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post #3151 of 18668
Hey, I'm a long time lurker, just made an account here now.
I'm looking for a fitting case for my new build, and the Enthoo Primo caught my eye.
I've been reading this whole thread, and have a few concerns, biggest one is the fact that Phanteks have made a box where you can fit almost everything you want, but totally forgot about airflow, especially at the bottom.
I will have the case standing on my desk, so really dont want to have some sort of stand for it to lift it up.
How big of an issue is the airflow really?
I'm planning on having an Alphacool UT60 280mm in push/pull config with Phanteks fans at the bottom, in addition to an Alphacool UT60 480mm in push/pull at the top.
I anticipate running the fans at 1200 rpm.
post #3152 of 18668
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Originally Posted by Propanelgen View Post

Hey, I'm a long time lurker, just made an account here now.
I'm looking for a fitting case for my new build, and the Enthoo Primo caught my eye.
I've been reading this whole thread, and have a few concerns, biggest one is the fact that Phanteks have made a box where you can fit almost everything you want, but totally forgot about airflow, especially at the bottom.
I will have the case standing on my desk, so really dont want to have some sort of stand for it to lift it up.
How big of an issue is the airflow really?
I'm planning on having an Alphacool UT60 280mm in push/pull config with Phanteks fans at the bottom, in addition to an Alphacool UT60 480mm in push/pull at the top.
I anticipate running the fans at 1200 rpm.
You should be fine. Keep in mind how many owners have big radiators in the bottom and are having no problems cooling. The longer the bottom radiator, the more air needed, the more the potential problem. In a perfect world more vent area to bottom is nice. But the Enthoo Primo cools very well as it is.
post #3153 of 18668
So I've been a long time lurker and finallycreated an account. The main question I have about this Case is the double ssd bracket. I've had a hard time in the past powering 2 Ssds so close together because I can't seem to get the power cable to plug into things so close together. Is there some obvious solution l am missing? Are you suppose to use a splitter of some sort?

My Psu is the Corsair Hx850
post #3154 of 18668
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

You should be fine. Keep in mind how many owners have big radiators in the bottom and are having no problems cooling. The longer the bottom radiator, the more air needed, the more the potential problem. In a perfect world more vent area to bottom is nice. But the Enthoo Primo cools very well as it is.
I'm convinced, I will go ahead and order! smile.gif
post #3155 of 18668
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Originally Posted by MrInkless View Post

So I've been a long time lurker and finallycreated an account. The main question I have about this Case is the double ssd bracket. I've had a hard time in the past powering 2 Ssds so close together because I can't seem to get the power cable to plug into things so close together. Is there some obvious solution l am missing? Are you suppose to use a splitter of some sort?

My Psu is the Corsair Hx850

Im using a splitter just like this one,
post #3156 of 18668
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Originally Posted by Redspeed93 View Post

Yeah but I need to know the exact distance between the fan mounting holes on the 2 HDD cages (which hopefully is 15mm) to be able to determine if a 240mm radiator can be mounted in the first place. If someone with an Enthoo Primo were to pull out a measuring tape I'd be grateful! smile.gif

I'm not sure what your asking but the fan mounting holes are put there so as to mount a 120mm fan.....IOW, the holes are all sat the standard 120mm fan spacing, 105mm apart from each other. Luckily I took one of the cages out and it's sitting under my desk....otherwise wuda been PITA to measure.

http://www.mnpctech.3dpixelnet.com/picture_library/mnpctech.com_80_92_120_140_fan_grill_templates_rv2.pdf

Of course you ony have about 2.50" to 2.75" between the HD cage and a 280 in the bottom.... so putting a rad and set of fans in that location simply means no bottom 280 tho you could squeeze an XT45 in push pull if ya used a 240 and gave up the side ports on ya bottom rad and located the vertically mounted rad with ports up top..... Of all possible locations this would be the least effective rad in the build as there's no way around using pre-heated case air to cool this rad.

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I have no intention of having a radiator on the outwards facing side of the HDD cages. As far as I can figure out there should be a few centimeters left between my videocards and a 40mm push/pull radiator if the cages are relocated towards the front of the case.

I am having trouble following you here as I don't see why this location is deemed of value:

-The top (420 or 480) and bottom (280 or 240) rads will provide well more than enough cooling for your proposed components with fresh / cool ambient air.
-Mounting a 240 at the front and / or right side panel allows use of cooler ambient air for cooling.
-The back of HD location will only have access to pre-heated interior case air.
-While I can confirm that you can fit two 120mm fans on those cages, I'm gonna say a 2x120mm rad won't work, reason being that the mounting holes between the two fans (vertically) will be about 30-32mm apart....You need half that for the two fans to butt up against one another as they would on a rad. You put fans on back of the HD cages, they will be 15-17mm apart.



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Originally Posted by Spriggan43 View Post

Anyone with a problem with creaking noise from the case, I think its comming form the window, any way to fix this?

