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Using the stock fans sounds good to me. Guess that means I can't talk you out of them. rolleyes.gif I really can't help with the delidding
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Can i use the fan hub with my new maximus hero motherboard? It is not in the compatibility list and I remember reading it was a problem but can not find the post.
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Can i use the fan hub with my new maximus hero motherboard? It is not in the compatibility list and I remember reading it was a problem but can not find the post.

What compatibility list? That's the first I heard of that.

The fan hub should work with a PWM header on any motherboard.

According to the MAXIMUS VI HERO manual linked here, all of the fan headers on that board are PWM (that's pretty surprising actually), but iirc ASUS made mistakes in several of their mobo manuals showing them like that when really only the CPU_FAN & CPU_OPT were PWM, which is more typical of mobos these days. I wouldn't really trust that the CHA headers are really PWM unless it was confirmed by ASUS support or the like.

That said, I think Jack is running his Phanteks hub from one of the voltage-controlled (non-PWM) CHA headers on his ASUS Maximus VI Formula (I think that's his board) and he says that's working for him, so maybe it doesn't really matter, but even the Phanteks rep has said the hub wasn't designed to be used like that. It's supposed to be connected to a PWM header.
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I was under the impression that the headers put out more power than normal and that conflicted with the molex power from the psu. Fyi there are no socket 1150 boards in the compatibility list on the phanteks website.

http://phanteks.com/Compatibility.html#top

I am not doubting your information. I just want to be sure before I hook it up. Can anyone with the board confirm the hub works with the extra power from the psu connected.

This is a big upgrade for me, first unlocked processor and first ROG board. Going from a phenom2 945 to an I7 4770k and cant wait.
Edited by smoke420 - 4/13/14 at 6:33am
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My top vent have a little bulge with my 140 fans which came with the case, they are mounted directly to the case though and my 480 are mountet with small screws directly to the top as well

The bulge is almost unnoticable though thumb.gif
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post #3577 of 18708
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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

(...)

The answer to the UT60 is "it depends" ..... The 360 presents less issues than the 420 in this respect but in my build, the 60 in P/P blocked many of my MoBo features ....some where installation oriented .... i.e. you have no access to 8 pin EPS cable w/o removing bottom fans..... others were blocked access to features like the LED diagnostic panel.

As to what's better.... here's all the data on most commonly used rads compiled from matinsliquidlab site

http://www.overclock.net/t/1457426/radiator-size-estimator

The UT60 will deliver a whopping 7 more watts using the Phanteks fans @ 1250 rpm.... little less as they don't actually run that high.

XT45-360 = 247 watts in push pull
UT60-360 = 254
XT45-420 = 302
XT45-480 = 296
UT60-480 = 303

As to your question ... The UT60-360 in push delivers 188 watts / the XT45-360 in P/P delivers 247 watts ..... a rad with 2 fans will always always be better than thicker rads w/ one as thicker rads really don't do anything of significance until like 2200 rpm where I'b be leaving the room because of noise. This list is basically "per fan" or "per 120mm of read" ....adding a 2nd fan in push adds around 21% in martins testing which of course will vary by fan (10 - 30%)

1250 rpm in push
ST30 - 60 watts
XT45 - 61
UT60 - 63
Monsta - 66

1400 rpm in push
ST30 - 66 watts
XT45 - 68
UT60 - 70
Monsta - 74

1800 rpm in push

ST30 - 81
XT45 - 86
UT60 - 90
Monsta 80 - 94


The real deal here is the XT45-420 ..... for one, it's like the rad was made for this case....

1. Ya can place it so the top ports are accessible from the top of the case
2. The XT45-420 delivers about the same cooling as the UT60-480
3. The XT45 ($85) with 6 Phanteks fans ($90) in push pull is about $175.
- XT45-480 w/ fans is $225
- UT60-360 w/ fans is $190
- UT60-480 w/ fans is $250

I have a 420 + 280 in push only with the Phanteks fans the case came with and it keeps the 4770K (4.6 Ghz - 74C)) and twin 780s (25% OC - 39C) at 8.4C Delta T with no filters or grilles in place.... slowing things down and adding the filters brings me up to 12,8C and GPU temps of 44C.

As for the fan question, the Phanteks fans are superb and I wouldn't think of replacing them. And 1900 rpm is a bit screamy noise wise .....I have the Phanteks fans working from about 325 to 850 rpm and they are dead silent at those speeds.

Martin site has loads of fan data but unfortunately he hasn't tested many of the new designs..... SPCR has but there test are on air coolers..... but when ya think about it, air coolers with their tight fin spacing present more of a challenge than 10 fpi rads like you and I are using.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1345-page7.html
(...)

Hey,

Thank you for this thorough explanation and for sharing those links. Thanks also to Gabrielzm and Leeford for your insight. So, based on what you three said I decided I'll go with the 420 XT45 and buy some more of these Phanteks fans.

