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Hey guys, I'm still in the theory crafting stage of my build, and thank god I read this thread. Soooo much good information here, you guys are amazing. It's taken me a solid week to get through the entire thread (and a significant amount of "work" time, oops!) but I'm super glad I did. I've changed from a 480 to a 420 rad at the top, and got heaps of ideas. I do have a few questions for you guys though.

1. I'm definitely sold on the 420 rad at the top. Someone mentioned for the fill ports, that you need to pull the rad back a little to expose them. Does this effect the mounting of the rad? Does exposing the fill ports still allow the rad and fans to line up correctly with the mounts?

Guilty as charged smile.gif ....it mounts just fine ..... just like the rear fan. If ya think about it this way .... if a 480 fits, it gives ta 60mm of "play".....look at the slots in the pics




Also, there is room in the from such that if ya wanted to mount a fan controller in the top 5.25 bat it does fit... at least the Reeven does.

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2. What fittings do I need to create that fill point off the top rad port mentioned in question 1? I see a 30mm fitting (I'll be using bitspower matte black but that's irrelevant). It seems they only come in female to female? Does that mean I need a tiny male to male piece to go between the port and extender? And do I then just put a stopper in the extender until I'm ready to fill?

Fitting is M X F - G1/4 30mm Fitting Extender - Bitspower G1/4 Male to Female Extender - 30mm - Matte Black (BP-MBWP-C63)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12340/ex-tub-777/Bitspower_G14_Male_to_Female_Extender_-_30mm_-_Matte_Black_BP-MBWP-C63.html?tl=c101s1354b145
Fill Port Plug - Bitspower G1/4" Low Profile Matte Black Stop Plug w/ O-Ring (BP-MBWP-C09)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10362/ex-tub-610/Bitspower_G14_Low_Profile_Matte_Black_Stop_Plug_w_O-Ring_BP-MBWP-C09.html




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3. I think you guys have convinced me to go for a 280 rad down the bottom, that way I can use one of the ports as a drain port (and for this I assume I just need a 90 deg fitting and QDC) and mount my pump where the bottom HDD cage was. And there entails my question, pump size. I'm going to be running a 4770K, 2x 780 Ti, 420 XT45 rad up top, 280 UT60 rad down bottom, and a 280 ST30 rad at the front/side. Everything overclocked as far as humanly possible. Will a MCP35x do the job here? Or should I upgrade to a MCP35x2? I'm leaning towards going for the x2 in order to get the system running quieter, but want to know if the single will handle the load as well.

I agree .... that's what I have and it more than does the job with twin 780s (25% OC) and 4770k at 4.6 Ghz. I chose a 35x2 because I was looking for an industrial looking build with rigid acrylic and fittings .... I even piped the GFX cards separately. In addition to be able to run super quiet due to the < 50% normal pump speed, I like the idea of redundancy. I used the 35x2 with Heat Sink mounted under the top HD cage..... I obtained a spare pump mount via donation and put the two of them on the alternate mounting location.




However, I'd hold off on the side panel ST30.

1. It is not needed .... I have twin 780s with a +200 Mhz OC and with furmark running and fans at full tilt (1185 rpm-ish), I'm at 8.4C Delta T .... and I just have fans in push ATM, no pulls.

2. You'll find the wiring fom HD cages gets quite tight back there.....I have just fans mounted there and no rad and spent an hour tying down cables so they wouldn't get hit by the fan blades.

