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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Really Sunreeper, the size difference is only 1.575" deeper and 1.97" taller. Width is the same.. well 0.059" wider.. biggrin.gif

lol! You keep saying 'only' and I keep thinking 'wow, it's that much!'.

The 900D is 14% larger than the Enthoo Primo in square ft/cm. When you're cramming as much stuff into these boxes as we put into them, the extra 1/2 sq ft the 900D has can make a big difference.

I couldn't count how many times I wish I had just an extra centimeter or two of room in the Enthoo Primo, much less an inch or more that the 900D has. If the Enthoo Tweede (lol) is more than a cm larger in any direction I know I'll be pre-ordering it.

The main thing the Enthoo Primo has is it's better thought out design definitely does allow you to make much better use of the space available. Just take a look at the hoops people have to jump through in their 900D build logs to get things to look / work out right. With the Enthoo Primo it's ready-to-go out of the box.
post #2102 of 18642
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Originally Posted by Unicr0nhunter View Post

lol! You keep saying 'only' and I keep thinking 'wow, it's that much!'.

The 900D is 14% larger than the Enthoo Primo in square ft/cm. When you're cramming as much stuff into these boxes as we put into them, the extra 1/2 sq ft the 900D has can make a big difference.

I couldn't count how many times I wish I had just an extra centimeter or two of room in the Enthoo Primo, much less an inch or more that the 900D has. If the Enthoo Tweede (lol) is more than a cm larger in any direction I know I'll be pre-ordering it.

The main thing the Enthoo Primo has is it's better thought out design definitely does allow you to make much better use of the space available. Just take a look at the hoops people have to jump through in their 900D build logs to get things to look / work out right. With the Enthoo Primo it's ready-to-go out of the box.
1/2 sq ft?? Is there a 3rd dimension in it somewhere? biggrin.gif

I think an extra 20mm in width and 40mm in depth would be very nice.
20mm width for 140 width radiators
40mm depth for longer GPUs.

Enthoo Tweede will be 270x690x600mm. Is that acceptable?

Oh! Increase the base thickness by 10mm with 6x 30mm duel wheel castors on the bottom. biggrin.gif.
post #2103 of 18642
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

1/2 sq ft?? Is here a 3rd dimension here? biggrin.gif

Going by your measurements
900D is 3.98 sq ft
Enthoo Primo is 3.43 sq ft.
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I think an extra 20mm in width and 40mm in depth would be very nice.
20mm width for 140 width radiators
40mm depth for longer GPUs.

Enthoo Tweede will be 270x690x600mm. Is that acceptable?

That would be better, but I could care less about 140mm rads. Tried 'em. Hate 'em.

I'd want that 40mm taller (hehe, you notice you added 40mm to the height dimension instead of to the length tongue.gif ) so I can put a monsta 480 in the top in p/p that doesn't overhang the mobo. Another 40mm length for longer GPUs would be cool too, although it wouldn't be so much for longer GPUs but rather for fitting a tube res with longer GPUs. I'd take the extra 20mm of width just for the heck of it. Maybe then 360/480 wouldn't be such a tight fit down in the bottom.

So my vote for Enthoo Tweede would be: 270x690x640mm

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Oh! Increase the base thickness by 10mm with 6x 30mm duel wheel castors on the bottom. biggrin.gif.

Most definitely! biggrin.gifthumb.gif

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Actually, I'd like to see a completely redesigned Enthoo Tweede. What a dumb sounding name, but that's 'Enthoo Second' in Dutch so I figure that might well be the name if there is one. Took me long enough to get used to 'Enthoo Primo'.

I'd like to see there be room in the bottom so a monsta 480 rad can be mounted sideways so airflow goes through the case from one side to the other (then you wouldn't need to raise the case feet for airflow which is desperately needed in the Primo), then put the PSU behind a shroud at the top of the mobo just like it is now in the bottom of the Primo. And make the case tall enough to put a monsta in the top w/o overhanging the mobo and deep enough to have enough room to fit a thick tube res to the right of the mobo with cards as long as 290mm if not longer.

And I'd like to see a better design than the push-click things to remove the filters. Maybe the same but more heavy-duty? I dunno. I've been through two of them already (and so have others here) and have little-to-no faith they are going to last years. I'm worried every time I remove a filter now whether it's going to go back or not and don't want to have to deal with support again. It took me more than a week of back and forth emails (and they were VERY slow to respond - I had to wait more than a full weekday twice for a reply and both times didn't get one until I messaged back a second time in a row asking wassup?) before they finally agreed to ship me two of those things, and all that time my front fan grill couldn't be put back on. They made the process about as pleasurable as pulling teeth. If those things were available separately I'd buy a dozen of them right now.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 12/26/13 at 12:29pm
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On the Enthoo Two (my guess! lol), I'd like to see 85mm clearance between the top of the motherboard and the top of the case, so that a 60mm rad + 25mm fan would fit without question, regardless of ram height, vrm heatsink, etc.

I'd like to be able to switch the front panel door hinge to the other side without having to reinvent the wheel to do it.

And that stupid lower lip on the reservoir mount has to go, obviously.

Otherwise, I think the EP is kinda perfect.

