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Originally Posted by stilllogicz View Post


I'm actually gonna be attempting a dual loop since that many 290's is gonna generate a ton of heat. So the rad size I mentioned will strictly be for the 290's. I'll be putting a 360-480 up top for the cpu, ram & motherboard blocks which I realize is overkill.

I need the top HDD cage so that limits me to only an extra 120mm rad in the front, totaling 600mm worth of rad for four 290's.

Your GPU Rads are way undersized and CPU / MoBo / RAM is way oversized

Two 290x's @ 325 x 2= 650 watts x 60% = 390 watts .... UT60-480 in P/P @ 1400 gives ya 339 which is just a little short. But using only a 240 to move up to 4 is 1300 watts of load cooled by the a Monsta 480 on the bottom at 360 watts and a ST30-240 which will add just 133 giving you 493 watts of cooling ..... 493 watts of cooling for a 1300 watt load is a bit light at only 38%.

1300 watts for the GFX
140 for the CPU (230 if going LGA2011)
4 sticks at 5 watts each = 20
40 watts for the pump waste heat
20 watts for MoBo VRMs
20 watts for chipset

1540 watts

I think ya really need to borrow some of the cooling from ya CPU loop for ya GPU loop. I'd do a single loop with the 4 cards in series / parallel .... that is set up cards 1 & 2 in parallel; set up 3&4 in parallel ...... and cards 3&4 follow 1&2 in series. I'd use a double pump like the 36x2 or two D5s in series.

1540 watts x 60% min by rads ~ 924 watts ..... UT60-480 in P/P on bottom (443) + XT45-480 in P/P (423) on top + ST30-240 in pull (110) in right panel @ 1800 rpm = 976



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Originally Posted by Propanelgen View Post


I'm gonna keep the same clock (3770k @ 4.6 GHz) so hopefully I won't have to check the LCD diag panel.

Don't understand the reference to clocks and the diagnostic panel..... the panel shows boot errors. The Q-Codes displayed replace with greater detail, the old method of beeps for diagnosing build or hardware failure issues.



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Originally Posted by Gabrielzm View Post

420 mm top (xt45), 420 mm bottom (60 mm) and a 240mm (30 mm) front. That would give you more rad area that a monsta on the bottom and only a 120 mm front and probably quite adequate for your load (3-4 gpus and one block). I personally would not go with two loops but instead would have one loop with dual pumps if I was you. Just mine two cents and hope it helps.

420 won't fit on bottom w/o some serious dremel work but I'd agree w/ all else


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Originally Posted by renkenkyo View Post

I think this is what I'm going to go with:

Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 Full Copper Dual 140mm Radiator $65.99

Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 Full Copper Triple 140mm Radiator $84.99

Swiftech MCP655-PWM-DRIVE 12v Water Pump Module - PWM Enabled (Single Version) $94.99

Alphacool Cape Corp Coolplex Pro 25 LT - 250mm $36.95

EK D5 X-Top Acetal Pump Top CSQ - Laing D5 & Swiftech MCP-650/655 (EK-D5 X-TOP CSQ - Acetal) $39.99 $39.99

PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing 7/16"ID x 5/8" OD - 10ft Retail Pack - Brilliant UV Blue (PFLEXA10-758-B) w/ Free Sys Prep $24.99

Koolance QD3 Quick Disconnect No-Spill Coupling Male, Barb for ID 13mm (1/2in) (QD3-M13) $11.49

Koolance QD3 Quick Disconnect No-Spill Coupling Female, Threaded G 1/4 BSPP (QD3-FG4) $11.99

Phanteks PH-F140SP_LED - PH-F140SP_LED 4-pack $53.99

I'm still not sure where to mount the res as my vid cards are too long for the mounting plate.


I have very similar setup so would recommend the following.

1. Slide the top rad a bit towards the front ..... will allow easier piping and provide access to the top rad ports for filling / bleeding the loop.

2. I'd go from bottom rad => GPUs (in parallel) => Top Rad => CPU. Not a large effect but it is significant.... The temps coming out of my top rad are 1.3C lower going into the CPU so the cooler water does provide a slight cooling advantage.

3. Recommend parallel in that this sends half the flow thru the GPU blocks which due to their size can do their job at lower flow rate .... it also cuts down block resistance.

4. Newegg says these cards are 10.5" long ..... if they are correct, then you should have no problem getting the EK-Res 3-250 on the Mounting Bracket.... just have to take off the plastic cable hider thingie. With the 50mm res you listed could fit up to 10.8" cards......60mm can do 10.6".

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130923

5. That's a lotta money on QDs. I'd be the last one to argue against overkill but if ya drain the loop, they kinda become superfluous.

6. No drain ? You can fit one nicely using the bottom port on the 280 rad ending with a QD.


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Originally Posted by Redspeed93 View Post

Allow my paint skillz to demonstrate what I'm rambling about laughingsmiley.gif


That's what I guessed.... reposted from # 3156
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-While I can confirm that you can fit two 120mm fans on those cages, I'm gonna say a 2x120mm rad won't work, reason being that the mounting holes between the two fans (vertically) will be about 30-32mm apart....You need half that for the two fans to butt up against one another as they would on a rad. You put fans on back of the HD cages, they [and here I mean the fan edges not the screws] will be 15-17mm apart.