As for the drain




Parts List is somewhere back in the thread but IIRC

One (1) G1/4" 90° Rotary Bend - Bitspower G1/4" Matte Black Rotary 90° G1/4" Adapter (BP-MB90R)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10376/ex-tub-629/Bitspower_G14_Matte_Black_Rotary_90_G14_Adapter_BP-MB90R.html?tl=c101s1306b145

One (1) Male by Male Extender - Bitspower Dual G1/4" Male / Male Fitting - Matte Black (BP-MBWP-C08)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10363/ex-tub-609/Bitspower_Dual_G14_Male_Male_Fitting_-_Matte_Black_BP-MBWP-C08.html?tl=c101s1354b145

One (1) Bitspower G1/4 Male to Female Extender - 40mm - Carbon Black (BP-CBWP-C64) *
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/22269/ex-tub-2486/Bitspower_G14_Male_to_Female_Extender_-_40mm_-_Carbon_Black_BP-CBWP-C64.html

One (1) Quick-Disconnect for Drain - Bitspower Matte Black Quick-Disconnected Male w/ Inner G1/4 (BP-MBQDMIG14)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17966/ex-tub-1636/Bitspower_Matte_Black_Quick-Disconnected_Male_w_Inner_G14_BP-MBQDMIG14.html

(One (1) Loctite Blue (apply to all threads on the horizontal run all the threads will turn instead of the QD..... Do NOT put any on the 90 bend into the rad.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Loctite-0-2-fl-oz-Threadlocker-Blue-242-209728/100371826

I had 30mm and 10mm ones so used them instead of the 40mm

And for the part ya keep in a drawer ....

(one) Quick-Disconnect for Drain - Bitspower Matte Black Quick-Disconnected Female w/ G1/4 Thread (BP-MBQDFG14)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17965/ex-tub-1635/Bitspower_Matte_Black_Quick-Disconnected_Female_w_G14_Thread_BP-MBQDFG14.html

One (1) G1/4" x Compression Connector (Male) - Bitspower G1/4 Thread 3/8" ID x 1/2" OD Rotary Compression Fitting - Matte Black (BP-MBRCPF-CC2)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11107/ex-tub-700/Bitspower_G14_Thread_38_ID_x_12_OD_Rotary_Compression_Fitting_-_Matte_Black_BP-MBRCPF-CC2.html?tl=c409s1032b145

Ya may wanna add a 30mm extender fitting on this end to give ya some extra grip.... I had one left over and added it finding it very useful.

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4. Fans. Everyone says the Phanteks fans that come with the case are amazing. I need to order a few more fans for the rads, and they will be highly visible (top and bottom rad mounted, back of case exhaust). My issue is, I'm going for a red / black build, will the white fan blades all over the place be too controversial to the theme? What are some other really good 140mm fans in either black or red that might do the job?

They are ..... and color not an issue at all..... I went red / black in emulation of the RoG / Mushkin Red / Black coloring and my Red / Black 1978 Porsche 911 ..... However, as I built it, it was too much black and the white accents on the Asus M6F MoBo needed some company so I went with red / black / white cables, the white res and the Phanteks fans help brighten things up.
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5. Temp sensors. I have no idea on dimensions of these (have never water cooled before), can I simply bang one into a spare port on a rad? Or do I need to add a T block somewhere and do it that way?

I went with 6 of these (One for each rad in / rad out, one for ambient and one for case interior temps....dimensions are miniscule.

Temperature Probes Water - Bitspower G 1/4" Temperature Sensor Stop Fitting - Matte Black (BP-MBWP-CT)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10373/ex-tub-620/Bitspower_G_14_Temperature_Sensor_Stop_Fitting_-_Matte_Black_BP-MBWP-CT.html?tl=c229s579b145&id=kISyRgfV&mv_pc=643

Temps are displayed here

Fan Controller - Reeven RFC-01 Six Eyes Fan Controller - Black
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/21571/bus-366/Reeven_RFC-01_Six_Eyes_525_Bay_Fan_Controller_Temperature_Display_-_Black.html



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6. Will this EK supremacy fit for the socket 1150 i7 4770k? On the spec sheet it doesn't list socket 1150. Link below:
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_160_878_879&products_id=21128

I have it installed .... very much suggest the clear top tho..... came in very handy when I noticed paint flakes jammed in the micro-channels that had flaked off from fitting / rad threads.

