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Was more interested in about airflow and noise when raised on 30-40mm blocks versus without. wink.gif

Not experiencing any noise at the 850 rpm .... and for whatever reason....temps dropped again on the GPUs .... bet this .... after I raised the OC a bit (to where it 1st was).

I neglected to look at the bottom of the case before doing my build and not enthused about laying it down on its roof. Will let it hang off table edge so I can get a peek at what it looks like.


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I know, my GTX 780 Classified's are 11.0" long.
Unlikely. I already did some mock-up work with a 60mm thick RX240/360 radiator. The Monsta is 80mm thick.

If you did something like that (which is what I was originally planning), you'd most likely lose 3+ expansion slots even with just 1 set of fans. Now granted I'm trying to use an 80mm thick reservoir.

I was going to mount a res horizontally before confirming the 10.5" cards wud fit in SLI....there's a dimension.drawing in Post # 1000. I used a UT60 in the drawing. Whether it would fit with Moinsta would depend on ya MoBo layout.

If using those Slot 7 and 8 for a GFX card w/ waterblock, I'd say no way w/ a Monsta. But a sound card shud be fine. I have my 2nd GFX card using Slot Nos 5 and 6. That leaves Slot Nos 7 and 8 clear but the 1st inch or so of Slot No. 6 is taken up by the 2nd DVI port on the GFX card .... all clear from there on.

I have 5" above the rad (4" above a 2nd set of fans if installed) and 14" of clear length.....monsta would reduce clearance to 3" vertical....so something like an Aqualis and it's 80mm diamater would be a no go


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Look really nice with door open. thumb.gif

It's purely an aesthetic thing.... I installed bright white LEDs from Chine inside the case which you can't see thru the window but ya can see thru the 3 unused slots. Figured a Blue LEDE Phantks fan while spining would block that view. Didn't really care about air flow when closed but upon investigating it would pull air from the sides as there's a big gap bettween the 5.25 bays and the case front ....recirculated case air maybe.

I just noticed thet the grille to the left of the vertical LED strip, in addition to the large and small perforated stuff has a layer of foam on it .... that may solve the aesthetic issue also.


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Your pic is the very reason I often question the purpose behind having a door in the first place. I don't like them because the door hinge on an old case broke and it was a pain in the a$$ whenever I needed access to the panel behind. Aesthetics aside, doors are more trouble than they're worth, IMO. That said, my Primo and the last three cases I bought have all had doors, so I've learned to be carful, but.......

Rant over. I like what you did, Jack; looks awesome.

Yiu can take the door off (4 screws) but the hinges would be left behind and if in closed position would hit a optical drive tray when it comes out if installed in bottom or top slot....aesthetically dissatisfying tho.


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Originally Posted by COMBO2 View Post

By the way, can anyone give me some ideas as to why my temperatures have sort of rised (regardless of fan speed) on my rig?

I'm running about 70 degrees give or take on 100% load for a 3770k @ 4.5GHz (1.275V). It was running @ 60 when I first fired up the build/loop and tested it out.

Same goes for my GTX 780 Ti. It won't go past 40 degrees whereas it was actually sitting around 30 before. As I said, fan speed, 100%, 20%, doesn't affect the temps.

Any ideas?? :S


1. Did you change from DW to "coolant" ? That reportedly can give you as much as a 2C rise but I found no difference.

2. Thermal mass ? I just went thru this.....only thing I changed was fan profile and SLI bridge. But I did notice that if I started out at 862 rpm.... then my GPUs got to 45C ..... turning them back up to full speed did not fully recover...... It takes a looong time (90 minutes) for me to reach that temp tho..... I was thinking my original tests simply didn't run long enough. But I raised the OC and retested starting at 1232 rpm and I got my original temps back.....seems one I had that 2 liters heated up, it was harder for the system to bring it back down.

3. Side panels on / off in both instanced ?

4. What fans are we talking about at 20 - 1--% .... rad fans ? How are you measuring speed ? Is the 12v feed plugged into the fan PCB ?
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 12/7/13 at 10:43am
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1. Did you change from DW to "coolant" ? That reportedly can give you as much as a 2C rise but I found no difference.

2. Thermal mass ? I just went thru this.....only thing I changed was fan profile and SLI bridge. But I did notice that if I started out at 862 rpm.... then my GPUs got to 45C ..... turning them back up to full speed did not fully recover...... It takes a looong time (90 minutes) for me to reach that temp tho..... I was thinking my original tests simply didn't run long enough. But I raised the OC and retested starting at 1232 rpm and I got my original temps back.....seems one I had that 2 liters heated up, it was harder for the system to bring it back down.

