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@ Jack,

Sounds like you are using your Phanteks PWM hub as a voltage controlled fan splitter with motherboard supplying variable voltabe?

[QUOTEOriginally posted by JackNaylorPE
2. Anyone officially hear the the number of Phanteks SP140s we might be able to use on the PCB w/o connecting the 12V input. For those of us using MoBo CHA Headers , we can't connect the 12V input as that kills the variable voltage signal from the MoBo, overrides it and all fans run at full speed.[/QUOTE]
Phanteks Rep told me
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I have been told that the PWM can only hold 30W max.
To me that translates to 5a per 3pin fan header on the PWM hub.

Motherboard CHA headers are not PWM headers. Therefore they do not supply a PWM signal to PWM hub to control the 12v from PSU. The PWM hub requires PWM signal. to function with PSU 12v power.
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Originally posted by JackNaylorPE
3. Any idea whether it's feasible and that we might see a "PCB Version 2" that would take the 12V from the PSU and neck that down to match the signal from MoBo ?
That, my friend, is a very tall order. It would require a circuit that could monitor the voltage it receives and than regulates another power source to match it. tongue.gif
Edited by doyll - 2/21/14 at 11:24am
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@ Jack,

Sounds like you are using your Phanteks PWM hub as a voltage controlled fan splitter with motherboard supplying variable voltabe?
Phanteks Rep told me
To me that translates to 5a per 3pin fan header on the PWM hub.

I have read this here many times now.
butt...... I have 8 AirPenetrators and 7 of the standard phanteks fans that comes with the case on it. runs perfectly fine. have em at 30% speed.
sometimes i pull them at max speed and works to..
but i think its over the 5a per channel specielly that i have all the airpens on one header through a NZXT Grid..
Why hasnt mine blows up yet?
post #3074 of 18857
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

@ Jack,

Sounds like you are using your Phanteks PWM hub as a voltage controlled fan splitter with motherboard supplying variable voltabe?

Yups .... as I mentioned a few paged back, late one night I did some math and said OK at 0.14 / 1.8 watts per Phanteks specs ... I can do 6 fans (0.84 amps w/o inrush / 10.8 watts) .... so i connected 6 cables and forgot that two were on splitters..... and nothing blew up .... so either Asus was conservative when they told me 1 amp ..... (not sure if the guy just guessed to get me off the phone) or they are in fact capable of higher loads..... or the PCB somehow dampens the in rush current as with 8 fans connected I shuda blown that header.

As I said was late at night and when I realized I had connected 8 fans I said to myself "better plug the PSU cable in". fans went to full speed and I spent an hour trying to reconfigure control..... posted here and RoG forums asking WTH ? Went to bed at 3 am and woke up at 5 am with a big "DUH !" floating over my head ..... rolled over muttering "Hey dumbass, didn't it occur to you that the 12V from the PSU was m,ashing the voltage signal from the MoBo ?" Still woke up and wanted to believe that the Phanteks smart guys musta thot of that and hoped it would do voltage matching ..... smile.gif
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To me that translates to 5a per 3pin fan header on the PWM hub.

Most MoBo Headers are 1 amp.... hi hi end enthusiast boards (i.e Rampage series .... tho don't know about the LGA2011 and Z87 ones) supply 2 amps

What am I missing 30W ..... 5 amps x 6 headers = 30 amps x 12v = 360 watts.

I wuda thot .... 30W / 12v = 2.5 amps / 6 headers = 0.42 amps per header ....or about 3 Sp140s @ 01.4 amps

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Motherboard CHA headers are not PWM headers. Therefore they do not supply a PWM signal to PWM hub to control the 12v from PSU. The PWM hub requires PWM signal. to function with PSU 12v power.

Yes, but it does NOT require a PWM signal and works just fine with a voltage signal .... as long as you don't connect the 12V. And yes I have explained that in detail in numerous posts ..... in this thread, other OCN threads, RoG threads and THG threads....where peeps have and still continually assume that because they are 4 pin, they must be PWM. . I have been told such an animal exists, but no one has ever been able to point me to a model number.
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That, my friend, is a very tall order. It would require a circuit that could monitor the voltage it receives and than regulates another power source to match it.

Well essentially that's what the MoBo does but w/o enuff oomph.....it gets its 12V and based upon some algorithym decides to send out something else. You'd basically need a whatchamacallit to look at the MoBo voltage and say "using up to 12 amps of 12v power from the PSU , I will adjust the voltage on each of the 6 headers to match what I see coming in from the MoBo".... sounds like something I should ask Darlene to dream up smile.gif
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 2/25/14 at 11:37am
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Pardon me if this upsets anyone's forum etiquette sensibilities but wanted to keep this in a separate post......

Lotta times we see peeps asking about what rads to stuff in their Enthoo.....and many of us have presented data and their results but to get a consensus newcomers have to wade thru 308 pages of posts. I wanted to create a data source which could be used by peeps compare their plans with results. Here's the 1st draft of the file. Any suggestions for any other data that might be useful ?