CPU Water Block - EK Supremacy Universal CPU Liquid Cooling Block - Clean Plexi (EK-Supremacy Clean CSQ) - No Circles [3830046990808]
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/19628/ex-blc-1442/EK_Supremacy_Universal_CPU_Liquid_Cooling_Block_-_Clean_Plexi_EK-Supremacy_Clean_CSQ.html?tl=g57c603s1912
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7. Fan Controllers. I was originally looking at the FC5 v3, but the knobs won't fit and I don't want to push it back into the case (did I mention I love you guys for this thread? xD). I'm now looking at the lamptron CW611 and the Aquaero 6 XT. Can anyone shed some light on these as I'm struggling to find any reviews that give adequate info on these. I imagine the CW611 is very similar to the FC5 v3, just with 36W per channel. I would really like some info the Aquaero though, it looks super techy (which I love). And comes with a remote and software! The software really intrigues me, is it able to set the controller based off cpu temps?

The Reeven pictured above fits behind the door with buttons out if ya use the predrilled mounting hole which sets it in the frame back about 2mm..... however, the way they work is....press in and they stay in, press again and they pop out so ya can turn them. I just use them for display purposes so I can get readings. Fan control is redundant with the Phanteks PCB handling that load.

I currently have.....

MoBo CHA_1 header => Phanteks PCB_1 => 5 case fans
MoBo CHA_2 header => Phanteks PCB_2 => 5 rad push fans

One the PCBs are released as an accessory at end of April (was December, then January, then March), I will reconfigure

MoBo CHA_2 header => Phanteks PCB_2 => 6 rad push / pull fans for 420
MoBo CHA_3 header => Phanteks PCB_3 => 4 rad push / pull fans for 280

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Sorry for all the questions guys!!

The only dumb question is the one not asked. Since we have very similar builds, feel free to yell or PM at your convenience. There's a pic of the system in my siggie below if ya wanna check the color thing.


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Originally Posted by Unicr0nhunter View Post

Ummm, no way are DDCs quieter than D5s. It's the other way around.

I think this is a contextural thing ..... if ya read some of the tests like martins, there's something to the effect that a 35x2 running at 50% PWM is quieter than a d5 running full tilt. Seems this gets quoted a lot w/o the context.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 4/1/14 at 6:45pm
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Ahhh, now I can't decide between the D5 or the MCP35x2 >.>

Thanks so much for going into detail on the fittings for the QDC setup, very much appreciated =)

Now the only thing left is to choose the pumps. I think I'm going to get the Aquaero 6 XT fan controller, so I'll probably go for a PWM pump whichever one I go, and hopefully control it through software with that controller. That sounds like a fun little project.

If I was to go for a D5, what models do you guys recommend? Something like the Swiftech?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18222/ex-pmp-231/Swiftech_MCP655-PWM-DRIVE_12v_Water_Pump_-_PWM_Enabled_w_G14_Thread_Ports_Perfectly_Tapped.html?tl=g30c107s1802

Also, would there be any drawbacks to running two of these pumps in series with my loop? (keeping in mind the second GPU wont be here for another couple of months). I can always just turn them down for absolute silence yeah, no negative effects?
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Ahhh, now I can't decide between the D5 or the MCP35x2 >.>

Thanks so much for going into detail on the fittings for the QDC setup, very much appreciated =)

Now the only thing left is to choose the pumps. I think I'm going to get the Aquaero 6 XT fan controller, so I'll probably go for a PWM pump whichever one I go, and hopefully control it through software with that controller. That sounds like a fun little project.

If I was to go for a D5, what models do you guys recommend? Something like the Swiftech?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18222/ex-pmp-231/Swiftech_MCP655-PWM-DRIVE_12v_Water_Pump_-_PWM_Enabled_w_G14_Thread_Ports_Perfectly_Tapped.html?tl=g30c107s1802

Also, would there be any drawbacks to running two of these pumps in series with my loop? (keeping in mind the second GPU wont be here for another couple of months). I can always just turn them down for absolute silence yeah, no negative effects?