Edited by JackNaylorPE - 3/1/14 at 1:26pm
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I used the M3 5mm now hope they are not still too long.
post #3173 of 18688
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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE 
Don't understand the reference to clocks and the diagnostic panel..... the panel shows boot errors. The Q-Codes displayed replace with greater detail, the old method of beeps for diagnosing build or hardware failure issues.
Yeah, that didn't make much sense, I agree smile.gif
The point though, is that I am moving the MoBo as is, same cpu, same waterblock, same memory, same harddrives, so I don't expect any boot problems.
The only thing I will be changing is the powersupply (going from a XFX psu to Corsair AX1200i, and adding a waterblock to my GTX 690, in addition to adding the 280mm Alphacool UT60 rad.
Oh yeah, also adding another pump, so will have 2 MCP 655's for redundancy.

I've wanted to do a new build for some time, and after my pump died 2 months ago, I figured I should go with a whole new case for more space and being able to make a cleaner build.
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I used the M3 5mm now hope they are not still too long.

i used the ssd mount screws for my top 480 rad smile.gif
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Hi everyone,

really stupid question, but what kind of screws did you/ do you use to install a 480mm rad in the bottom without pull fans?

I got only 25 and 35mm screws delivered with my rad so I most likely have to use other screws, because even if I´ll cut them the head is way to small

Any tips?


Secret is ..... washers smile.gif

Some sources of screws and washers here.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1439800/radiator-screws-how-come-we-only-get-half
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 3/2/14 at 10:32am
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i used the ssd mount screws for my top 480 rad smile.gif

Those are the M3 5mm if I´m not mistaken smile.gif
If it worked out fine, I´m happy^^
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Those are the M3 5mm if I´m not mistaken smile.gif
If it worked out fine, I´m happy^^

most likely tongue.gif ended up needing some extra screws from back when i had a nzxt phantom since i now have 4 2,5" drives, so have that in mind when youre installing thumb.gif
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Secrete is ..... washers smile.gif

Some sources of screws and washers here.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1439800/radiator-screws-how-come-we-only-get-half

Yeah, thought about waschers,too, but didn´t have any at hand and in Germany there are no stores open that sell washers at night or on sunday so I wanted to ask if somebody came up with another solution.

Thanks both of you!
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Your GPU Rads are way undersized and CPU / MoBo / RAM is way oversized

Two 290x's @ 325 x 2= 650 watts x 60% = 390 watts .... UT60-480 in P/P @ 1400 gives ya 339 which is just a little short. But using only a 240 to move up to 4 is 1300 watts of load cooled by the a Monsta 480 on the bottom at 360 watts and a ST30-240 which will add just 133 giving you 493 watts of cooling ..... 493 watts of cooling for a 1300 watt load is a bit light at only 38%.

1300 watts for the GFX
140 for the CPU (230 if going LGA2011)
4 sticks at 5 watts each = 20
40 watts for the pump waste heat
20 watts for MoBo VRMs
20 watts for chipset

1540 watts

I think ya really need to borrow some of the cooling from ya CPU loop for ya GPU loop. I'd do a single loop with the 4 cards in series / parallel .... that is set up cards 1 & 2 in parallel; set up 3&4 in parallel ...... and cards 3&4 follow 1&2 in series. I'd use a double pump like the 36x2 or two D5s in series.

1540 watts x 60% min by rads ~ 924 watts ..... UT60-480 in P/P on bottom (443) + XT45-480 in P/P (423) on top + ST30-240 in pull (110) in right panel @ 1800 rpm = 976
Don't understand the reference to clocks and the diagnostic panel..... the panel shows boot errors. The Q-Codes displayed replace with greater detail, the old method of beeps for diagnosing build or hardware failure issues.
420 won't fit on bottom w/o some serious dremel work but I'd agree w/ all else
I have very similar setup so would recommend the following.

1. Slide the top rad a bit towards the front ..... will allow easier piping and provide access to the top rad ports for filling / bleeding the loop.

2. I'd go from bottom rad => GPUs (in parallel) => Top Rad => CPU. Not a large effect but it is significant.... The temps coming out of my top rad are 1.3C lower going into the CPU so the cooler water does provide a slight cooling advantage.

3. Recommend parallel in that this sends half the flow thru the GPU blocks which due to their size can do their job at lower flow rate .... it also cuts down block resistance.

4. Newegg says these cards are 10.5" long ..... if they are correct, then you should have no problem getting the EK-Res 3-250 on the Mounting Bracket.... just have to take off the plastic cable hider thingie. With the 50mm res you listed could fit up to 10.8" cards......60mm can do 10.6".

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130923

5. That's a lotta money on QDs. I'd be the last one to argue against overkill but if ya drain the loop, they kinda become superfluous.

6. No drain ? You can fit one nicely using the bottom port on the 280 rad ending with a QD.
That's what I guessed.... reposted from # 3156

Yep, my bad. To avoid messing with the side panel with the phanteks logo a 360 in the bottom would be fine.
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Those are the M3 5mm if I´m not mistaken smile.gif
If it worked out fine, I´m happy^^

Yeah those are the ones I used for mounting my Monsta 360 in the bottom.
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