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Originally Posted by paulyoung View Post

For all the people who are trying to work out fan locations, I have tried mine 2 different ways. My set up is a 3 x 140 monsta up top, and a 4 x 120 Monsta in the bottom with 2 140's up front and a 140 in the rear. all fans are Akasa Vipers, @ 7v and the rads are both in push pull. I'm running XFire 7950's and an i5 4670k @ 4.2 on 1.015v. The case is lifted by about 900mm

Your results are to be expected..... with air leaving the rads at least 5C warmer with a 10C Delta T, the 2nd rad would be half as efficient.

BTW, were you able to load GPUs fully with the 7970s and OCCT ? nVidia detects it and won't put on more than 28% load.... Furmark does the job tho.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 3/14/14 at 7:45am
911 Carrera
(20 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel w/ EK Supremacy Cooling Block - Clean P... Asus Maximus VI Formula 2 x Asus GTX 780 DCII w/ EK Full Cover Blocks a... Mushkin Red Line Ridgeback 2 x 8GB DDR302400 10... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
2 x SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW 2.5" 256GB (2 x Seagate ST2000DX001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cach... Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blue Ray Writer 1 x Alphacool NexXxoS XT45-420 + 1 x Alphacool ... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
1 x Swiftech 35x2 w/ Heatsink and NB Fan EK -MultiOption RES X3 250 White Acetal Reservoir 5 x PH-F140SP_BK_BLED + 5 x PH-F140SP_BK E22 Rigid 10/12 Acrylic Tubing and Bitspower Ma... 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
2 x Reeven Six Eyes Fan Controller Windows 7 64 Bit Professional OEM ASUS VG248QE Black 23" 144 Hz Monitor Logitech G19s 920-004985 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Seasonic X-1250 Phanteks Enthoo Primo Ultimate Chassis Asus RoG GX950 Laser Mouse  Logitech Z5500 
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911 Carrera
(20 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel w/ EK Supremacy Cooling Block - Clean P... Asus Maximus VI Formula 2 x Asus GTX 780 DCII w/ EK Full Cover Blocks a... Mushkin Red Line Ridgeback 2 x 8GB DDR302400 10... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
2 x SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW 2.5" 256GB (2 x Seagate ST2000DX001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cach... Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blue Ray Writer 1 x Alphacool NexXxoS XT45-420 + 1 x Alphacool ... 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
1 x Swiftech 35x2 w/ Heatsink and NB Fan EK -MultiOption RES X3 250 White Acetal Reservoir 5 x PH-F140SP_BK_BLED + 5 x PH-F140SP_BK E22 Rigid 10/12 Acrylic Tubing and Bitspower Ma... 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
2 x Reeven Six Eyes Fan Controller Windows 7 64 Bit Professional OEM ASUS VG248QE Black 23" 144 Hz Monitor Logitech G19s 920-004985 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Seasonic X-1250 Phanteks Enthoo Primo Ultimate Chassis Asus RoG GX950 Laser Mouse  Logitech Z5500 
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post #3292 of 18686
You can get a really good kit from either EK or XSPC.
The two best places to get water cooling parts is http://www.frozencpu.com/ or http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php

$320 and you get EK-KIT H3O 360 HFX water cooling kit includes following items:

- EK-Supremacy
- EK-Backplate CPU Universal
- EK-CoolStream RAD XTX 360
- EK-FAN Silent 120-1600 RPM (3 pcs)
- EK-DCP 4.0 Pump
- EK-Multioption RES X3 150
- EK-DCP PUMP mounting plate KIT
- TUBE Masterkleer 12,7/9,5 CLEAR (2 meters)
- EK-PSC Fitting 10mm - G1/4 Nickel (8 pcs)
- EK-Ekoolant UV Blue (concentrate 100ml)
- TIM Gelid GC-Xtreme (EKWB 2g)

