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Well I just got my Primo and it arrived unscathed. The case is awesome but when people said it was big they weren't kidding. I'm very much looking forward to building in this case.

I don't know what Linus was smoking when he said the fans were cheap and had a lot of flex to them. Either I'm as weak as Mr. Burns or he possesses super human strength 'cause I tried flexing them and they do not flex in the least.
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Lol @ linus with super strength. That'd be a site to see.
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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post


-for the time being remove the covers for slots 1-3 and easily move sensors around.
-Put a 140mm fan in slots 1-3 for the dog days of summer.
That's been addressed int he last twp pages.....a UT60 will fit 99% of the time..... however, on a good number of boards, the extra 15mm will make some things a bit "inconvenient"

1. If ya look at the Modzoo review, they swapped out the 60 for a 45mm , one reason being access to the 8 pin EPS cable .... I had the same issue on the Asus M6F.
2. It completely blocked access to the MPCIE combo card thingie
3. Made the access to the MoBo Water Block port a bit tight
4. Made access to CPU fan headers a bit tight
5. Blocked view of the MoBo LCD diagnostic panel
6. Blocked access to the voltage monitoring points.

See FAQ - http://themodzoo.com/forum/index.php?/page/articles.html/_/reviews/cases/phanteks-enthoo-primo-full-tower-review-r67?pg=8

In addition, a 480 will

a. not allow you to have the ports in the front
b. not allow you to have top bleed fill ports w/ drilling out the case
c. render the top drive bay unusable
d. not allow you to use the excellent Phanteks fans that come with the case for Rad cooling

On the other hand, a 420 will allow all of those things and it will provide more cooling capacity than a 480.

XT45-480 = 245 watts in push and 296 watts in push / pull @ 1250 rpm
UT60-480 = 251 watts in push and 303 watts in push / pull @ 1250 rpm

XT45-420 = 250 watts in push and 302 watts in push / pull @ 1250 rpm
UT60-420 = 256 watts in push and 309 watts in push / pull @ 1250 rpm

So here's an interesting comparison ..... in push / pull

The UT60-480 ($120) gives ya 303 watts in push / pull and ya gotta buy 8 fans (say $15 each) for a total cost of $240 ($0.79 per watt)
The XT45-420 ($85) gives ya 302 watts in push / pull and ya only gotta buy 6 fans (say $15 each) for a total cost of $175 ($0.58 per watt)

So for the same level of cooling:

-Ya save $65 (27% per watt)
-Ya eliminate potential issues 1. thru 6. if they apply to you
-Ya eliminate problems a. thru d.
A Monsta fits....watch Jesse and Bill's video on Modzoo. Though s 280 + 420 is just push more than enough for twin SLI and twin CF (well maybe not 290x/290) and a Haswell at 4.6GHz. As you'll note above, extra thickness does very, very little .... your delta T will be so low that the 21C air entering even a 30mm is just about at the coolant temperature by the time it exits......extra depth when the air is already close to 30C and the water's at 31C doesn't really do much.

At 1250 rpm .....

ST30-480 - 291
XT45-480 - 296 (50% more rad for +1.7% performance increase)
UT60-480 - 303 (33% more rad for +2.4% performance increase)
Monsta-480 - 318 (43% more rad for +4.9% performance increase)
Look at the 1st post and Jesse's FAQ on Modzoo, but as I recall no 240 in the front if you have a 480. And also no HD cages with a Rad and fans on the side mount. Also see page 22 on the manual.