Nope no negative effects. This is exactly what I have 2 d5 PWM by swiftech and 2 ek tops (one single the other with the combo+reservoir). Get them sleeved unless you don't mind having those wires loose... d5 PWM if not connected to pwm header runs at 60% and it got its 12 v from molex. So, it is not only useful to have 2 pumps for safe back-up in case one fails but it also helps during bleeding since the additional head pressure/flow makes easier to fill all rads and get hid of any bubbles. d5 PWM seems to be one of the most quite pumps around. Right now I have mine two at 40% (2400 rpm) and flow is around 0.6 gpm which is just fine and you can not hear it. While Laing does do PWM d5 I am not sure why usually you don't see other companies sell d5 PWM besides Swiftech. Here is a shot of my loop still with the dual top on it:

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Looks very nice indeed. :thumb:So 2 front and 1 bottom intakes with back and top exhaust?
The support under front of your desk really is close to top of case!.
I assume you blocked the unused top fan holes to keep heated exhaust from coming back into case.
Yeah mate, the case is extremely close to the support bar. Ive thought about putting the case on the desk, however it may be a bit heavy for it. Currently theres a 24" lcd monitor and a 32" lcd tv which are pretty heavy.

Regarding the top exhaust, i may be fitting another exhaust up there so that would only leave 2 areas to cover. But tbh im very impressed with temps so far. Playing bf4 last night and the cpu temps maxed at 62c, (4.5ghz oc on cpu). Usually in the shinobi xl i was seeing 66/67c max. Airflow with the sp fans in front is very good, would be even better if the lower hdd cage was removed as i only have three hdd's installed. Bottom fan helps to move a bit of the heat from the gpu, (non reference cooled card). Ive thought about putting another sp in place of the current alpenfohn red clover, but i quite like the visible red frame ring on that fan.
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Ahhh, now I can't decide between the D5 or the MCP35x2 >.>

Thanks so much for going into detail on the fittings for the QDC setup, very much appreciated =)

Now the only thing left is to choose the pumps. I think I'm going to get the Aquaero 6 XT fan controller, so I'll probably go for a PWM pump whichever one I go, and hopefully control it through software with that controller. That sounds like a fun little project.

If I was to go for a D5, what models do you guys recommend? Something like the Swiftech?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18222/ex-pmp-231/Swiftech_MCP655-PWM-DRIVE_12v_Water_Pump_-_PWM_Enabled_w_G14_Thread_Ports_Perfectly_Tapped.html?tl=g30c107s1802

Also, would there be any drawbacks to running two of these pumps in series with my loop? (keeping in mind the second GPU wont be here for another couple of months). I can always just turn them down for absolute silence yeah, no negative effects?


It will depend on your future plans ..... the more stuff ya think ya may have in ya loop, the more I'd lean to the 35x2....the more flow / pressure ya want, the more I'd lean to the 35x2. At idle, I run at about 0.75 gpm with Delta T of 2.3C.... when gaming, I'll get about 1.5 gpm which puts about 0.75 gpm @ 2250 rpm thru each GFX WB.... Furmark will bring me up to about 1.75 gpm ..... if CPU hits 70, pump goes to full speed (2.25 gpm)

Looking at Martin's 35x2 test

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/01/29/swiftech-mcp35x2-pump/6/

He shows the range of pressures from a low restriction loop to high at about 2.25 gpm @ 5 psi (low restriction loop) to like 1.0 gpm 7.6 psi (high restriction loop) at 50% PWM. Picking a curve "in the middle" for average restriction at 50% PWM gives ya.

1.0 gpm @ 7.2 psi
1.5 gpm @ 6.6 psi
1.75 gpm @ 6.2 psi

Even with a bump to 60% PWM the MCP 655 can't get anywhere near those numbers.....to see what 2 655's can do just double the numbers on the Y axis.