$265 XPSC Raystorm AX360

RayStorm Intel CPU Waterblock
D5 Photon 170 Tube Reservoir (optional 270)
D5 Vario Pump
AX360 Dual Radiator
G1/4″ to 7/16″ Compression Fittings (Black Chrome) x6 (optional other sizes/colors)
XSPC 1650rpm 120mm Fan x3 (optional speeds)
120mm Fan Grill (Black) x3
Intel and AMD RayStorm Brackets
Socket 1366 and 1150/1155/1156 Backplates
Socket AM2 and AM3 mounting kit
80mm to 120mm Radiator brackets
3mm Twin Blue LED with 4Pin Molex (optional other colors)
5mm Blue LED with 4Pin Molex (optional other colors)
2 Meters of Clear 7/16″ Hose (optional other colors)
24pin ATX Bridge Tool
K2 Thermal Paste

There are cheaper ones to, I was just using these two because of the 360mm rad. then there are the all in one water cooling system from newegg and it goes from $50 to $180.
Edited by skywalker311 - 3/13/14 at 2:43pm
post #3293 of 18686
BTW, were you able to load GPUs fully with the 7970s and OCCT ? nVidia detects it and won't put on more than 28% load.... Furmark does the job tho.[/quote]

I have no idea mate, to be honest, I don't take any notice of the GPU's when running OCCT, all I can tell you is the maximum temp whilst it was running was 30 degrees, so at a guess no they didn't. I'll do another run in the AM, and get back to you on that one mate.
post #3294 of 18686
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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

The air cooling setup with the delivered fans would be 3 fans blowing in (front and bottom) and 2 blowing out (top an rear). The rear fan is unfiltered so even though it will run slightly more efficient, it's not enough to offset the number advantage. Since your case will maintain positive pressure, and all fan intake inlets are filtered, you are pretty much covered on the dust front.
I'm betting the front and bottom intake grill area, grill density are restricitng 3-40% more than back vents. Top has area but remember how much improvement you had removing the top grill?
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So leave the fans right where they are and if you are going to add fans ..... say two intakes and the side panel and two exhaust in the "attic" , you're good....could even add another on the bottom. Phanteks provides filters on all the above mentioned intakes so no need to buy more.
Sorry Jack , but I disagree about exhaust fans in the attic. Reason is they pull heated air from GPU up around CPU and motherboard components instead of exhausting it out the back.
  • Using forward vent area in top for intakes moves cool air down to CPU and motherboard, than out the back Front and forward bottom intakes move cool air to GPU than out the back. .
  • Back of EP has plenty of vent area and any excess will find it's way out side or back top and bottom vent area. This givs EP very good front to back airflow and supplying plenty of ambient temperature air to components.
  • I find leaving the I/O cover out usually improves motherboard component temps too. Better airflow close to motherboard.
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If ya have more fans blowing out than blowing in, you won't need to buy any additional filters.
Wake up mate! rolleyes.gif
You got that backwards. biggrin.gif
More exhaust than intake is negative pressure and draws air (dust) in through every opening in case. tongue.gif
Edited by doyll - 3/13/14 at 4:06pm
post #3295 of 18686
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

I'm betting the front and bottom intake grill area, grill density are restricitng 3-40% more than back vents. Top has area but remember how much improvement you had removing the top grill?
Sorry Jack , but I disagree about exhaust fans in the attic. Reason is they pull heated air from GPU up around CPU and motherboard components instead of exhausting it out the back.
  • Using forward vent area in top for intakes moves cool air down to CPU and motherboard, than out the back Front and forward bottom intakes move cool air to GPU than out the back. .
  • Back of EP has plenty of vent area and any excess will find it's way out side or back top and bottom vent area. This givs EP very good front to back airflow and supplying plenty of ambient temperature air to components.
  • I find leaving the I/O cover out usually improves motherboard component temps too. Better airflow close to motherboard.
Wake up mate! rolleyes.gif
You got that backwards. biggrin.gif
More exhaust than intake is negative pressure and draws air (dust) in through every opening in case. tongue.gif

Hi All. Im interested in this airflow and dust topic too when it comes to the Primo.

