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I can't be sure until I get mine and check but my guess is the motherboard / PSU panel will give the case plenty of structural stability.
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I will double check and confirm what I said. I have a spare 420 at home and will check it out once I get home. Whatever I find, I will update the review and the FAQ. Thanks for bringing this up guys.

Worst comes you can remove the panel in question, cut it in half and not use the lower portion of the panel.

Update: I suppose I should watch the video I help make again to make sure what I said. But as I said in the video to fit a 420 the panel HAS to be removed/modified, the case is very solidly built, and will hold fine with panel cut in half. And if you're still worried about the structure strength then you can always make your own support bar using aluminum strips that you can easily find at your local hardware store. I will update the review regarding the 420.


http://youtu.be/CIpoC65bpX4?t=19m47s
Edited by jassilamba - 9/23/13 at 9:31am
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The 100m thick 420 Monsta is 148.6mm wide
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14193/ex-rad-141/MagiCool_Limited_Edition_Monsta_420360_Triple_120mm_140mm_Xtreme_Performance_Radiator.html

The 80mmm thick one is 468 x 144 x 86mm
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18794/ex-rad-491/Alphacool_NexXxoS_Monsta_Triple_140mm_Radiator_-_80mm_Thick.html?tl=g30c95s931

So with 144 stated as being the maximum allowable width ???? Seems like it just squeezes in.

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I don't think those MMT afford PWM control over it's own powered fan connections like the Phanteks or the Swiftech hubs do, they just split the input fan cable feed which isn't going to work for my purposes, plus I read here on a topic recently quite a few people saying really bad things about them as far as reliability. If/When I want to just split a fan cable I make my own custom sleeved cables to do that without the need for a possibly untrustworthy pcb adapter and it affords me tidier cable management.

I took this MMT reference from a SIngularity Computers review on youtube who said he uses them on every build to control fan speeds and reduce cable clutter. ... I have asked Mark at frozencpu.com to verify but I'm pretty sure the PWM version PCB at least controls all the attached PWM fans.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 9/23/13 at 11:07am
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I took this MMT reference from a SIngularity Computers review on youtube who said he uses them on every build to control fan speeds and reduce cable clutter. ... I have asked Mark at frozencpu.com to verify but I'm pretty sure the PWM version PCB at least controls all the attached PWM fans.

I probably wasn't clear. Looking at the MMT hubs they don't have a port for a separate power input to power the fans, so essentially they are just splitters, splitting a single 4 pin or 3 pin input to allow you to attach multiple fans to it, and all of the power to them will be coming from that single 4-pin or 3-pin input.

That's not what I want at all.

The Phanteks hub has a 4 pin PWM input from the motherboard and a 4 pin molex input to power the fans. It doesn't use the 4-pin input to power the fans at all. It uses the 4 pin input PWM signal to adjust the voltage supplied by the separate molex input to power up to eleven 3 pin (non-PWM) fans. That's exactly what I want/need. I've already ordered fifteen 3-pin (non-PWM) fans for my system, and would like to be able to have the voltage to them controlled via the motherboard PWM signal the way the Phanteks hub does. I have looked and do not believe anyone else makes such a device.

The Enthoo Primo has locations to mount 2 of their hubs, which is what I will need. Otherwise I'll probably have to resort to using a separate fan controller.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 9/23/13 at 11:34am
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I probably wasn't clear. Looking at the MMT hubs they don't have a port for a separate power input to power the fans, so essentially they are just splitters, splitting a single 4 pin or 3 pin input to allow you to attach multiple fans to it, and all of the power to them will be coming from that single 4-pin or 3-pin input.
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No, I guess it was me that wasn't clear. sorry. I shuda just stuck to the one link and not listed all the others

Has both SATA and Molex power supply and 4 pins fan headers .... I have no idea if the 4 pin header will work w/ ya 3 pin fans tho


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ModMyToys 4-Pin Molex/SATA Power Distribution PCB is the perfect organizational solution for hard core modder's, water cooling enthusiasts and other power users that use a large amount of cooling fans in their systems or servers. Why use clumsy Y splitters that just add to cable clutter when you can have a clean point to distribute power? These small PCB's are made of the highest quality and include and easy to install preinstalled black mount rail and Velcro strip. This allows you to mount virtually anywhere in your case including all those hidden places modder's like to route their cables to. For those that want the best look these have a black PCB and connectors. So, eliminate all those extra cables and install the ModMyToys 4-pin/SATA power distribution PCB to be a Pro!