3. Side panels on / off in both instanced ?

4. What fans are we talking about at 20 - 1--% .... rad fans ? How are you measuring speed ? Is the 12v feed plugged into the fan PCB ?

Nah just DW.

Thermal mass? So it's better to keep it at a higher overall fan speed then have a fan curve that ramps up more at the high end of heat?

Both on.

8x PH-F140SP fans ranging from about 500 - 2500 RPMs.

I'll try flushing the loop if it becomes an issue. I'm starting to think it's just the higher ambient temps probably and it was really cold when I built the rig.

And it's not like temps are bad. GPU is still running mostly under 40 and the processor is running 60 - 70.
    
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Ok I got my loop setup for leak testing. I apparently didn't order enough 45* fittings so I had to make the loop look a little unappealing until I can replace them. Any suggestions for improvements? biggrin.gif











Anybody think I'll have issues with this bend until I get another 45 fitting?


Also I'm having problems getting rid of this pesky air bubble in the cpu block. Any thoughts?

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Nah just DW.

Thermal mass? So it's better to keep it at a higher overall fan speed then have a fan curve that ramps up more at the high end of heat?

Both on.

8x PH-F140SP fans ranging from about 500 - 2500 RPMs.

I'll try flushing the loop if it becomes an issue. I'm starting to think it's just the higher ambient temps probably and it was really cold when I built the rig.

And it's not like temps are bad. GPU is still running mostly under 40 and the processor is running 60 - 70.

On the mass thing....what I was getting at is starting out I had fans going full tilt..... I'd test for 15-20 minutes minutes and write down numbers...... when i turned down fan speeds to let MoBo control, I was wondering why fans weren't ramping up (GPU was 5C hotter but CPU hadn't change much .... duh) so I tried to bring down temps by manually taking fans up to full speed..... 20 minutes later had only dropped 2C...... let system cool down, and fans at fulll tilt again and it maintained original temps.

How'd you get the Phantekls fans to go at twice their rated speed ?

What I also shuda asked was ....same OCs ? my temps went up when I lowered GPU OC a bit.

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Ok I got my loop setup for leak testing. I apparently didn't order enough 45* fittings so I had to make the loop look a little unappealing until I can replace them. Any suggestions for improvements? biggrin.gif

Anybody think I'll have issues with this bend until I get another 45 fitting?

Also I'm having problems getting rid of this pesky air bubble in the cpu block. Any thoughts?

<=== looks at these pics and runs downstairs to check all parts still there....

-Enthoo Primo .... still there.
-Alphacool 280 ... still there
-Reeven Six Eyes .... still there
-Supremacy CPU block .... still there
-EK Res 3 ... still there

Comments ....


1. I think I'd pull the lower HD cage rather than route tubes thru slots
2. I'd mount the Supremacy one hole above the other ...seems to do better according to testing at extremesystems.
3. Get the block horizontal ....bubble will go up the tube.
4. Consider CPU => Res (top feed) => Pump => Lower rad = GPU => Top rad => CPU
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Hey guys I have a few questions that I didn't see covered throughout this entire thread. This is my first attempt at water cooling so here goes.

1. Everything I've read has shown the front of the case CAN accept a 280mm radiator such as the XT45 barely but it will require slight modification to the 5 1/4 bays due to the height. A 240mm model would fit fine though without any modification. However the Alphacool ST30 is actually slightly shorter than an XT45 240mm and of course much thinner. Seems to me that would fit no? http://www.frozencpu.com/products/22071/ex-rad-658/Alphacool_NexXxoS_ST30_Full_Copper_Slim_Profile_Dual_140mm_Radiator.html?tl=g30c95s930

2. Do you think due to it's thin profile either the 280 or 240mm version could fit behind the hard drive caddies while still being able to keep the drives? ( I know the XT and especially the UT versions perform much better than this ST but it appears between 600-1000rpm it performs neck and neck with the other two and in scenarios where I couldn't fit the UT60 anyways, it's not too far off of the XT45's performance at 1400rpm. http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/05/01/alphacool-nexxxos-st30-360-radiator/4/ )

4. That of course brings me to the question that may answer all of the above. What rpm's do you guys like to try and run your fans at? i will be cooling an 4770k and 2 R9 290's all overclocked. I would of course like to try and cool all three as quietly as possible. I will be most likely throwing an XT45 420mm up top and depending on your opinions for my above questions, may put an UT60 280mm in the bottom. If that's not enough cooling than I'll investigate putting a 240/280mm in the front of the case or behind the hard drive cages. I could of course use a 360mm in the bottom of the case but I'm thinking the difference between that and the 280mm shouldn't bee "too" much and oddly I'd like to stick with 140's all the way around if possible.