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/12/25/swiftech-mcp-655-pwm-drive-pump-review/4/

0.5 gpm @ 4.2 psi
1.0 gpm @ 3.2 psi
1.5 gpm @ 2.8 psi
2.0 gpm @ 2.2 psi

At 80% PWM, you do a bit better

0.5 gpm @ 6.6 psi
1.0 gpm @ 5.8 psi
1.5 gpm @ 5.2 psi
2.0 gpm @ 4.8 psi

At 50% PWM with the 35x2, I have @ 1.5 gpm and 6.7 psi, which is 0.75 gpm going thru each GFX WB which does well. With twin 655's, I figured I would need to be about 90% PWM to do that. So, between the 35x2 @ 50% PWM and the 655s at 90% PWM, I went with the 35x2.



The aquero is an amazing device ..... but after 100+ hours of pump and fan curve tweaking, I can say:

a) I learned a ton from all the testing and dispelled many WC myths.
b) Fan control in a system such as yours / mine, from a "logical PoV", has no "real" significance from a user perspective.

Yes, I know you are shocked but what is the purpose of fan control ? If the idea is to minimize sound noise when the cooling is not needed, given the following:

-Delta T under Furmark stress testing results in Delta T of 8.4C at 1185 rpm.
-Fans become audible at just under 900 rpm (with side panels off)
-At 850 rpm, Furmark can get me to 12.4 - 12.8 Delta T (~25 % above my target but of no real impact on anything)
-Adding the push fans when the Phanteks PCB is available, will knock that down to my original 10C Delta T target which was based on fans in P/P to begin with.
-My fans now operate between 325 and 850 rpm under all loads except synthetic benchmarks, even when stress testing with application based stress tests like RoG Real Bench

So..... given the above, how would my user experience change if I just left the fans fixed at 850 rpm and was done with it ? From a user experience standpoint, since the fans are inaudible at all points between 325 and 850 rpm, I gain nothing by slowing them down. Of course I'd miss all the fun of experimentation and the lessons I have learned but that doesn't change the user experience.

That being said, I'd look at it from a "what do you gain from the $250 investment ?" perspective....

Will your machine run any quieter ? No, at least not that you can hear
Will your machine run any cooler ? No, at least not that is of any significance
Will it provide any additional info ? Yes, but is any of it not available thru other means or is it of any usable value ?
Will give gives you hours and hours of geeky enjoyment ? Very much a yes smile.gif

You can control your 35x2 or twin D5's of the MoBo CPU and CPU_OPT headers.
You can control all ya fans with CPU and / or CHA headers on your MoBo and the Phanteks PCBs

So if ya getting for the fun of experimentation and learning about ya system's working by all means go for it (budget permitting). If ya getting it to control noise or because ya think ya need it...... ya don't...... last thing I will say is I did have it (the Aquero 5) on my list and decided to put off the purchase till the version 6 came out. By the time it did come out, I was a bit put off by the learning curve I kept reading about in the reviews and was satisfied enough with the info I was getting from the Asus FanXpert2 software to the point where I didn't see any value. Of course, when I have gone as far as I can with what I got, and get bored ..... I'm likely to develop reasons why I "need" to have it smile.gif.



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Welcome mate. Sounds like you will end up with a similar loop like mine. Uni and Gunilla already point you to very good directions.

1) Yes, you have room to control the position of your 420 mm rad on top. Here is what I found. Mine have the ports facing front (is a xt 45 so I have 6 ports).

My XT45-420 , and UT60-280, have 7 ports.



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Gonna reroute the pcie and ATX cables through the grommets and get a bit cut out of the res bracket. Cant install it at present due to the length of the gpu.

How long is that GFX card ? I know the original one is 11.5 or about 0.9" too long but mounted in ya case, it looks shorter.....certainly doesn't look 1.9" longer than ya MoBo.

I have the 780s in 2 & 3 / 5 & 6 and they fit at 10.5" long with 2-3mm to spare.