Edited by JackNaylorPE - 9/23/13 at 12:01pm
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OK I looked though those MMT hubs and I admit I hadn't seen that one before, but it still works with 4-pin PWM fans (similar to the Swiftech hub). It still wouldn't work for what I need. Like I have said before, I would need to control via PWM a bunch of 3-pin (non-PWM) fans, and AFAIK the Phanteks hub is the only thing like it.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

That's what I need, but I need to be able to control seventeen 3-pin fans in all (The two front Phanteks 140mm, a rear 140mm GeLid UV Blue, and fourteen 120mm GeLid UV Blue fans for push-pull on a 480 rad and a 360 rad) which would require two of the hubs.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 9/23/13 at 11:54am
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As I understand it the Phanteks fan hub is not a PWM hub.. it does not control the fans with PWM signal but uses variable voltage control. It is a 3pin fan hub.. no 4th PWM control pin. As for how the Phanteks hub actually works I do not yet know. Maybe it's pulsing the 12v power to the fans instead of actually using voltage control.

That would mean it's using similar circuitry to what a PWM fan uses only more powerful.. more amps of 12v power. I will find out... but have to get one to check out first. biggrin.gif

The ModMyToys 4-Pin Molex / SATA Power Distribution PCB 8x PWM + 2x 4-pin Block (MMT-PCB-4-8P2M1S) is a mystery. I don't know how it would control PWM fans using PWM signal and also control randomly plugged in 3pin fans. Would love to get ahold of one and figure it out. biggrin.gif
Edited by doyll - 9/23/13 at 12:48pm
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That's what I need, but I need to be able to control seventeen 3-pin fans in all (The two front Phanteks 140mm, a rear 140mm GeLid UV Blue, and fourteen 120mm GeLid UV Blue fans for push-pull on a 480 rad and a 360 rad) which would require two of the hubs.

yeah....I wasn't sure if ya cud plug a 3 pin on the MMT headers and have it still work.... I doubt it but hopefully will get answer from mark today.

Do you have hold downs ? I think that case will levitate like a hovercraft when you turn all those fans on smile.gif

Ya have any idea on my other question ?
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2. I was considering grabbing one of these buggers to make it easier to fill loops. Then it occured to me, why not just leave it connected. Two issues come to mind.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=31784

a) Adds an extra power cord which needs to be snaked inside the case.
b) I'd want a fail safe shutdown in case the pump cord got accidentally disconnected....Will the PWM cable from the pump perform this function adequately ?
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Seems somebody wuda thot of a PSU by now with a pass thru 120v connector that ya could use to run a 2nd PSU ... or at least one that has a switchable circuit for just running ya WC stuff.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 9/23/13 at 12:41pm
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As I understand it the Phanteks fan hub is not a PWM hub.. it does not control the fans with PWM but uses variable voltage control. It is a 3pin fan hub.. not 4th PWM control pin. As for how the Phanteks hub actually works I do not yet know. Maybe it's pulsing the 12v power to the fans instead of actually using voltage control.

That would mean it's using similar circuitry to what a PWM fan uses only more powerful.. more amps of 12v power. I will find out... but have to get one to check out first. biggrin.gif

The Phanteks hub uses the PWM signal from the mobo to adjust the voltage to 3-pin (non-PWM) fans. I'm almost positive it uses the PWM input signal to adjust the voltage from the molex to 3-pin fans. At least that's how the designer from Phanteks Dutch office described how it works in video interviews at Computex 2013. It's not trying to turn 3-pin fans into PWM fans.

If, as you suggested, it were to 'pulse' the 12v to change speeds to the fans (like the despised original Cosmos II fan controller did before they were forced to offer a free replacement) it would result in loud clicking fans for the majority of 3-pin fans (very few 3-pin fans handle pulsing voltages well, especially at lower speeds), and if so we will see a ton of complaints about it in no time at all.

I seriously doubt any other case manufacturer would ever go down that route, especially not Phanteks who, on top of having built a great reputation on their own when it comes to fans/cooling, their parent company, Axpertec, also owns the likes of Noctua and NZXT.

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The ModMyToys 4-Pin Molex / SATA Power Distribution PCB 8x PWM + 2x 4-pin Block (MMT-PCB-4-8P2M1S) is a mystery. I don't know how it would control PWM fans using PWM signal and also control randomly plugged in 3pin fans. Would love to get ahold of one and figure it out. biggrin.gif

There's no mystery at all. It will only work with 4-pin PWM fans. If you plug a 3 pin fan into ANY 4-pin PWM port, you will only get an unregulated 12v - full power. That 4th wire is what tells PWM fans what speed to turn at and it can only work specifically with 4-pin PWM fans. It aint going to work with 3-pin fans.

That's what makes the Phanteks hub unique. It's using that PWM signal to control 3-pin fans which need to be controlled by adjusting the voltage.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 9/23/13 at 12:54pm
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I agree. What ever way the hub works I'm sure it will work to our satifaction. biggrin.gif
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