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So I've been a long time lurker and finallycreated an account. The main question I have about this Case is the double ssd bracket. I've had a hard time in the past powering 2 Ssds so close together because I can't seem to get the power cable to plug into things so close together. Is there some obvious solution l am missing? Are you suppose to use a splitter of some sort?

My Psu is the Corsair Hx850


Mounting two in one caddy is achieved by placing them so that the power/sata connections are at opposite ends, I have three in my case, all in the 2.5 drive caddies.



Edited by simsim44 - 2/28/14 at 6:11pm
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post #3162 of 18695
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So guys I'm going to put a 480 Monsta in the bottom of this case to cool 3-4 R9 290's. I don't think that will be sufficient and will likely need another 120-240 rad somewhere in there. Agree/disagree?

I think the Enthoo may be a bit tight for four 290xs

1. Recognize that thickness barely does squat for ya. A Monsta 480 at 1250 rpm gives ya 326 while a XT45 rad 50% as thick gives ya 93% as much cooling at 302 watts
2. One 290x is about 287 watts stock.... with a 7% OC one 290x will be about 325 watts....add 140 watts for an OC'd 4770k

2 x 290x + 4770k = 790 watts x 60% min by rads ~ 475 watts ...... UT60-280 + XT45-420 @ 1250 rpm in P/P = 508 (I'll guess 9.3C Delta T)
3 x 290x + 4770k = 1115 watts x 60% min by rads ~ 670 watts .... UT60-480 + XT45-480 @ 1400 rpm in P/P = 668 8 (I'll guess 10.0C Delta T)
4 x 290x + 4770k = 1440 watts x 60% min by rads ~ 864 watts ..... UT60-480 + XT45-480 + ST30-240 @ 1400 rpm in P/P = 820 (I'll guess 10.5C Delta T)

Using a 2nd UT60 instead of the XT45 on top will net ya 10 watts at 1400 rpm.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 2/28/14 at 6:42pm
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post #3163 of 18695
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4 290's and 1 cpu block? Yeah, you would need more than a 480 mm rad that's for sure. consider a 420 or 480 mm (45 mm ) on top too to have some leg room and perhaps a 240 mm (30 mm) in front.
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I think the Enthoo may be a bit tight for four 290xs

1. Recognize that thickness barely does squat for ya. A Monsta 480 at 1250 rpm gives ya 326 while a XT45 rad 50% as thick gives ya 93% as much cooling at 302 watts
2. One 290x is about 287 watts stock.... with a 7% OC one 290x will be about 325 watts....add 140 watts for an OC'd 4770k

2 x 290x + 4770k = 790 watts x 60% min by rads ~ 475 watts ...... UT60-280 + XT45-420 @ 1250 rpm in P/P = 508 (I'll guess 9.3C Delta T)
3 x 290x + 4770k = 1115 watts x 60% min by rads ~ 670 watts .... UT60-480 + XT45-480 @ 1400 rpm in P/P = 668 8 (I'll guess 10.0C Delta T)
4 x 290x + 4770k = 1440 watts x 60% min by rads ~ 864 watts ..... UT60-480 + XT45-480 + ST30-240 @ 1400 rpm in P/P = 820 (I'll guess 10.5C Delta T)

Using a 2nd UT60 instead of the XT45 on top will net ya 10 watts at 1400 rpm.

I'm actually gonna be attempting a dual loop since that many 290's is gonna generate a ton of heat. So the rad size I mentioned will strictly be for the 290's. I'll be putting a 360-480 up top for the cpu, ram & motherboard blocks which I realize is overkill.

I need the top HDD cage so that limits me to only an extra 120mm rad in the front, totaling 600mm worth of rad for four 290's.
Edited by stilllogicz - 2/28/14 at 7:05pm
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I'm actually gonna be attempting a dual loop since that many 290's is gonna generate a ton of heat. So the rad size I mentioned will strictly be for the 290's. I'll be putting a 360-480 up top for the cpu, ram & motherboard blocks which I realize is overkill.

I need the top HDD cage so that limits me to only an extra 120mm rad in the front, totaling 600mm worth of rad for four 290's.
Thats not actually true. You can put a 240 rad in front and keep the top hard drive cage. That is how my rig is setup, using the stock front 140mm led fans as push. The rad fits fine the bottom hard drive cage was removed for tubing and fittings.

I love the way this case is designed. I am using a 360 on top, a 360 on the bottom, a 240 in the front, and a 120 in the back with no modding needed. On top of that I was able to use all the stock 140mm fans even though my rads require 120mm fans. I was even able to hide the most of the tube.

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The reason I mentioned a 120mm in the front is because if I put the 480 in the bottom, it will take up the entire length of the case from front to back, leaving only space for a 120mm, unless I have this mistaken?
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post #3166 of 18695
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I'd strongly advise using a 420 at the top over the 480.