As for ya siggie build list..... you do mean that you are using one (1) Gigabyte REV2.0 GeForce GTX 780 3GB WindForce 3X 450W Video Card and not three (3) of them I assume, the x3 at the end had me thinking you had two more going in which of course would be a no-go with the M6F.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 4/2/14 at 11:25am
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It will depend on your future plans ..... the more stuff ya think ya may have in ya loop, the more I'd lean to the 35x2....the more flow / pressure ya want, the more I'd lean to the 35x2. At idle, I run at about 0.75 gpm with Delta T of 2.3C.... when gaming, I'll get about 1.5 gpm which puts about 0.75 gpm @ 2250 rpm thru each GFX WB.... Furmark will bring me up to about 1.75 gpm ..... if CPU hits 70, pump goes to full speed (2.25 gpm)

Looking at Martin's 35x2 test

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/01/29/swiftech-mcp35x2-pump/6/

He shows the range of pressures from a low restriction loop to high at about 2.25 gpm @ 5 psi (low restriction loop) to like 1.0 gpm 7.6 psi (high restriction loop) at 50% PWM. Picking a curve "in the middle" for average restriction at 50% PWM gives ya.

1.0 gpm @ 7.2 psi
1.5 gpm @ 6.6 psi
1.75 gpm @ 6.2 psi

Even with a bump to 60% PWM the MCP 655 can't get anywhere near those numbers.....to see what 2 655's can do just double the numbers on the Y axis.

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/12/25/swiftech-mcp-655-pwm-drive-pump-review/4/

0.5 gpm @ 4.2 psi
1.0 gpm @ 3.2 psi
1.5 gpm @ 2.8 psi
2.0 gpm @ 2.2 psi

At 80% PWM, you do a bit better

0.5 gpm @ 6.6 psi
1.0 gpm @ 5.8 psi
1.5 gpm @ 5.2 psi
2.0 gpm @ 4.8 psi

At 50% PWM with the 35x2, I have @ 1.5 gpm and 6.7 psi, which is 0.75 gpm going thru each GFX WB which does well. With twin 655's, I figured I would need to be about 90% PWM to do that. So, between the 35x2 @ 50% PWM and the 655s at 90% PWM, I went with the 35x2.



The aquero is an amazing device ..... but after 100+ hours of pump and fan curve tweaking, I can say:

a) I learned a ton from all the testing and dispelled many WC myths.
b) Fan control in a system such as yours / mine, from a "logical PoV", has no "real" significance from a user perspective.

Yes, I know you are shocked but what is the purpose of fan control ? If the idea is to minimize sound noise when the cooling is not needed, given the following:

-Delta T under Furmark stress testing results in Delta T of 8.4C at 1185 rpm.
-Fans become audible at just under 900 rpm (with side panels off)
-At 850 rpm, Furmark can get me to 12.4 - 12.8 Delta T (~25 % above my target but of no real impact on anything)
-Adding the push fans when the Phanteks PCB is available, will knock that down to my original 10C Delta T target which was based on fans in P/P to begin with.
-My fans now operate between 325 and 850 rpm under all loads except synthetic benchmarks, even when stress testing with application based stress tests like RoG Real Bench

So..... given the above, how would my user experience change if I just left the fans fixed at 850 rpm and was done with it ? From a user experience standpoint, since the fans are inaudible at all points between 325 and 850 rpm, I gain nothing by slowing them down. Of course I'd miss all the fun of experimentation and the lessons I have learned but that doesn't change the user experience.

That being said, I'd look at it from a "what do you gain from the $250 investment ?" perspective....

Will your machine run any quieter ? No, at least not that you can hear
Will your machine run any cooler ? No, at least not that is of any significance
Will it provide any additional info ? Yes, but is any of it not available thru other means or is it of any usable value ?
Will give gives you hours and hours of geeky enjoyment ? Very much a yes smile.gif

You can control your 35x2 or twin D5's of the MoBo CPU and CPU_OPT headers.
You can control all ya fans with CPU and / or CHA headers on your MoBo and the Phanteks PCBs

So if ya getting for the fun of experimentation and learning about ya system's working by all means go for it (budget permitting). If ya getting it to control noise or because ya think ya need it...... ya don't...... last thing I will say is I did have it (the Aquero 5) on my list and decided to put off the purchase till the version 6 came out. By the time it did come out, I was a bit put off by the learning curve I kept reading about in the reviews and was satisfied enough with the info I was getting from the Asus FanXpert2 software to the point where I didn't see any value. Of course, when I have gone as far as I can with what I got, and get bored ..... I'm likely to develop reasons why I "need" to have it smile.gif.
My XT45-420 , and UT60-280, have 7 ports.