I currently have three AF120s as intakes in the bottom of the case, pulling air up and through the case, i have another as an exhaust towards the top (rear) of the cause, near the two fans connected (as intakes) to my H105 RAD. I moved all the stock phanteks 140mm fans that arrived inside the case (apart from the front LED fans) to the top section and all three act as exhausts, meaning push pull on the rad.

Unfortunatley the front cover panel clips on the case arrived broken, I'm awaiting some more front clips from Phanteks, but at the moment that area is not sealed and is open to dust.

Im wondering if I should flip the bottom fans over to be exhausts, or if that will cause negative pressure as you say Doyll.
post #3296 of 18686
Thread Starter 
@ paulyoung
Nice bit of work! thumb.gif
4c is nice improvement in temps. You say hot air rises but that is with no fans involved. Fans easily overcome it and air (whatever the temp moves where fans push it. wink.gif


@ GhostFaceKeller,
I don't understand your top setup. You say you have a rear exhaust near top and 2x top intakes on 105, but than you say you have 3x F1409SP on top as echaust???
post #3297 of 18686
Hi Doyll, sorry, probably didnt explaint that very well I will try to be more specific.

on the inside back of the case, there is a spot towards where just about every case comes with a fan pre-installed as an exhaust. I have an AF 120 there acting as an exhaust currently. then in the roof of the case, I have the 105 mounted as per normal (IE with the rad fans mounted underneath it as intakes) then in the roof cavity I have the three phanteks fans acting as exhausts.

Sorry if I'm being confusing. Have a look at the pic of my rig in my signature and you will see the single exhaust fan at the upper rear.

I'm OK with the setup up top - but I'm mostly interested to know what people do at the bottom of their cases - intakes or exhausts. I would assume most people would place most exhausts towards the top, because hot air rises and you would want to push that air out along its natural flow path, but as you mentioned Doyll this pushes hot air from the GPU and other components towards the CPU and then out the top.

Thanks!
post #3298 of 18686
Also ignore the bottom fans in the pic, I originally install them as exhausts then swapped to intakes after that was taken.
post #3299 of 18686
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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

Cupla considerations ....

-At $200 the Hero is a bit overpriced ....I usually opt for the MSI GD-65 over the Hero ....same feature set, MIL Spec hardened components, better performance and I usually pay $155 - 165 for the GD

-Mushkin Redlines are the same price but have better timings than the GSkills or Corsair Vengeance (10-12-12-28 vs 10-12-12-31)
....$175ish f/////
-The EVGA SC, unlike the EBGA Classified, is simply a reference board with stock PCB and stock VRM and a pretty good cooler (which if you are going to WC, you will take off). The Asus bpard also has an excellent cooler but it has a custom PCB and significantly beefed up VRM. It's the VRM which will hit the highest temps under WC and having more phases allows it to process the same voltage while running much cooler.

You are correct in that these days, water cooling brings a much lower return on investment with Haswell's fast rising voltages as OCs increase. The Silver Arrow is a great cooler.....usually edging out the Noctua and falling just behind the Phantek's PH-TC14-PE. The air cooling setup with the delivered fans would be 3 fans blowing in (front and bottom) and 2 blowing out (top an rear). The rear fan is unfiltered so even though it will run slightly more efficient, it's not enough to offset the number advantage. Since your case will maintain positive pressure, and all fan intake inlets are filtered, you are pretty much covered on the dust front.

So leave the fans right where they are and if you are going to add fans ..... say two intakes and the side panel and two exhaust in the "attic" , you're good....could even add another on the bottom. Phanteks provides filters on all the above mentioned intakes so no need to buy more. If ya have more fans blowing out than blowing in, you won't need to buy any additional filters.