Well, before that, I have another doubt. I have been trying to decide which graphics card (780 Ti) to get for the last few weeks, and I came up with these three:

- Asus DirectCU II OC: 639€
- EVGA SC w/ ACX cooler: 645€
- EVGA Dual Classified: 679€

Initially I was all set on getting the Asus card, but now the price of the Classified went down to 679€ and it became much more appealing to me. Unlike Asus, the Classified can be 100% voltage unlocked by software, we can take off the ACX cooler without voiding the warranty (there are no warranty stickers on the cooler screws) and it has even more phases for the GPU and memory.

There is a problem though. From what I read on this thread, the Classified card cannot be installed on this case with the reservoir bracket mounted and it even blocks the top holes on the back panel Phanteks provided for mounting the res there, as you can see in this image (taken by Kurodragon): http://www.overclock.net/t/1418637/lightbox/post/21451753/id/1809184

So, what I want to ask you is: can I still mount a cylinder plexi res there on the back panel or not? Particularly, the Phobya Balancer 150 res.

Cheers
Edited by Strider49 - 4/16/14 at 4:14pm
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Hey guys smile.gif I'm having a slight problem with the Phanteks PWM fan hub, wondering if anybody else has experienced this? I have 6 Noiseblocker e-loops (non-PWM) attached to the fan hub, and for some reason they randomly stop spinning. The fans are all functional -- it's not always the same fan(s) that stops. Inititally, I thought it may have been a controller conflict between the bios fan control and Asus Fan Xpert software, but I recently uninstalled Asus Fan Xpert, intending to use only the bios fan control. But even using only the bios settings, the fans periodically just stop spinning. And when they do, the only way to get them started again is to shut down entirely and reboot (from a completely powered down state -- just restarting does not reset the fans).

Have any of you seen this behavior with the fan hub? If so, what kind of fans? I'm wondering if there's an inherent issue with the fan hub & e-loops? Or is my fan hub defective, maybe?
Edited by chrisnyc75 - 4/14/14 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by smoke420 View Post

Can i use the fan hub with my new maximus hero motherboard? It is not in the compatibility list and I remember reading it was a problem but can not find the post.

The fan hub works on any header.

PWM Header - Asus makes no MoBos that I am aware of that have PWM on anything bit the CPU and CPU_OPT headers. Asus TS and forum staff have claimed otherwise on numerous occassions, but in the end they have come back and said "Oops, sorry, they are not PWM". The Hero definitely does not have PWM on the chassis headers as the Hero threads on RoG Forums have confirmed it. You can use a PWM MoBo header (CPU and CPU_OPT) to control your fans with or without the 12V auxillary power connector and use the full compliment of 11 fans.

VV Headers - All Asus MoBos and all MoBos as far as I have been able to determine .... at this point in time ..... use Variable Voltage (VV) control on all the CHA and OPT Headers. You can not use the 12V auxillary power connector when using these headers as the 12v feed from the PSU will trash the variable voltage signal from the header and you will run at full speed. These headers are 1 amp on the Hero and M6F......my old Rampage board had 2 amp headers but I'm told the current Rampage is only 1 amp also. As such I wouldn't recommend more than 6 fans be used under VV control. (6 x 0.14 = 0.84 amps) .... 1200 rpm fans don't have the inertia of faster fans so I don't worry as much about inrush current with the Phanteks fans..... also AISuite (FanXpert2) ramps up the speed slowly which also quashes inrush current. However, in one of my "dumbass" moments, I connected 6 fan wires to my PCB not realizing for 3-4 days that two of them had splitters.,..... so I actually had 8 x 0.14 or 1.12 amps + hitting my header and nuthin' fried.

Once the hubs become available as an accessory, I will buy a 3rd PCB and do this:

CHA_1 => PCB_1 => (5) case fans
CHA_2 => PCB_2 => (6) rad fans for 420
CHA_1 => PCB_1 => (4) rad fans for 280

Right now I still have 5 fans in push on one PCB and 5 fans on the case on the 2nd. Will buy the 5 extra fans for pull when the PCB hits the shelves.


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Originally Posted by smoke420 View Post

I was under the impression that the headers put out more power than normal and that conflicted with the molex power from the psu. Fyi there are no socket 1150 boards in the compatibility list on the phanteks website.

http://phanteks.com/Compatibility.html#top

That''s the CPU Cooler Compatibility List

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Originally Posted by Roxycon View Post

My top vent have a little bulge with my 140 fans which came with the case, they are mounted directly to the case though and my 480 are mountet with small screws directly to the top as well

The bulge is almost unnoticable though thumb.gif

My top fans are not mounted to the case .... perhaps the screw heads are the issue ?

I used the radiator socket head screws which are countersunk inside the fan screw mounts..... the screw goes thru the rad, not into the case but directly into the radiator below.... can get 100 screws from amazon for like $9 if that's the source of the bulge and ya wanna get rid of it..




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Originally Posted by Strider49 View Post

Well, before that, I have another doubt. I have been trying to decide which graphics card (780 Ti) to get for the last few weeks, and I came up with these three:

- Asus DirectCU II OC: 639€
- EVGA SC w/ ACX cooler: 645€
- EVGA Dual Classified: 679€

Initially I was all set on getting the Asus card, but now the price of the Classified went down to 679€ and it became much more appealing to me. Unlike Asus, the Classified can be 100% voltage unlocked by software, we can take off the ACX cooler without voiding the warranty (there are no warranty stickers on the cooler screws) and it has even more phases for the GPU and memory.

