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Originally Posted by Strider49
A few weeks ago I made my first post here saying that I was divided between going air or water on this case. Well, I've made my decision and I'm going water on the CPU for now (GPU will be added to the loop in the coming months and that'll be it).
I have been learning about WC on the web and pretty much have already decided what components I should get. So, now I have some questions for you about radiator compatibility and fans suitability.
Will the Alphacool UT60 360 fit in the top of the case in a push/pull configuration (I'm just getting 3 fans for now, but would like to add more in the future)? If not, should I consider the 360 or 480 XT45 instead?
Which one is better and by how much? UT60 in pull or XT45 in push/pull?
I'm planning on pairing the Alphacool UT60 with NoiseBlocker's eLoop B12-3 120mm fans rated @1900 RPM. Do these make a good match or not? Are they among the best ones for the money?
The answer to the UT60 is "it depends" ..... The 360 presents less issues than the 420 in this respect but in my build, the 60 in P/P blocked many of my MoBo features ....some where installation oriented .... i.e. you have no access to 8 pin EPS cable w/o removing bottom fans..... others were blocked access to features like the LED diagnostic panel.
As to what's better.... here's all the data on most commonly used rads compiled from matinsliquidlab site
The UT60 will deliver a whopping 7 more watts using the Phanteks fans @ 1250 rpm.... little less as they don't actually run that high.
XT45-360 = 247 watts in push pull
UT60-360 = 254
XT45-420 = 302
XT45-480 = 296
UT60-480 = 303
As to your question ... The UT60-360 in push delivers 188 watts / the XT45-360 in P/P delivers 247 watts ..... a rad with 2 fans will always always be better than thicker rads w/ one as thicker rads really don't do anything of significance until like 2200 rpm where I'b be leaving the room because of noise. This list is basically "per fan" or "per 120mm of read" ....adding a 2nd fan in push adds around 21% in martins testing which of course will vary by fan (10 - 30%)1250 rpm in push
ST30 - 60 watts
XT45 - 61
UT60 - 63
Monsta - 661400 rpm in push
ST30 - 66 watts
XT45 - 68
UT60 - 70
Monsta - 74
1800 rpm in push
ST30 - 81
XT45 - 86
UT60 - 90
Monsta 80 - 94The real deal here is the XT45-420
..... for one, it's like the rad was made for this case....
1. Ya can place it so the top ports are accessible from the top of the case
2. The XT45-420 delivers about the same cooling as the UT60-480
3. The XT45 ($85) with 6 Phanteks fans ($90) in push pull is about $175.
- XT45-480 w/ fans is $225
- UT60-360 w/ fans is $190
- UT60-480 w/ fans is $250
I have a 420 + 280 in push only with the Phanteks fans the case came with and it keeps the 4770K (4.6 Ghz - 74C)) and twin 780s (25% OC - 39C) at 8.4C Delta T with no filters or grilles in place.... slowing things down and adding the filters brings me up to 12,8C and GPU temps of 44C.
As for the fan question, the Phanteks fans are superb and I wouldn't think of replacing them. And 1900 rpm is a bit screamy noise wise .....I have the Phanteks fans working from about 325 to 850 rpm and they are dead silent at those speeds.
Martin site has loads of fan data but unfortunately he hasn't tested many of the new designs..... SPCR has but there test are on air coolers..... but when ya think about it, air coolers with their tight fin spacing present more of a challenge than 10 fpi rads like you and I are using.
Originally Posted by doyll
Yeah, I\ve made a few. Retired from custom word work so have tools and skills.
Yes, there is that space between filter and floor or your base. But the sides and front of base only has about as much vent area as one 120mm fan has.
And that is not even considering how restrictive the stock vent mesh is.
Do you have any pics of the underside w/o the "Doylly Dolly" ?
I wanna lift mine off the desk but was am thinking 4 hockey pucks or just 1 x 2's at each and and was wondering how critical placement might be. At this ppoint the thing is too damn heavy to flip.Edited by JackNaylorPE - 4/9/14 at 1:24pm