You have to be careful how many "improvements" you want.... .20mm here, plus 7mm there, plus an extra inch on the other side.... it all adds up, and before you know it we're back to a Cosmos-like monstrosity. IMO the Enthoo's biggest advantage is that it allows you to do SO MUCH in a relatively small sleek space.
Edited by chrisnyc75 - 12/26/13 at 12:23pm
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Actually, I'd like to see a completely redesigned Enthoo Tweede. What a dumb sounding name, but that's 'Enthoo Second' in Dutch so I figure that might well be the name if there is one. Took me long enough to get used to 'Enthoo Primo'.
I think Enthoo Primo has a place as is with a few simple mods and improvements. Maybe Phanteks should make a bigger water cooling case to address these bigger radiators and GPUs.
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I'd like to see there be room in the bottom so a monsta 480 rad can be mounted sideways so airflow goes through the case from one side to the other (then you wouldn't need to raise the case feet for airflow which is desperately needed in the Primo), then put the PSU behind a shroud at the top of the mobo just like it is now in the bottom of the Primo. And make the case tall enough to put a monsta in the top w/o overhanging the mobo and deep enough to have enough room to fit a thick tube res to the right of the mobo with cards as long as 290mm if not longer..
Interesting idea,but where would PSU go? I wonder if PSU could be fit in back behind radiator.. or maybe with cables facing up and switch on bottom?
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And I'd like to see a better design than the push-click things to remove the filters. Maybe the same but more heavy-duty? I dunno. I've been through two of them already and have little-to-no faith they are going to last years. I'm worried every time I remove a filter now whether it's going to go back or not and don't want to have to deal with support again. It took me more than a week of back and forth emails (and they were VERY slow to respond - I had to wait more than a full weekday twice for a reply and both times didn't get one until I messaged back a second time in a row asking wassup?) before they finally agreed to ship me two of those things, and all that time my front fan grill couldn't be put back on. They made the process about as pleasurable as pulling teeth. If they were available separately I'd buy a dozen of them right now.
I'm having no problems with the push-click latches... knock on wood.

Every time I've contacted Phanteks I've had quick replies.. well once it got lost in cyberspace and I had to contact them a second time. But I do know they are kinda hit-n-miss at times. Hopefully they will solve that problem soon.
post #2106 of 18642
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On the Enthoo Two (my guess! lol), I'd like to see 85mm clearance between the top of the motherboard and the top of the case, so that a 60mm rad + 25mm fan would fit without question, regardless of ram height, vrm heatsink, etc.

I'd like to be able to switch the front panel door hinge to the other side without having to reinvent the wheel to do it.

And that stupid lower lip on the reservoir mount has to go, obviously.

Otherwise, I think the EP is kinda perfect.

You have to be careful how many "improvements" you want.... .20mm here, plus 7mm there, plus an extra inch on the other side.... it all adds up, and before you know it we're back to a Cosmos-like monstrosity. IMO the Enthoo's biggest advantage is that it allows you to do SO MUCH in a relatively small sleek space.
I agree.
I don't even want it taller.
Could see the bottom being re-designed with castors.. maybe with replaceable tall feet.. lower inside bottom down approx 20mm to allow added space at top. That would solve the bottom airflow problem and give more top radiator room with a 30mm increase in height.
post #2107 of 18642
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[...] I'd like to see there be room in the bottom so a monsta 480 rad can be mounted sideways so airflow goes through the case from one side to the other (then you wouldn't need to raise the case feet for airflow which is desperately needed in the Primo), then put the PSU behind a shroud at the top of the mobo just like it is now in the bottom of the Primo. And make the case tall enough to put a monsta in the top w/o overhanging the mobo and deep enough to have enough room to fit a thick tube res to the right of the mobo with cards as long as 290mm if not longer. [...]
[...]
Interesting idea,but where would PSU go? I wonder if PSU could be fit in back behind radiator.. or maybe with cables facing up and switch on bottom?
[...]

In bold. I guess you missed it or maybe I wasn't clear enough.

I think the side mounted rad in the bottom (like a 900D or a caselabs or little devil, etc) is way better design for air flow/temps, that way you're not intaking heated air from the rad into the case or trying to exhaust it out the bottom only to have it raising the ambient all around the case.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 12/26/13 at 12:49pm
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post #2109 of 18642
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You both are really convincing me to go with the primo but there's two things that still draw me to the 900d. One it's so big and roomy one thing I don't like about the primo is that some builds look a little squished in the primo. Now some people may like that look but it doesn't appeal to me I want a little more room. The second thing that attracts me to the 900d is that I really really want a flipped motherboard tray so that the GPUs face up and the CPU faces down and that'll be easier on the 900d because it's flat. I still need to find somebody that can make a motherboard tray because if they could make a flipped one for the primo that would be amazing!

An inverted mobo isn't possible. You're not thinking about it hard enough. You can't just flip it upside-down. The whole case would have to be redesigned in a mirror image so you get to the motherboard from the right side of the case instead. The same goes for a 900D.

You'll need to get something like a Caselabs or Little Devil or a Lian Li (just a few that come to mind) that has a reverse mobo tray option.
post #2110 of 18642
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[...] I'd like to see there be room in the bottom so a monsta 480 rad can be mounted sideways so airflow goes through the case from one side to the other (then you wouldn't need to raise the case feet for airflow which is desperately needed in the Primo), then put the PSU behind a shroud at the top of the mobo just like it is now in the bottom of the Primo. And make the case tall enough to put a monsta in the top w/o overhanging the mobo and deep enough to have enough room to fit a thick tube res to the right of the mobo with cards as long as 290mm if not longer. [...]
[...]
Interesting idea,but where would PSU go? I wonder if PSU could be fit in back behind radiator.. or maybe with cables facing up and switch on bottom?
[...]

In bold. I guess you missed it or maybe I wasn't clear enough.
I missed it. redface.gif

That would mean increasing the height of case above the motherboard to accommodate the PSU... which would make it plenty tall enough for monsta to fit above motherboard. Of course the 480 on bottom sideways would allow motherboard to be lowered some.. not sure how tall it would end up being.

Tomorrow I have to start testing a new cooler for CYRORIG. Their R1 Ultimate arrive the 24th and they want my results ASAP. Than have to build another castor base for a 540. Busy, busy, busy. thumb.gif
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