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Originally Posted by Unicr0nhunter View Post

Appreciate that. It's came up a few times now and each time I've tried to point out all the reasons why I could tell a 420 wasn't going to fit past that panel, but it's sometimes hard to convince anyone anything when they can read somewhere else someone saying it will fit. No big deal. Everyone makes mistakes.
Since there are 3 mounting locations, does that mean both brackets can still be used, just not both of them in the 2 locations above/below one another nearest the front of the case?

You sir are correct. Here is a really really bad cell phone pic.

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CFMs don't mean squat for rads. Look into all of those fans a little harder and you will find that they all (and all other 140mm fans out to date) SUCK at developing high static pressure at lower RPMs / low dBs. And while static pressure won't tell you everything, it is a better indicator than CFM as to how well a fan will handle trying to blow through a restriction such as a radiator. Simply put: There never has, as of yet, been a halfway decent relatively silent 140mm fan for thick rads when compared to the 120mm choices. It's never even been close. That sad fact has been brought up here at OCN and every other site like it a gazillion times now.
So why are you bringing it up here again?

I asked what Phanteks fans you are using on your radiator..

You never answered the question.

The fans I listed perform similar to the best Phanteks fans on the market.. most perform better. . . So what's with the skitso reply acting like I'm a complete idiot? thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

CFM and mm H2O do mean something if we have more than just peak ratings to go on.. just as Martin.

Next time you might check out the user you are yelling at before go throwing a tantrum. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Edited by doyll - 9/25/13 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

I asked what Phanteks fans you are using on your radiator..

You never answered the question.

The fans I listed perform similar to the best Phanteks fans on the market.. most perform better. . . So what's with the skitso reply acting like I'm a complete idiot? thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

CFM and mm H2O do mean something if we have more than just peak ratings to go on.. just as Martin.

Next time you might check out the user you are yelling at before go throwing a tantrum. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

It was me, not Unicr0n, that is using the Phanteks fans. And yes, I am using the SP.
post #354 of 18660
@ doyll,

I didn't give a 'skitzo reply' or have a tantrum (unlike it seems you just did) or say anything inferring anything about you, certainly not that you're a 'complete idiot'.

You wrote "I think there are plenty of 140mm fans that are good for cooler/radiator use" and went on to list several fans and their CFM ratings, which seemed to me that you were suggesting CFMs were the most important thing to consider when choosing a fan for a rad.

We must just terribly disagree on the use of "good for" then, because everywhere I've looked, and your links tell no different, none of the 140mm fans available perform anywhere near as well at the same dB as their 120mm counterparts. And while many 140mm fans produce high CFMs, not many do well with static pressure, and especially so at lower speeds / lower dB. All that just tells me that there are no 140mm fans that are especially "good for cooler/radiator use". That's all I was saying.

Edit: I should add that if in fact I'm wrong and there actually are 140mm fans that produce relatively high static pressure at lower rpms / lower dB, and especially that perform on a radiator anywhere near to what a Gentle Typhoon AP14 or AP15 does, which seems to me should be a reasonable threshold since the GT is a smaller 120mm fan, then I'm just unaware of it - despite reading a many a topic searching for such for quite a while now - and in that case I am fully prepared to stand corrected. I would be very happy to learn of such a 140mm fan and would freely admit that on this topic it was I that was the "complete idiot".
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 9/25/13 at 5:54pm
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A lot of manufactures also flat out lie when giving fan specs just a little warning I want to add always check reviews for a fan and don't go off what's printed on their box
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I believe Jesse's writing that a 420 will fit on the bottom is simply an error. I am certain a 420 will not fit on the bottom without serious modification to the case. ]

I remember the video and the part where they had it angled..... couldn't recall if it was hitting the panel or the structures behind it. When i saw Jesse's post, I thought the latter might be the case since he had it in front of him.....going back and looking at the video tho (20:00 minute mark) for the split second ya get to see it at the top though it sure looks like it's hitting the panel. No sense fretting till it gets here.....when it's in front of me, I'll see if it can be modded.

Seems like on odd design choice tho..... using 140mm fans and missing fitting a 140mm rad by a few mm.....maybe in Enthoo II smile.gif
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post #357 of 18660
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

It was me, not Unicr0n, that is using the Phanteks fans. And yes, I am using the SP.
Thanks.
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@ doyll,

I didn't give a 'skitzo reply' or have a tantrum (unlike it seems you just did) or say anything inferring anything about you, certainly not that you're a 'complete idiot'.

You wrote "I think there are plenty of 140mm fans that are good for cooler/radiator use" and went on to list several fans and their CFM ratings, which seemed to me that you were suggesting CFMs were the most important thing to consider when choosing a fan for a rad.
I apologize for mistaking you for ciarlatano using Phanteks fans on 280 radiator.

You chastised me for saying some 140mm fans are good. You say they are not as good as 120mm yet the industry trend is toward more 140mm fans, including their use on coolers and radiators.

I will follow the industry and you can follow your own path. thumb.gif
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Thanks for the fan-size discussion. I've always been fond of 200mm case fans and that's what I have now. When I noticed the EP used 140mm fans, I knew I had some learning to do. I've had little experience with 120mm fans, preferring the "bigger-is-better" for low noise. I've often wondered how 120mm compare with 140mm in terms of air flow AND low noise. I always read what Doyll has to say because he has vastly more experience than do I. Unicr0nhunter makes some interesting points, too. So, what I'm planning on doing when everything arrives and is up and running is to experiment with both 120mm and 140mm foe case fans and see which size I really like, at least for my purposes (my only games are Flight Simulator 9 and 10 as I'm an over-the-hill pilot). I will, of course, make use of CPUZ and others, but my main goal will be to simply have fun and, hopefully, learn something new along the way. I'll share, for what it may be worth, what I discover and I plan to make many trips to the well-of-wisdom I've found on this great site.

Good day all.
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120mm vs 140mm I personally think does not matter. For a typical user running a CPU and 2 GPUs with 2 big radiators your temps will not matter that much irrespective of the fans. I always suggest people to use the components that THEY like, and not what looks good on the paper or what others think looks good. With that said, fans do matter if say you are running a setup where you are pushing your radiator capacity to the max. I personally can live with a 2 degree difference between fan and radiator performance.

Simple principal that I follow -
Lower FPI - low speed fans.
Higher FPI - high speed fans.
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I like quiet as much if not more than I like cool .... the problem for us I think is that all the WC FAQs are 2010'ish and there's not much data to go by .....

Martins analysis of push versus pull was very useful .....

http://martinsliquidlab.i4memory.com/Radiator-Fan-Orientation-And-Shroud-Testing-Review.html

From that, with phanteks fans at 1200 rpm, pull seems to the choice here..... but also, would love to see the same test bed with 30mm, 45,mm, 60mm, 80mm, 120mm rads .... would even like to see fan / 60 mm rad / fan / 60 mm rad / fan compared with a 120 mm
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