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Has anyone here ever tried sandwiching 2 rads togetger? I was thinking of doing 2-360mm EK XTX rads in the bottom. Basically fans-rad-fans-rad-fans. Would it be ok or would it hurt performance?
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Originally Posted by chino1974 View Post

Has anyone here ever tried sandwiching 2 rads togetger? I was thinking of doing 2-360mm EK XTX rads in the bottom. Basically fans-rad-fans-rad-fans. Would it be ok or would it hurt performance?

Interesting! I´ve been wondering that too!

i thought of 2 45mm rads and then do a parallel connection on them, like 2 Gpu's would look amazing in my opinion.
If anyone has info on that topic pls whrite it!
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Originally Posted by Gunilla95 View Post

Interesting! I´ve been wondering that too!

i thought of 2 45mm rads and then do a parallel connection on them, like 2 Gpu's would look amazing in my opinion.
If anyone has info on that topic pls whrite it!

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/06/08/hesmelaughs-radiator-sandwich-testing/

Results were not as impressive as you would hope for...
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http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/06/08/hesmelaughs-radiator-sandwich-testing/

Results were not as impressive as you would hope for...

Nice graphs biggrin.gif

Well you can always do it for aesthetics now that we know that the results aren't that good,
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So basically it's not a good idea unless you're using high rpm fans. I wonder how 9 Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000 rpm 38mm fans would sound with 2 360 rads sandwiched between them? Lol!!! Better have good headphones to try and block out some of the noise.
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So basically it's not a good idea unless you're using high rpm fans. I wonder how 9 Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000 rpm 38mm fans would sound with 2 360 rads sandwiched between them? Lol!!! Better have good headphones to try and block out some of the noise.

Oh man. I used to run one Ultra Kaze 3000rpm 38mm fan as an intake fan and man was that loud. It was like a small hurricane in my case though.
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Oh man. I used to run one Ultra Kaze 3000rpm 38mm fan as an intake fan and man was that loud. It was like a small hurricane in my case though.

As we speak of load fans, I pulled a 48v Delta fan out of an old server once, don know the rpm, just know it was a 120mm and it had about 4 - 5 cm thickness. and i think i have to take in a gif to describe it.
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Hey guys can I join the club? Finally got my Enthoo last night!!! I am so excited to rio into it. I am going to be swapping out my setup from the 900d and dropping it into the Enthoo. So far just from visually inspecting the case when I opened the box I really am impressed with Phanteks. The quality, fit and finish of this case is very good. I really like everything they thought into it. Wish I could still use the res bracket but with a RIVE and 3 7970's there's no way to fit it. Here's a quick pic.

I have a pretty basic question fir everyone. I can't seem to get a straight answer to this. Which would perform better?

Black Ice GTX 360 which is 54mm thick
or
Swiftech MCR480QP which is 30mm thick ?

Thickness is a non factor.....

This is the approximate amount you get outta each 120mm of Alphacool rads

ST30 - 60
XT45 - 61
UT60 - 63
Monsta 80 - 66

So if those were as efficient as the Alpha's.....

30mm-480 = 4 x 60 = 240 watts
60mm-360 = 3 x 63 or 189 watts


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You are, of course, 110% correct. Were I ever to try watercooling, and one day I shall, I think I'd feel safer buying a good quality AIO with little maintenance. I wouldn't want less than 240mm for better cooling. I've even considered Swiftech's H320 Elite, even though it's not an AIO. I'm not even sure a 360mm triple fan AIO is available.

And this is why I feel the opposite smile.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1440506/my-corsair-h60-exploded-water-explosion



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The problem I've noticed, however, is Swiftech is still being held hostage by a patent dispute so their AIOs aren't available in the US. Coolermaster partnered with them to market the Glacer AIO, but while there's been talk about a 320 size, that hasn't materialized and perhaps never will. Expandability isn't much of a concern. Yet. I'm an staunch nVidia user so their GPU temps aren't a major problem at this time. Someday I may have to rethink, but if I can find a 320 sized AIO, then in all likelihood I'll take the plunge. I've always bought full tower cases because I like to have more than I really need; the same goes for an AIO.

1. That patent thing is long gone. Swiftech designed around the infringement and has been available here in US for a while now.

2. So is the 320 so plunge away smile.gif

Three versions at FCPU

http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g/c83/s137/list/p1/b33/Swiftech-Water_Cooling_Kits_Cases-Water_Cooling_Kits-Page1.html


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Guys I think I jumped the gun alil on giving so much praise to the case. Would anyone know what the easiest way to get on touch with a hardware rep for Phanteks would be? I started putting my buuld together and realized the fan hub doesn't work and one of the front led fans is doing a terrible grinding noise. I really like the case so far though. And from what I've heard so far Phanteks has goid customer support. So I am hoping they replace these items without much headache.

Define hub doesn't work .... reason I ask, it has to be hooked up properly....please describe how you have it wired. best place is Phanteks support and forums.

http://phanteks.com/support.html
http://phanteks.com/forum/forum.php



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Has anyone here ever tried sandwiching 2 rads togetger? I was thinking of doing 2-360mm EK XTX rads in the bottom. Basically fans-rad-fans-rad-fans. Would it be ok or would it hurt performance?

We covered this a few pages back..... not a good idea....two in sandwich was worse than one.

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/06/08/hesmelaughs-radiator-sandwich-testing/
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The reason for this is that air has very poor specific heat capacity and for the most part already heated up after it passes through the first radiator leaving the second radiator with already used up warm air that simply doesn’t have any storage for more heat. In addition the second radiator causes problems with fan performance adding air and water restriction to the single radiator condition. I suspect this may change very slightly with extremely high fan speeds (3000+RPM) types, but I think it’s pretty well safe to say stacking of radiators just doesn’t work well at all and generally should be avoided if the intent is performance increase.

The first, shocking realization is this: The stacked rads almost always perform worse than the solo rad with the same number of fans. The rest of the data is as expected: Two separate rads perform best, more fans are always better and the airflow going from warmer to cooler rad is slightly worse than the other way around.

..... Edit: Oops, nevermind smile.gif
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 3/20/14 at 5:53pm
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JackNaylorPE thanks for the imfo. I got im touch with Phanteks and went through a few different ways of plugging it up. Tried just the mobo cpu header, then cpu ueader and psu. First with fan one then with fan 1 and others and no go. I sent them a email as requested by the service rep with copies of my invoice so hopefully it'll be replced with the 140 led fan soon.
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