Originally Posted by Strider49
I'm a proud owner of this extremely well built and thought case. I purchased it last week and I'll be building my new machine in it. I'll go with an i7 4770K, a Hero board, 16GB of G.Skill 2400MHz ram and a 780 Ti (don't know which one right now, maybe the EVGA SC ACX or the Asus DirectCU II OC).
My main question here is: should I go the Air Cooling route or the Water Cooling one? I didn't want to spend that much money in a custom WC setup, knowing the 4770K won't probably let me go much high in clocks or voltages (I'm talking about passing through the 4.5-4.6GHz mark).
If I go with a top notch air cooler like the Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E, what kind of performance (temperatures) should I expect from this case? Is there anyone in here with the same setup as me who chose to install an air cooler on this case?
By the way, since you are talking about positive vs negative pressure inside the case, where should I place the pre-installed fans? Should I buy more fans like the 140 AF series from Corsair?
Shouldn't it be number of intake fans equals number of exhaust fans (like 3:3)?
Should I buy additional dust filters to prevent dust from entering through the open holes at the back of the case?
Cupla considerations ....
-At $200 the Hero is a bit overpriced ....I usually opt for the MSI GD-65 over the Hero ....same feature set, MIL Spec hardened components, better performance and I usually pay $155 - 165 for the GD
-Mushkin Redlines are the same price but have better timings than the GSkills or Corsair Vengeance (10-12-12-28 vs 10-12-12-31)
-The EVGA SC, unlike the EBGA Classified, is simply a reference board with stock PCB and stock VRM and a pretty good cooler (which if you are going to WC, you will take off). The Asus bpard also has an excellent cooler but it has a custom PCB and significantly beefed up VRM. It's the VRM which will hit the highest temps under WC and having more phases allows it to process the same voltage while running much cooler.
You are correct in that these days, water cooling brings a much lower return on investment with Haswell's fast rising voltages as OCs increase. The Silver Arrow is a great cooler.....usually edging out the Noctua and falling just behind the Phantek's PH-TC14-PE. The air cooling setup with the delivered fans would be 3 fans blowing in (front and bottom) and 2 blowing out (top an rear). The rear fan is unfiltered so even though it will run slightly more efficient, it's not enough to offset the number advantage. Since your case will maintain positive pressure, and all fan intake inlets are filtered, you are pretty much covered on the dust front.
So leave the fans right where they are and if you are going to add fans ..... say two intakes and the side panel and two exhaust in the "attic" , you're good....could even add another on the bottom. Phanteks provides filters on all the above mentioned intakes so no need to buy more. If ya have more fans blowing out than blowing in, you won't need to buy any additional filters.
If ya water cooling, may want to consider the 780 Posiedon from Asus, now on sale in Europe, reviews have been positive.....with the major disappointment being "Why wasn't this a Ti ?.
WC is expensive ..... GPU Blocks w/ backplates run $140, CPU's $80..... 280+420 rads would run ya $160 .... $40 for an engineered coolant.... $175 for pump and reservoir....fittings / tubing etc. If ya asking will that have a ROI (Return on Investment) in the performance department I'd have to say no, not a significant one considering the cost. But it sure does have it in the aesthetics department and it is fun
As for adding fans, there's no better fan that I have seen than the Phanteks SP140s. In a subsequent test to the one below, an Antec fan edged it out but it had that annoying clicking sound.
Originally Posted by Essenbe
Also, in the for what it's worth department, with the increased threat of chemical attacks in the past 10 years or so, the US Navy implemented a policy of having positive air pressure in all Navy ships. The purpose was, in case of a chemical attack, the positive air pressure would tend to blow the chemicals out of the ship rather than sucking it in.
That's a common practice in underground confined spaces which can accumulate methane, hydrogen sulfide which interestingly enough, the concern is getting breathable oxygen in instead of those hazardous gasses out. So air is blown in from outside the space rather than sucking the bad gases out......But on a ship, I gotta wonder .... if the idea is to keep the entire ship under positive pressure..... where does the intake air necessary to maintain the pressure come from ? Big gas bomb explodes on deck .... fans blowing in get their air from ? Scrubbers capable of handling every possible gas on every inlet from a capital and operational strandpoint 24/7 would be an enormous cost.
Originally Posted by skywalker311
I know what you are talking about I've got $1500 in water cooling alone.
Going ahead make me feel bad
..... $2,358.45 .... tho that includes about $175 in upgraded tools, $210 is cable sleeving wires and connectors ....Edited by JackNaylorPE - 3/13/14 at 2:19pm