1. 420 is $20 (XT45) - $25 (UT60) cheaper
2. Ya save anudder $35-$40 in fans.
3. 420 gives ya access to top rad ports to use for fill / bleed ports
4. Easier to pipe.
5. 480 means no use at all for top drive bay.....420 wont allow an optical but will allow a fan controller or even a fan.
6. 420 has 2% more (58,800 sqmm) of surface are for cooling as compared with 480s (57,600)
7. 420 allows rear fan to be mounted higher
These are all good points, but I already have the water cooling gear (except waterblock for my GTX 690, XSPC has been sold out so waiting for them to restock).
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Also note that the UT60-480 gives ya about 6-7 more watts of cooling than the XT45 at 1250 rpm. If going with teh UT60 in P/P, check what is at the top 15mm or so of ya MoBo and see if losing view or access to anything up there is a concern. For example if you are going to sleeve ya cables later on down the line, doing the EPS cable on my M6F wud require removing the pull fans to get access...it also blocked view of the diagnostic LCD panel and some other features so look at ya MoBo and see if there's anything that ya might miss having access to.....might / might not be worth the 6 watts but better to know what ya might be giving up going in then find out after ya opened the boxes.
I had no issue but take note that I dad have a routing issue at the default location. I removed that SSD mount and put it in a HD slider thingie and had no issue using a standard power cable.
I've got a M5F that I will move from current case. Not worried about drive bays at all, have no use for optical drive, haven't used one for 5 years or so.
I'm gonna keep the same clock (3770k @ 4.6 GHz) so hopefully I won't have to check the LCD diag panel.
post #3167 of 18695
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The reason I mentioned a 120mm in the front is because if I put the 480 in the bottom, it will take up the entire length of the case from front to back, leaving only space for a 120mm, unless I have this mistaken?

420 mm top (xt45), 420 mm bottom (60 mm) and a 240mm (30 mm) front. That would give you more rad area that a monsta on the bottom and only a 120 mm front and probably quite adequate for your load (3-4 gpus and one block). I personally would not go with two loops but instead would have one loop with dual pumps if I was you. Just mine two cents and hope it helps.
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I think this is what I'm going to go with:

Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 Full Copper Dual 140mm Radiator $65.99

Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 Full Copper Triple 140mm Radiator $84.99

Swiftech MCP655-PWM-DRIVE 12v Water Pump Module - PWM Enabled (Single Version) $94.99

Alphacool Cape Corp Coolplex Pro 25 LT - 250mm $36.95

EK D5 X-Top Acetal Pump Top CSQ - Laing D5 & Swiftech MCP-650/655 (EK-D5 X-TOP CSQ - Acetal) $39.99 $39.99

PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing 7/16"ID x 5/8" OD - 10ft Retail Pack - Brilliant UV Blue (PFLEXA10-758-B) w/ Free Sys Prep $24.99

Koolance QD3 Quick Disconnect No-Spill Coupling Male, Barb for ID 13mm (1/2in) (QD3-M13) $11.49

Koolance QD3 Quick Disconnect No-Spill Coupling Female, Threaded G 1/4 BSPP (QD3-FG4) $11.99

Phanteks PH-F140SP_LED - PH-F140SP_LED 4-pack $53.99

I'm still not sure where to mount the res as my vid cards are too long for the mounting plate.


Edited by renkenkyo - 3/1/14 at 12:47am
post #3169 of 18695
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I'm not sure what your asking but the fan mounting holes are put there so as to mount a 120mm fan.....IOW, the holes are all sat the standard 120mm fan spacing, 105mm apart from each other. Luckily I took one of the cages out and it's sitting under my desk....otherwise wuda been PITA to measure.

http://www.mnpctech.3dpixelnet.com/picture_library/mnpctech.com_80_92_120_140_fan_grill_templates_rv2.pdf

Of course you ony have about 2.50" to 2.75" between the HD cage and a 280 in the bottom.... so putting a rad and set of fans in that location simply means no bottom 280 tho you could squeeze an XT45 in push pull if ya used a 240 and gave up the side ports on ya bottom rad and located the vertically mounted rad with ports up top..... Of all possible locations this would be the least effective rad in the build as there's no way around using pre-heated case air to cool this rad.

Allow my paint skillz to demonstrate what I'm rambling about laughingsmiley.gif

post #3170 of 18695
Hi everyone,

really stupid question, but what kind of screws did you/ do you use to install a 480mm rad in the bottom without pull fans?

I got only 25 and 35mm screws delivered with my rad so I most likely have to use other screws, because even if I´ll cut them the head is way to small

Any tips?
Edited by acanom - 3/1/14 at 12:04pm
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