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Of course they'd release it after I decided to buy other things. mad.gif
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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The WHITE Enthoo hits the shelves

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854002
The answer to the UT60 is "it depends" ..... The 360 presents less issues than the 420 in this respect but in my build, the 60 in P/P blocked many of my MoBo features ....some where installation oriented .... i.e. you have no access to 8 pin EPS cable w/o removing bottom fans..... others were blocked access to features like the LED diagnostic panel.

As to what's better.... here's all the data on most commonly used rads compiled from matinsliquidlab site

http://www.overclock.net/t/1457426/radiator-size-estimator

The UT60 will deliver a whopping 7 more watts using the Phanteks fans @ 1250 rpm.... little less as they don't actually run that high.

XT45-360 = 247 watts in push pull
UT60-360 = 254
XT45-420 = 302
XT45-480 = 296
UT60-480 = 303

As to your question ... The UT60-360 in push delivers 188 watts / the XT45-360 in P/P delivers 247 watts ..... a rad with 2 fans will always always be better than thicker rads w/ one as thicker rads really don't do anything of significance until like 2200 rpm where I'b be leaving the room because of noise. This list is basically "per fan" or "per 120mm of read" ....adding a 2nd fan in push adds around 21% in martins testing which of course will vary by fan (10 - 30%)

1250 rpm in push
ST30 - 60 watts
XT45 - 61
UT60 - 63
Monsta - 66

1400 rpm in push
ST30 - 66 watts
XT45 - 68
UT60 - 70
Monsta - 74

1800 rpm in push

ST30 - 81
XT45 - 86
UT60 - 90
Monsta 80 - 94


The real deal here is the XT45-420 ..... for one, it's like the rad was made for this case....

1. Ya can place it so the top ports are accessible from the top of the case
2. The XT45-420 delivers about the same cooling as the UT60-480
3. The XT45 ($85) with 6 Phanteks fans ($90) in push pull is about $175.
- XT45-480 w/ fans is $225
- UT60-360 w/ fans is $190
- UT60-480 w/ fans is $250

I have a 420 + 280 in push only with the Phanteks fans the case came with and it keeps the 4770K (4.6 Ghz - 74C)) and twin 780s (25% OC - 39C) at 8.4C Delta T with no filters or grilles in place.... slowing things down and adding the filters brings me up to 12,8C and GPU temps of 44C.

As for the fan question, the Phanteks fans are superb and I wouldn't think of replacing them. And 1900 rpm is a bit screamy noise wise .....I have the Phanteks fans working from about 325 to 850 rpm and they are dead silent at those speeds.

Martin site has loads of fan data but unfortunately he hasn't tested many of the new designs..... SPCR has but there test are on air coolers..... but when ya think about it, air coolers with their tight fin spacing present more of a challenge than 10 fpi rads like you and I are using.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1345-page7.html
Do you have any pics of the underside w/o the "Doylly Dolly" ? smile.gif

I wanna lift mine off the desk but was am thinking 4 hockey pucks or just 1 x 2's at each and and was wondering how critical placement might be. At this ppoint the thing is too damn heavy to flip.

Google image search for 'bottom enthoo primo' found this:

Phanteks Enthoo Primo Bottom

Is that what you needed? I can flip mine over and probably take a better pic if not.

There definitely is an airflow issue to the bottom of the case as Phanteks designed it. Anyone putting a rad down there should seriously think about remedying it somehow.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 4/9/14 at 1:56pm
post #3543 of 18654
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Here's one. A hockey puck under each corner foot would be bigger than needed, but would definitely work. Any kids nearby with with a few square wooden blocks you could steal? biggrin.gif
post #3544 of 18654
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The WHITE Enthoo hits the shelves

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854002



and already out of stock, I am looking forward to some build in white.
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Wow, Newegg out of stock already? That was what? 12 hours? Not even enough time to clear the purchase with the wife. biggrin.gif
I think I am going to wait for one of the special edition ones anyway, the ones with the black exterior and a white, red, or orange interior.
Now just have to decided between the white or red interior. White would look nicer for my UV lighting plans, but red would really go well with my favorite mobos,. The orange would be the most unique but would have to ditch the Phantek fans for some orange cougars .tongue.gif
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My money is on Newegg didn't have any to sell. biggrin.gif

Phanteks USA is taking pre-orders

Phanteks forum quote from brian@phanteks on 31.03.2014
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We will be taking preorders for the white Enthoo Primo these next two weeks on phanteksusa.com. With orders expecting to ship the week of the 14th.

And for Enthoo Luxe he said
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The Enthoo Luxe release has been delayed and more details will be announced in the middle of April.

Edited by doyll - 4/10/14 at 4:27am
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I haven't yet pre-ordered the white Primo, but I'm sorely tempted. Waiting can be tough enough without upping the ante (as I discovered by pre-ordering the original Primo). I read the Haswell "refresh" could be launched by May 10, so I'm thinking about a "9 series" chipset and refreshed Haswell for the new white whale. If, IF, I go that route, perhaps I'll seriously consider a Swiftech WC kit.



I really like the Luxe and, were I in the market for a somewhat smaller case, that would be the "gold" standard.
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My build has been delayed for months because of Phanteks, hopefully the white one will finally be released soon in Europe too. It has been aggravating wait.
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My money is on Newegg didn't have any to sell. biggrin.gif


That thought went through my mind as well, It is hard to believe that if they were to sell them they might have gotten quite a few.
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Newegg did the same thing several times with the RIVBE motherboard. They listed it for pre-order and it sold out within hours, and that happened several times over the course of a month or so before they or any other US retailers managed to actually get any in quantities stock that didn't sell out right away. I was lucky enough to have seen a post about it here at OCN and was able to get in on the first wave of pre-orders and got my board about a week later.

Apparently Newegg only had a limited number of the white Enthoo Primos coming in, and unlike some other sites (cough - NCIX - cough - overclockers.uk - cough) they don't ever blindly take pre-orders except for items in quantities that they already have confirmed enroute to them. Anyone who was paying any attention at all to the RIVBE thread will remember how EXTREMELY upset so very many people were with ALL other sites that were taking pre-orders (especially NCIX), but every one of the very few that sold through pre-order from Newegg was shipped/received soon after (literally weeks before anyone got that board through anyone else - unless they were a reviewer)

As far as UK / EU availability goes, it's probably worth mentioning that in the instance of the first Enthoo Primo they were first made available in the US with the first cases shipping on Oct 20, 2013, and the first cases started showing up in the UK/EU on ~ Nov 12. (about 3 weeks later).

Any new word on when the fan hubs might be made available for sale individually? Last I heard Brian the Phanteks rep was giving an ETA of March. headscratch.gif
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 4/10/14 at 6:55am
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