Some have six mate (or was only the 480 model that have such inconsistency of 6 x 7) but in any case it is a drain port not a port that should be used in a loop.

bold = latter edit
Edited by Gabrielzm - 4/2/14 at 11:18am
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Some have six mate (or was only the 480 model that have such inconsistency of 6 x 7) but in any case it is a drain port not a port that should be used in a loop.

Yes, I have been trying to determine for some time which ones have the 6 and which ones have the 7...... is the 6 the current model or is the 7 ? All the original reviews that is aw had 6, so I assumed 7 was current. The reason I mentioned it is that the original port question was with regard to temperature ports whereby, if ya want average rad water temp, this is prolly the best spot to put it. In the typical installation, this puts it closer to the Fan Controller , temp display, MoBo sensor also.

Whenever I can mange, I'll use ....

Top Rad - Tops Ports = Fill / Bleed / Side Ports = Temp Sensors / Bottom Ports = Loop connections

Bottom Rad - Tops Ports = Loop connections / Side Ports = Temp Sensors / Bottom Ports = Drain
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Yes, I have been trying to determine for some time which ones have the 6 and which ones have the 7...... is the 6 the current model or is the 7 ? All the original reviews that is aw had 6, so I assumed 7 was current. The reason I mentioned it is that the original port question was with regard to temperature ports whereby, if ya want average rad water temp, this is prolly the best spot to put it. In the typical installation, this puts it closer to the Fan Controller , temp display, MoBo sensor also.

Whenever I can mange, I'll use ....

Top Rad - Tops Ports = Fill / Bleed / Side Ports = Temp Sensors / Bottom Ports = Loop connections

Bottom Rad - Tops Ports = Loop connections / Side Ports = Temp Sensors / Bottom Ports = Drain

Yep agree with the use of that ports on both tops and bottom position. Both my 480 and 420 came with 7 ports so I lean forward to an update on part of OCool to include the 7 ports but it is all speculation on my part no solid fact or official Ocool docs proving it. The temp probe can be installed as you pointed both on the side drain port or on the side ports of the 7 ports version. The 7 ports give you more versatility since if the "normal" ports are facing front you can place the temp either rear or front (I would favor front cause is close to the fan controller) and the same goes with the normal ports facing rear.
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How long is that GFX card ? I know the original one is 11.5 or about 0.9" too long but mounted in ya case, it looks shorter.....certainly doesn't look 1.9" longer than ya MoBo.

I have the 780s in 2 & 3 / 5 & 6 and they fit at 10.5" long with 2-3mm to spare.

As for ya siggie build list..... you do mean that you are using one (1) Gigabyte REV2.0 GeForce GTX 780 3GB WindForce 3X 450W Video Card and not three (3) of them I assume, the x3 at the end had me thinking you had two more going in which of course would be a no-go with the M6F.
The card is the rev 1.0 windforce model, 11.5" long going by a few reviews. And yes, just currently the single 780, the x3 refers to the 3 fans that it uses. Prior to this i ran sli gtx 670 windforce cards. The formula is actually a pretty nicely spaced board for multi gpu, it looks like a small gap compared to some boards but in the flesh its quite good.
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In the end i still couldn't decide, i ended up going for 2x Swiftech MCP D5s. I may change later on but we will see, it should do the job.

As for the fan controller, it's the "hours of geeky enjoyment" I'm after xD

I know its way over the top and unnecessary, but it will be fun smile.gif. I cant wait to hook up all my pumps, fans, LEDs, and play with the software options.

Typing this I now realise I forgot to order the waterblock for the Aquaero. ****.
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