Your opinions on my setup is welcome. All radiator's will be in a push/pull configuration where possible. From everything I've read tje case fans do a nice job so will probably be using them on the radiator's. I did see the comment about the case fans but having the rubber spacers that come with the ones purchased separately.
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On the mass thing....what I was getting at is starting out I had fans going full tilt..... I'd test for 15-20 minutes minutes and write down numbers...... when i turned down fan speeds to let MoBo control, I was wondering why fans weren't ramping up (GPU was 5C hotter but CPU hadn't change much .... duh) so I tried to bring down temps by manually taking fans up to full speed..... 20 minutes later had only dropped 2C...... let system cool down, and fans at fulll tilt again and it maintained original temps.

How'd you get the Phantekls fans to go at twice their rated speed ?

What I also shuda asked was ....same OCs ? my temps went up when I lowered GPU OC a bit.
<=== looks at these pics and runs downstairs to check all parts still there....

-Enthoo Primo .... still there.
-Alphacool 280 ... still there
-Reeven Six Eyes .... still there
-Supremacy CPU block .... still there
-EK Res 3 ... still there

Comments ....


1. I think I'd pull the lower HD cage rather than route tubes thru slots
2. I'd mount the Supremacy one hole above the other ...seems to do better according to testing at extremesystems.
3. Get the block horizontal ....bubble will go up the tube.
4. Consider CPU => Res (top feed) => Pump => Lower rad = GPU => Top rad => CPU

Haha I told you I basically copied 80% of your build! I need more than 4 3.5" hard drive slots so for now I'll keep the bottom cage. I can definitely mount one above the other, does it matter if in is above out, or the other way? I've tried putting the block horizontal but the bubble keeps coming back. For the top feed res, I can't do that because I don't have that tube thing that goes inside of it, so it will be a lot of air being pushed into the loop.
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Haha I told you I basically copied 80% of your build! I need more than 4 3.5" hard drive slots so for now I'll keep the bottom cage. I can definitely mount one above the other, does it matter if in is above out, or the other way? I've tried putting the block horizontal but the bubble keeps coming back. For the top feed res, I can't do that because I don't have that tube thing that goes inside of it, so it will be a lot of air being pushed into the loop.

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Hey guys I have a few questions that I didn't see covered throughout this entire thread. This is my first attempt at water cooling so here goes.

1. Everything I've read has shown the front of the case CAN accept a 280mm radiator such as the XT45 barely but it will require slight modification to the 5 1/4 bays due to the height. A 240mm model would fit fine though without any modification. However the Alphacool ST30 is actually slightly shorter than an XT45 240mm and of course much thinner. Seems to me that would fit no? http://www.frozencpu.com/products/22071/ex-rad-658/Alphacool_NexXxoS_ST30_Full_Copper_Slim_Profile_Dual_140mm_Radiator.html?tl=g30c95s930

2. Do you think due to it's thin profile either the 280 or 240mm version could fit behind the hard drive caddies while still being able to keep the drives? ( I know the XT and especially the UT versions perform much better than this ST but it appears between 600-1000rpm it performs neck and neck with the other two and in scenarios where I couldn't fit the UT60 anyways, it's not too far off of the XT45's performance at 1400rpm. http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/05/01/alphacool-nexxxos-st30-360-radiator/4/ )

4. That of course brings me to the question that may answer all of the above. What rpm's do you guys like to try and run your fans at? i will be cooling an 4770k and 2 R9 290's all overclocked. I would of course like to try and cool all three as quietly as possible. I will be most likely throwing an XT45 420mm up top and depending on your opinions for my above questions, may put an UT60 280mm in the bottom. If that's not enough cooling than I'll investigate putting a 240/280mm in the front of the case or behind the hard drive cages. I could of course use a 360mm in the bottom of the case but I'm thinking the difference between that and the 280mm shouldn't bee "too" much and oddly I'd like to stick with 140's all the way around if possible.

Your opinions on my setup is welcome. All radiator's will be in a push/pull configuration where possible. From everything I've read tje case fans do a nice job so will probably be using them on the radiator's. I did see the comment about the case fans but having the rubber spacers that come with the ones purchased separately.


Manual says 240, no 280 ....see pages 25-27

I have twin 780s overclocked 32% .... which I imagine will result in similar power consumption, maybe little less heat than your 290x's since the max OC I have seen on them (past uber mode) is about 7%. I also have the 4770k at 4.6 Ghz.....

