can fit in the top push/pull?

See here:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1418637/phanteks-enthoo-primo-owners-club/1580_20#post_21272556
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cool, the fan on top will still be coverted i assuming? hahaha
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Samsung 830 128gb Seagate 2TB 7200 rpm 64mb cache Seagate 1TB 7200 rpm 64mb cache Swiftech H220-x 
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Kraken G10 Zalman LQ320 (GPU) Windows 7 Pro Asus PB278Q 
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