1. FrozenCPU.com for the custom cables but they have sets pre-made in red and white for Corsair ..... can also have Lutro do them.... tho FCPU sells Lutro stuff, you might have to go direct for Lutro custom cables.

http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g2/c413/s1599/list/p1/Cables-PSU_Cables-PSU_Cable_Sets-Page1.html

2. I have:

(5 soon to be 10) )Rad fans on one PCB
(5 soon to be 6) case Fans on the other PCB

So, would you guys recommend to me that I get a 420 in the top, probably 45mm thick, and have a 480 monsta in the bottom? Or should I use a 60mm thick 480 in the bottom? In case it matters, I will be cooling two 780 ti's (though I may just go with 780s) and a 4770k (was going to do a 4930k but decided against it). And for the motherboard I will be using the Asus Maximus VI Formula.
Also, does anyone know if the fans on the white version of the case have white LEDs in the front? If so that would be pretty awesome. It seems that the white version may not be released soon? That really sucks, as I was hoping to get that model and base my color scheme around it. Oh, and while I am talking fans, I am unsure of how what to do. Should I just buy more of the included fans, or get a lot of Corsair SP 120's? It would probably look silly to have two different fans that are visible.
And I gotta say that the Reeven 6 Eyes fan controller looks pretty damn cool.. I wonder how it would look with a dual bay res..
post #2984 of 18896
Finally back off site and back home after a week and a bit with no internet connection! Looks like i've missed loads here!
Lots of very nice pics of new rigs been put up, if you want to be added to the owners club gallery,
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkQu-gDSL98FdEQtNnVITTVSdmd6QTRFV0MtQkR1YkE&usp=sharing
and have the club sig, PM me your info or post it here and i'll get it all uploaded
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Don't give up. These kinds of issues are not the norm. For every one like these there are many received with no damage at all and the few that do have issues with front latch or whatever Phanteks customer service has sent immediate replacements, usually received in less than a week.




I agree, Mine came undamaged, however the box had a couple of dents, but like I said the case was unaffected. I have purchased the latches as a precaution, because guys were having issues with them, and I just like having extra of everything.
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post #2986 of 18896
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

Don't give up. These kinds of issues are not the norm. For every one like these there are many received with no damage at all and the few that do have issues with front latch or whatever Phanteks customer service has sent immediate replacements, usually received in less than a week.

Thanks. tongue.gif I'll be getting it from Amazon if I get it. So really no worries, I just don't like the idea of having to go through multiple cases just to get one that's not damaged. currently debating between the 900d, this case and completely going crazy on my air 540.

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I agree, Mine came undamaged, however the box had a couple of dents, but like I said the case was unaffected. I have purchased the latches as a precaution, because guys were having issues with them, and I just like having extra of everything.

Thanks!
post #2987 of 18896
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So, would you guys recommend to me that I get a 420 in the top, probably 45mm thick, and have a 480 monsta in the bottom? Or should I use a 60mm thick 480 in the bottom? In case it matters, I will be cooling two 780 ti's (though I may just go with 780s) and a 4770k (was going to do a 4930k but decided against it). And for the motherboard I will be using the Asus Maximus VI Formula.
Also, does anyone know if the fans on the white version of the case have white LEDs in the front? If so that would be pretty awesome. It seems that the white version may not be released soon? That really sucks, as I was hoping to get that model and base my color scheme around it. Oh, and while I am talking fans, I am unsure of how what to do. Should I just buy more of the included fans, or get a lot of Corsair SP 120's? It would probably look silly to have two different fans that are visible.
And I gotta say that the Reeven 6 Eyes fan controller looks pretty damn cool.. I wonder how it would look with a dual bay res..

I would definitely get more Phanteks fans. They are far and away superior to Corsair SP's. The SP's are a very average fan in terms of noise an performance, but they're popular because people like the rings and they're a decent price. However, they don't make a 120 version of this fan. I'd personally go with the Phanteks on the 420 in the top, and if you must get a 480 for the bottom, then use something like the Noiseblocker eLoops, which are some of the best 120mm fans available and they don't look too different from the Phanteks. Same color scheme at least.