I have a 280 on bottom and 420 on top and I can maintain a delta T of 10C with just 5 of the Phanteks fans in push at 1225 rpm .... max GPU Temp with fans full speed is 40C .... I generally run them at about 600-700 which lets temps on GPU climb to 45-46 under Furmark. Under RoG Real Bench, I can get CPU temp to 75C at 4.6 Ghz (fans climb to about 1000 rpm as PWM brings fans up with CPU temp).....no reductions in ring bus speed or anything else.

I was thinking I'd be adding a 2nd set of fans in pull and then figuring out how I was gonna squeeze in that rad in front.....At this point, due tot he performance I am seeing with just the 5 Phanteks fans, i see no reason to add anything. Outside of stress testing, I haven't had CPU past 60C or GPus above 35ish.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 12/8/13 at 12:47am
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Manual says 240, no 280 ....see pages 25-27

I have twin 780s overclocked 32% .... which I imagine will result in similar power consumption, maybe little less heat than your 290x's since the max OC I have seen on them (past uber mode) is about 7%. I also have the 4770k at 4.6 Ghz.....

I have a 280 on bottom and 420 on top and I can maintain a delta T of 10C with just 5 of the Phanteks fans in push at 1225 rpm .... max GPU Temp with fans full speed is 40C .... I generally run them at about 600-700 which lets temps on GPU climb to 45-46 under Furmark. Under RoG Real Bench, I can get CPU temp to 75C at 4.6 Ghz (fans climb to about 1000 rpm as PWM brings fans up with CPU temp).....no reductions in ring bus speed or anything else.

I was thinking I'd be adding a 2nd set of fans in pull and then figuring out how I was gonna squeeze in that rad in front.....At this point, due tot he performance I am seeing with just the 5 Phanteks fans, i see no reason to add anything. Outside of stress testing, I haven't had CPU past 60C or GPus above 35ish.

I know what the manual says but I just remember jess stating a 280 could fit with slight modification to the 5 1/4 bay due to their height. However the ST30 280mm is actually shorter than a XT45 240mm which fits naturally so it seems to me the ST30 should fit as well unless there's something else I'm not factoring in.

Everything I've read has shown the 780's draw far less watts than a 290/290x. Most people are seeing 350-400w+ on their OC'ed 290's. Iirc the 780 was more in the 250-300w range(correct me if I'm wrong).

That's good to know though that you can save a bit of money by not needing to purchase 5 more fans and possibly another radiator. Guess I'd be wise to try a similar pull setup first before dumping more money on fans i may not need.
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Btw Jack I must say your build turned out amazing. I was looking at using the M6F as well. I don't suppose you took notes on the parts you used/dimensions of your cuts/etc so someone can make a similar build lol? I'd understand if you'd want to keep your unique. i just saw it and knew that's exactly how I'd like my first WC build to end up looking like.
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<=== looks at these pics and runs downstairs to check all parts still there....

-Enthoo Primo .... still there.
-Alphacool 280 ... still there
-Reeven Six Eyes .... still there
-Supremacy CPU block .... still there
-EK Res 3 ... still there

Comments ....


1. I think I'd pull the lower HD cage rather than route tubes thru slots
2. I'd mount the Supremacy one hole above the other ...seems to do better according to testing at extremesystems.
3. Get the block horizontal ....bubble will go up the tube.
4. Consider CPU => Res (top feed) => Pump => Lower rad = GPU => Top rad => CPU

Wait tip you see mine, Jack. They will be very, very similar, but look a lot different due to my fittings and soft tubing. I did steal a few of your ideas but most of it was just by chance. And arriving at some of the same conclusions as you after discussing things in this thread that made me decide to go one way or another.

Speaking of the CPU block, did you use the J2 jet? The EK manual with the block says you should use it for Haswell, and I think you have a 4770k as I do. The jet really made the block noticeably bowed out. I know that's by design but I'm curious if you used that J2 jet and noticed the same concave shape to face of the block.

I'm getting ready to finally turn my loop on for the first time. Getting a little nervous about the all of the little foreign objects that could have gotten into the loop. I was really careful and rinsed everything, etc, but I know there were plenty of opportunities for a little dust or a tiny piece of chipped off rubber tubing or whatever else to get in there undetected. Not to mention the radiators. I hope I flushed them enough. I feel like I could have rinsed and repeated for days and still gotten a tiny bit of particulates coming out each time. I'm sure the loop isn't completely clean, but I'm just gonna hope that some tiny pieces of debris can live in there and not do damage. I will obviously do some flushes before adding the Mayhems concentrate, too. And maybe the Primochill Sysprep will help a bit.

Fingers crossed this thing will run well and never leak! Midway teaser:

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