Yes, was discussed at length earlier in the thread.....comes from differential thermal expansion contraction as the plexi is a |_| shape sitting in a channel and rubbing on 3 sides. LOther than graphite, oil or other type of lubricant, I came up with no ideas.


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Originally Posted by Propanelgen View Post

I've been reading this whole thread, and have a few concerns, biggest one is the fact that Phanteks have made a box where you can fit almost everything you want, but totally forgot about airflow, especially at the bottom.
I will have the case standing on my desk, so really dont want to have some sort of stand for it to lift it up.
How big of an issue is the airflow really?
I'm planning on having an Alphacool UT60 280mm in push/pull config with Phanteks fans at the bottom, in addition to an Alphacool UT60 480mm in push/pull at the top.
I anticipate running the fans at 1200 rpm.
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Originally Posted by Spriggan43 View Post

Anyone with a problem with creaking noise from the case, I think its comming form the window, any way to fix this?


Doyyl was the first to bring this up so be sure to get him to chime in on the topic .... in the meantime I'll add my observations.

1. Yes, intake from the bottom is somewhat limited due to the action of the fan filters and limited open area.
2. The effect at the bottom is going to very significant with a 480 on there.
3. Th effect with a 280 in there on the bottom is much less so as (my guess anyway) the intake fans under the rad will suck air coming in thru the front fans down thru the grille under the HD cages.
4. There is a similar but much greater effect, at least in my case, from the top filter and grille, which I confirmed by using temp in and out sensors in both rads. The 420 was giving me 0.9 - 1.0C delta T while the smaller 280 was giving me 1.3C delta T. Instead of 50% more cooling which logic dictates the 420 shuda gave me ....it was giving me 27% less and that's quite a swing....the top 420 (0.32C per fan) was half as affective as the 280 (0.66C per fan). Removing both sets of grilles and filters and lifting case up a bit decreased my Delta T from 12.8 to 8.4C

Now before ya get all down on the Enthoo be aware that air filters will have the same effect on the Enthoo as they will on any other case. Still I'd like to see if I could mount feet on the bugger .... something other than just grabbing 4 hockey pucks to sit it on.

I'd strongly advise using a 420 at the top over the 480.

1. 420 is $20 (XT45) - $25 (UT60) cheaper
2. Ya save anudder $35-$40 in fans.
3. 420 gives ya access to top rad ports to use for fill / bleed ports
4. Easier to pipe.
5. 480 means no use at all for top drive bay.....420 wont allow an optical but will allow a fan controller or even a fan.
6. 420 has 2% more (58,800 sqmm) of surface are for cooling as compared with 480s (57,600)
7. 420 allows rear fan to be mounted higher

Also note that the UT60-480 gives ya about 6-7 more watts of cooling than the XT45 at 1250 rpm. If going with teh UT60 in P/P, check what is at the top 15mm or so of ya MoBo and see if losing view or access to anything up there is a concern. For example if you are going to sleeve ya cables later on down the line, doing the EPS cable on my M6F wud require removing the pull fans to get access...it also blocked view of the diagnostic LCD panel and some other features so look at ya MoBo and see if there's anything that ya might miss having access to.....might / might not be worth the 6 watts but better to know what ya might be giving up going in then find out after ya opened the boxes.


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Originally Posted by MrInkless View Post

So I've been a long time lurker and finallycreated an account. The main question I have about this Case is the double ssd bracket. I've had a hard time in the past powering 2 Ssds so close together because I can't seem to get the power cable to plug into things so close together. Is there some obvious solution l am missing? Are you suppose to use a splitter of some sort?

My Psu is the Corsair Hx850

I had no issue but take note that I dad have a routing issue at the default location. I removed that SSD mount and put it in a HD slider thingie and had no issue using a standard power cable.

Jack's Enthoo Primo 2 Suggestion No. 27b - Provided mounting holes for the SSD bracket in HD mount slider thingies.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 3/1/14 at 1:23pm
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post #3157 of 18668
So guys I'm going to put a 480 Monsta in the bottom of this case to cool 3-4 R9 290's. I don't think that will be sufficient and will likely need another 120-240 rad somewhere in there. Agree/disagree?
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post #3158 of 18668
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Originally Posted by stilllogicz View Post

So guys I'm going to put a 480 Monsta in the bottom of this case to cool 3-4 R9 290's. I don't think that will be sufficient and will likely need another 120-240 rad somewhere in there. Agree/disagree?

4 290's and 1 cpu block? Yeah, you would need more than a 480 mm rad that's for sure. consider a 420 or 480 mm (45 mm ) on top too to have some leg room and perhaps a 240 mm (30 mm) in front.
post #3159 of 18668
I haven't been following the new white Primos of late, but are they shipping or nearly so?
post #3160 of 18668
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I haven't been following the new white Primos of late, but are they shipping or nearly so?
Supposed to be coming out late March.
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