There is a problem though. From what I read on this thread, the Classified card cannot be installed on this case with the reservoir bracket mounted and it even blocks the top holes on the back panel Phanteks provided for mounting the res there, as you can see in this image (taken by Kurodragon): http://www.overclock.net/t/1418637/lightbox/post/21451753/id/1809184

So, what I want to ask you is: can I still mount a cylinder plexi res there on the back panel or not? Particularly, the Phobya Balancer 150 res.

Cheers

Ya have about 10.6" to fit a 60mm Res .... little more if ya drop to a 50mm (+5mm) or about 0.2 in

Both the 780 Ti and 780 are 11.3" long....the air cooler should extends over about 0.8" which is where the 10.5" dimension comes from..... I can not confirm that it is the same on the 780 and 780 Ti but according to EK, they use the same WB cause they have the same PCB so it should work.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_780_ti_gaming_review,2.html

The MSI is also a 10.5" PCB and seems to be TechPowerUps favorite..... EK does have a block for it ... MAKE SURE ya get the short Nickel one

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_Ti_Gaming/29.html
http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/

EK-FC780 GTX Ti - Nickel [3831109868638]
EK-FC780 GTX Ti Backplate - Black [3831109868331]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_Ti_Gaming/29.html

The Classy boes not fit, it's PCB is 0.4" too long to use the res bracket w/o mods.


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Originally Posted by chrisnyc75 View Post

Hey guys smile.gif I'm having a slight problem with the Phanteks PWM fan hub, wondering if anybody else has experienced this? I have 6 Noiseblocker e-loops (non-PWM) attached to the fan hub, and for some reason they randomly stop spinning. The fans are all functional -- it's not always the same fan(s) that stops. Inititally, I thought it may have been a controller conflict between the bios fan control and Asus Fan Xpert software, but I recently uninstalled Asus Fan Xpert, intending to use only the bios fan control. But even using only the bios settings, the fans periodically just stop spinning. And when they do, the only way to get them started again is to shut down entirely and reboot (from a completely powered down state -- just restarting does not reset the fans).

Have any of you seen this behavior with the fan hub? If so, what kind of fans? I'm wondering if there's an inherent issue with the fan hub & e-loops? Or is my fan hub defective, maybe?

I wuda went the other way .... the BIOS control is limited so I wuda suggested turning that off and not having them fight each other. Ya fans can spin down to a point lower than they can restart at.... for example..... they might spin down to 325 but need 350 rpm to get started so if ya set the controls yaself, that could happen. The FanXpert2 software OTOH is designed to overcome this. It will spin the fans up and down and record / display the stop / startup speeds and set the lower limit at a point where ya won't be in that no mans land territory.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 4/14/14 at 2:25pm
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Ya have about 10.6" to fit a 60mm Res .... little more if ya drop to a 50mm (+5mm) or about 0.2 in

Both the 780 Ti and 780 are 11.3" long....the air cooler should extends over about 0.8" which is where the 10.5" dimension comes from..... I can not confirm that it is the same on the 780 and 780 Ti but according to EK, they use the same WB cause they have the same PCB so it should work.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_780_ti_gaming_review,2.html

The MSI is also a 10.5" PCB and seems to be TechPowerUps favorite..... EK does have a block for it ... MAKE SURE ya get the short Nickel one

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_Ti_Gaming/29.html
http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/

EK-FC780 GTX Ti - Nickel [3831109868638]
EK-FC780 GTX Ti Backplate - Black [3831109868331]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_Ti_Gaming/29.html

The Classy boes not fit, it's PCB is 0.4" too long to use the res bracket w/o mods.

Yeah, I know the Classy has a PCB that is 11'' long and that one cannot place the res to the right of the MoBo without some modding. But I'm actually talking about the width of that same PCB. As you can see in the image by Kurodragon in my previous post, the card blocks the top few holes on the back panel of the case Phanteks provided for mounting a res there. Will I still be able to install the Phobya 50mm res there? If not, then I think that's a big flaw in the design of the case.

The MSI got a 9.9 on TPU's review, but it has a reference PCB and, as far as I know, the brand only offers a 2 year warranty in my country, unlike Asus and EVGA who offer 3 years. That's why I only consider these two brands. There are two problems with the Asus card however: one is that the warranty is voided as soon as one takes the DirectCU II cooler off; and second, Guru's high precision thermal imaging equipment reported some really high temps on the VRM (~100ºC), and, considering I'm going to run the card on air for the next few months, this is a no-no for me.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_directcu_geforce_gtx_780_ti_oc_review,27.html

Some guys have reported this same issue in the ROG forums, even in the GTX 780, as you can see here:

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?45151-780Ti-DC2-VRM-temp-issue/page2
Edited by Strider49 - 4/14/14 at 3:50pm
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