Anyway, the 420 in top and 480 in bottom is way overkill. I understand doing it for looks or just because it's badass, but you really don't need that much rad. You could do a 420 in top and a 280 (or 240, or 360) in the bottom and the temps would be about the same. I have a 45mm 420 in top and a 60mm 280 in bottom (and the thicker 280 is only for looks as thicker rads don't really perform much better, if at all, and just restricts the air flow more). I have an OC'd 4770k and OC'd GTX 780 and the temps are incredibly low, even with super quiet fan speeds while under full load. Jack Naylor has the same setup but with SLI 780's and still gets incredibly low temps. With the side "wall" inside the case, you don't even see the whole radiator if it's more than 2 fans long anyway, so unless you look up close, my 280 in the bottom may as well be a 560. If you just like the looks then that's cool and you wouldn't be the first to go for a ton of cooling redundancy, but I think you'll be well past the point of diminishing returns, where you might not really see any better temps than with a radiator half the size in the bottom.

Just thought I'd mention that in case you want to save some money and you'd also be able to do the same thing Jack and I (and others) have done with removing the bottom drive cage to mount a pump down under there since you wouldn't have the long radiator in the way. I'd go for that kind of setup and a tube res on the built in res bracket, but that's just more of my opinion, which is biased since that's exactly what I have (250mm EK tube res, 280 bottom, 420 top, and pump mounted in lower drive cage area). I'd avoid the bay res, personally. Also, the Reeven Six Eyes is definitely good, but you wouldn't see it or the bay res normally, unless you plan to remove the door or mod it somehow.
post #2988 of 18896
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Originally Posted by ADragg View Post

However, they don't make a 120 version of this fan.
Luckily the 120 versions are coming out soon.
post #2989 of 18896
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Originally Posted by ADragg View Post

I would definitely get more Phanteks fans. They are far and away superior to Corsair SP's. The SP's are a very average fan in terms of noise an performance, but they're popular because people like the rings and they're a decent price. However, they don't make a 120 version of this fan. I'd personally go with the Phanteks on the 420 in the top, and if you must get a 480 for the bottom, then use something like the Noiseblocker eLoops, which are some of the best 120mm fans available and they don't look too different from the Phanteks. Same color scheme at least.

Anyway, the 420 in top and 480 in bottom is way overkill. I understand doing it for looks or just because it's badass, but you really don't need that much rad. You could do a 420 in top and a 280 (or 240, or 360) in the bottom and the temps would be about the same. I have a 45mm 420 in top and a 60mm 280 in bottom (and the thicker 280 is only for looks as thicker rads don't really perform much better, if at all, and just restricts the air flow more). I have an OC'd 4770k and OC'd GTX 780 and the temps are incredibly low, even with super quiet fan speeds while under full load. Jack Naylor has the same setup but with SLI 780's and still gets incredibly low temps. With the side "wall" inside the case, you don't even see the whole radiator if it's more than 2 fans long anyway, so unless you look up close, my 280 in the bottom may as well be a 560. If you just like the looks then that's cool and you wouldn't be the first to go for a ton of cooling redundancy, but I think you'll be well past the point of diminishing returns, where you might not really see any better temps than with a radiator half the size in the bottom.

Just thought I'd mention that in case you want to save some money and you'd also be able to do the same thing Jack and I (and others) have done with removing the bottom drive cage to mount a pump down under there since you wouldn't have the long radiator in the way. I'd go for that kind of setup and a tube res on the built in res bracket, but that's just more of my opinion, which is biased since that's exactly what I have (250mm EK tube res, 280 bottom, 420 top, and pump mounted in lower drive cage area). I'd avoid the bay res, personally. Also, the Reeven Six Eyes is definitely good, but you wouldn't see it or the bay res normally, unless you plan to remove the door or mod it somehow.

Let me first start off by saying, thank you for such a long and detailed post! I am still thinking on it, but what I may do now, is 420/360 in the top, and then either 360 or 280 in the bottom. I have heard many great things about the stock fans in the case, and you get so many of them that I feel inclined to use them. I don't know much about tube reservoirs so I will have to do some research on what brand and mounting system is best.
Again, I really appreciate your help! biggrin.gif
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