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What I was thinking about doing was to run it as push, and then use the 3 supplied Phanteks fans above it in the little fan-compartment, or the other way around. Would that be possible or?
Edited by Maldark - 1/16/14 at 9:44am
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What I was thinking about doing was to run it as push, and then use the 3 supplied Phanteks fans above it in the little fan-compartment, or the other way around. Would that be possible or?

You really wanna keep the fans the same
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post #2523 of 18695
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You really wanna keep the fans the same

Just seems to be a shame for them to be wasted like that tongue.gif But ye aight, i'll mount the 4 in pull then, thanks smile.gif
Edited by Maldark - 1/16/14 at 10:00am
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Just seems to be a shame for them to be wasted like that tongue.gif But ye aight, i'll mount the 4 in pull then, thanks smile.gif

Drill the case, takes 5 minutes (ill even give you the propper drill bit if you want lol)
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post #2525 of 18695
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What I was thinking about doing was to run it as push, and then use the 3 supplied Phanteks fans above it in the little fan-compartment, or the other way around. Would that be possible or?
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You really wanna keep the fans the same

Actually not necessarily. I will link here a post by Martin on the subject:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1367654/swiftech-h220-h320-and-cm-glacer-240l-360l-owners-club/7640#post_21192812

Before ordering any other parts/fans Maldark try to set up the way you want (3x140 mm on top and whatever 120 mm fan on the bottom the way you imagined). I personally tested the front 140 mm along with GT AP15 in front and there is no noise or bad effect on mixing the two fans. Latter I changed to 2 x AP14 and 2x ap15 in front just because I want to use all 4 140mm Phanteks on the 280 mm at the bottom of the case.
Edited by Gabrielzm - 1/16/14 at 10:26am
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Agreed, but I have to run push as I wanted to see my fans smile.gif


Understood bro thumb.gif
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post #2527 of 18695
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What I was thinking about doing was to run it as push, and then use the 3 supplied Phanteks fans above it in the little fan-compartment, or the other way around. Would that be possible or?

You really wanna keep the fans the same

Mixing fans in push-pull isn't a big deal. Martin (of martinsliquidlabs) even encourages it: (edit: Gabrielzm beat me to it wink.gif )
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Absolutely, I encourage mixing of fans and have done it many times. The mixing fan phobia generate by forum members is really just another forum myth by users not knowing. I have yet to see any testing to show it being a problem. Actually I have found mixing two different fans to be a benefit at times. When testing the H220 I found two AP15s plus two Helix to be a great match. The helix alone seemed to have a little harmonic under pressure in push only that goes away and smooths out when the GTs were added. Also anytime you mix like fan speeds you can get rpm harmonics so having fans at speeds that are a few hundred off is a good thing.

Noctua even does mixing of fans and speeds on their NH-D14.

While it may not make sense to mix 5000rpm Deltas with 1200rpm yates, I sure wouldn't worry about 500rpm differences particularly when resistance like a radiator is keeping air flows well below either fans max air flow rate. Mixing fans is a good thing..smile.gif


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Well i put the fans on top of my rad that way no worries about plug,and from what ive read pull works better than push in almost all cases

FWIW, Martin's findings were that pull tends to work a little better at low speeds and push a little better at high speeds, and everything in the middle doesn't really matter either way, but in all instances push-pull, if you have room for it / can afford the extra fans, will provide substantial performance gains. ...
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Push Vs Pull - This depends on fan speed/power. The high speed fans at 2000RPM with a 38mm fan thickness provided the best performance in a push condition. The slow speed fans with 1350RPM with a 25mm fan thickness provided the best performance in a pull condition. I would estimate that performance line is likely to cross in the 1500-1700RPM range where they are equal. So.... slow speed = pull, high speed = push, medium speed = it doesn't really matter.

2 fans Push/Pull vs others - It was very clear that when using two fans per radiator section, that the radiator intself acts as a flow spreader and provided great benefit to straightening out the air for the second fan in a push/pull configuration. Just like doubling up with a pump, there is a pressure benefit to doubling up on fans and this translates to about a 20-30% performance gain. The added fan pressure simply means and added gain in air flow and corresponding performance. None of the experimental pull/pull or push/push configurations provided any noteworthy benefit as it seams the air is simply too disturbed from the first fan to allow the second to perform properly when air is moving. I would always recommend a push/pull configuration for two fans and add a shroud to both sides if space allows.

It's worth noting here though that there are some fans, for example like the Noiseblocker eLoop, that are not designed to be used in pull.

Also, re: that last little bit in that quote from Martin where he recommends using a shroud, he debunked his shroud findings in a follow-up test where he used multiple radiators instead of just one. Sometimes there's gains to be had from using a shroud, and sometimes there's not.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 1/16/14 at 11:52am
post #2528 of 18695
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Agreed, but I have to run push as I wanted to see my fans smile.gif


If I'm seeing your setup correctly you have every single fan set to exhaust air OUT OF your case....which is a very extreme negative pressure setup. You're gonna want to watch out for dust inside your components, it's almost guaranteed to become a problem.

What happens in those extreme negative pressure setups is that there's such an imbalance of airflow that air enters the case through any crack or crevice it can find, most of which are unfiltered. After a number of weeks you should start seeing a buildup of dust.... in a few months it will probably become an issue. Just fyi. Keep an eye on it. All those beautiful clean lines won't look so cute covered in dust. wink.gif

p.s. reversing all of those fans would be a much better idea. That would create an extreme POSITIVE pressure situation where there's more air being pushed INTO the case than being exhausted out of it. In that case, air escapes OUT OF the case through any crack or crevice it can find, that way no unfiltered air ever enters the case at all (meaning NO DUST). If I were you, I'd paint the fan blades blood red so those colored rings don't even matter. smile.gif
post #2529 of 18695
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Originally Posted by chrisnyc75 View Post

If I'm seeing your setup correctly you have every single fan set to exhaust air OUT OF your case....which is a very extreme negative pressure setup. You're gonna want to watch out for dust inside your components, it's almost guaranteed to become a problem.

What happens in those extreme negative pressure setups is that there's such an imbalance of airflow that air enters the case through any crack or crevice it can find, most of which are unfiltered. After a number of weeks you should start seeing a buildup of dust.... in a few months it will probably become an issue. Just fyi. Keep an eye on it. All those beautiful clean lines won't look so cute covered in dust. wink.gif

p.s. reversing all of those fans would be a much better idea. That would create an extreme POSITIVE pressure situation where there's more air being pushed INTO the case than being exhausted out of it. In that case, air escapes OUT OF the case through any crack or crevice it can find, that way no unfiltered air ever enters the case at all (meaning NO DUST).

You are correct, but I think he went for the looks rather than airflow function. I mean, it looks darn sexy...
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You are correct, but I think he went for the looks rather than airflow function. I mean, it looks darn sexy...

Agreed. But it'll be a shame in a couple months to see all that sexiness covered in a layer of dust.

At the very least I'd recommend filtering the rear grate and front fans so the most obvious air intakes are somewhat clean.

As an alternative, some red Phobya e-loops would look amazing in there, AND be better for airflow.
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