If ya water cooling, may want to consider the 780 Posiedon from Asus, now on sale in Europe, reviews have been positive.....with the major disappointment being "Why wasn't this a Ti ?.

WC is expensive ..... GPU Blocks w/ backplates run $140, CPU's $80..... 280+420 rads would run ya $160 .... $40 for an engineered coolant.... $175 for pump and reservoir....fittings / tubing etc. If ya asking will that have a ROI (Return on Investment) in the performance department I'd have to say no, not a significant one considering the cost. But it sure does have it in the aesthetics department and it is fun smile.gif.

As for adding fans, there's no better fan that I have seen than the Phanteks SP140s. In a subsequent test to the one below, an Antec fan edged it out but it had that annoying clicking sound.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1345-page7.html

(...)

Thanks for your insight!

I'm in Portugal and here I can get the MSI GD65 for about 171€ and the Hero for 179€. Not really much of a difference. When I think of Asus ROG boards, I see top of the line performance, many useful features, great components. I'm not a fan boy though, I never had a single ROG product. The advertised military components on MSI boards and VGAs are just a gimmick or are they really better than what one can find on other brands products?

I can't seem to find those Mushkin Redlines here in Portugal. I didn't even know about the existence of that brand. Does that somewhat lower last timing number really make a big difference?

So, are you saying the Asus 780 Ti DirectCU II OC has a custom PCB and better VRM? Didn't know about that one too... smile.gif I must state I haven't made up my mind yet regarding the GPU issue, they are all so close to each other, I think. All I know is that I want the best 780 Ti for the money, having a 3 year limited warranty in my country, covering both materials and workmanship. At first, I considered the MSI Gaming (9.9 on TPU review, military class components... smile.gif), but then I realised MSI only offers a 2 year warranty in Portugal.
Yesterday, I saw a discount on the Lightning version of the R9 290X in a UK store and then my doubts grew even bigger. According to Guru, it can almost equal and even surpass in some instances the "basic" non-reference design 780 Ti's like the EVGA SC ACX, costing slightly less.
There's also new "contenders": Asus Matrix Platinum 780 Ti and R9 290X... Should I wait to see how these'll come up?

Yeah, I think I'll go with a top air cooler for now. In the future I may think about replacing it with a custom WC setup though, as this case really shines in that department. I even considered buying the Swiftech H320, but it's been a P.I.T.A. to find it in stock in portuguese or european stores.
So, do you recommend the Phanteks PH-TC14-PE air cooler? I can get it for about 90€; the Thermalright Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme costs about 10-15€ less and it has those red or orange fans that really go up with the red tone on the Hero and the GSkills. Do you think the Phanteks is worth the extra cost? What's my the best option, performance and silence wise? My goal is trying to reach 4.4 or 4.5GHz stable, more if I am lucky.

As to the fans issue, I was thinking about passing the fan on the top to the bottom as intake and place 3 other fans on the top as exhaust, therefore equalising numbers of intake and exhaust fans. If you say that it shouldn't be needed, then I will maintain the stock fans in their places. Perhaps it is better to do some temperature tests before getting something else. If I still want to add those 3 extra fans after that, some Phanteks SP140s it will be.

So, should I maintain a positive pressure inside the case to be covered on the dust front? If I put all the fans as intake, as some of you say, won't the fans blow air and spread dust all over the case?
My intuition says the following: place intake fans on the bottom and front, where the air is cooler, and blow out the (hot) air through the upper rear and top sites. It doesn't make much sense to me to pull cooler air into the case through the rear or top fan mounts, which will get into contact with the hotter air in that region, perhaps having some undesired effects. Please correct me if I'm wrong. smile.gif
Edited by Strider49 - 3/13/14 at 5:14pm
post #3300 of 18686
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

(...)

Wake up mate! rolleyes.gif
You got that backwards. biggrin.gif
More exhaust than intake is negative pressure and draws air (dust) in through every opening in case. tongue.gif

I thought so. Something seemed to be wrong in that sentence. smile.gif
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