Granted that most won't be in a position to fill every column but I figure better to grab what is available and have lotta empty spots than leave the data unreported. I was glad I looked, I was 'remebering 12.2 on one of my deltas....went back and looked and it was 12.8

DataCollection.XLS 26k .XLS file

hmm... just realized, pump speed / estimated flow would be good to add
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post #3076 of 18857
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Originally Posted by Gunilla95 View Post


I have read this here many times now.
butt...... I have 8 AirPenetrators and 7 of the standard phanteks fans that comes with the case on it. runs perfectly fine. have em at 30% speed.
sometimes i pull them at max speed and works to..
but i think its over the 5a per channel specielly that i have all the airpens on one header through a NZXT Grid..
Why hasnt mine blows up yet?
Air Penetrate is a maximum of 0.33amp each. 8x fans is 2.64amps total. That is31.7w. More load on one header than rep said for whole hub. redface.gif
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Yups .... as I mentioned a few paged back, late one night I did some math and said OK at 0.14 / 1.8 watts per Phanteks specs ... I can do 6 fans (0.84 amps w/o inrush / 10.8 watts) .... so i connected 6 cables and forgot that two were on splitters..... and nothing blew up .... so either Asus was conservative when they told me 1 amp ..... (not sure if the guy just guessed to get me off the phone) or they are in fact capable of higher loads..... or the PCB somehow dampens the in rush current as with 8 fans connected I shuda blown that header.

As I said was late at night and when I realized I had connected 8 fans I said to myself "better plug the PSU cable in". fans went to full speed and I spent an hour trying to reconfigure control..... posted here and RoG forums asking WTH ? Went to bed at 3 am and woke up at 5 am with a big "DUH !" floating over my head ..... rolled over muttering "Hey dumbass, didn't it occur to you that the 12V from the PSU was m,ashing the voltage signal from the MoBo ?" Still woke up and wanted to believe that the Phanteks smart guys musta thot of that and hoped it would do voltage matching ..... smile.gif
Quote:
To me that translates to 5a per 3pin fan header on the PWM hub.

What am I missing 30W ..... 5 amps x 6 headers = 30 amps x 12v = 360 watts.

I wuda thot .... 30W / 12v = 2.5 amps / 6 headers = 0.42 amps per header ....or about 3 Sp140s @ 01.4 amps

Quote:
Motherboard CHA headers are not PWM headers. Therefore they do not supply a PWM signal to PWM hub to control the 12v from PSU. The PWM hub requires PWM signal. to function with PSU 12v power.

Yes I have explained that in detail in numerous posts ..... in this thread, other OCN threads, RoG threads and THG threads....where peeps have and still continually assume that because they are 4 pin, they must be PWM. . I have been told such an animal exists, but no one has ever been able to point me to a model number.
doh.gif My bad.. 30w is 2.5a @ 12v.. redface.gif
I know you know. Post was for those who don't . thumb.gif

Did have to laugh reading about trying to


Maybe Brian can talk to the engineers and find out what the PWM hub specs are.
post #3077 of 18857
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Is it possible to get a 7/16 5/8 tube routed behind the back from the pump mounted behind the motherboard tray on the bottom to a rad input at the top left (by CPU 8 pin)?


Pix promised
this is what I have like I said I did have it on the inside of the rad bracket, but the bend was too tight, it is working out now. I think you would be better off with a 90 degree fitting off the rad in your setup,
The first pic this line is coming from the top rad to the front 240 which is visible in the second pic


there is a fair amount of space behind the motherboard tray, one of the benefits of this case.
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Air Penetrate is a maximum of 0.33amp each. 8x fans is 2.64amps total. That is31.7w. More load on one header than rep said for whole hub. redface.gif
doh.gif My bad.. 30w is 2.5a @ 12v.. redface.gif
I know you know. Post was for those who don't . thumb.gif

Did have to laugh reading about trying to


Maybe Brian can talk to the engineers and find out what the PWM hub specs are.


well now I know why i have been so confused. always thought it was 30 watt. but then bam you whrote 5 amp. ( i was all like " hmm maybe new info I didnt know bout, okey. rolleyes.gif")
yeah I hope we can get some good info bout the design and capacity of the pwm hubb. clearly it can give more watts then they say..thumb.gif
post #3079 of 18857
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Is it possible to get a 7/16 5/8 tube routed behind the back from the pump mounted behind the motherboard tray on the bottom to a rad input at the top left (by CPU 8 pin)?
There is over 20mm of space. But you might have problems managing cables going over/under tube.
post #3080 of 18857
I've been running 8x AP-15's off one header that's rated at 35 W for months now without issues. I believe the startup amperage of the AP-15's exceeds the 35 watts. If it blows, it blows. I have also run them off the PWM board too (I have the AP-15's connected to an NZXT 10 port fan hub).

Also I have ran 1/2 ID 3/4 OD tubing behind the motherboard before. Was a tight fit but it worked. So I think 5/8 would be fine.
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