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Originally Posted by Gabrielzm View Post

Don't have this reservoir but it looks like it would fit without problem even with the classified. But here is another idea. Keep the metal reservoir bracket (the one with the cut on it not the plastic piece) and take it to a metal shop and cut it a little bit deeper. Then you would be able to fit the classified there + the reservoir. I have a regular titan (10.5 or ~267 mm) + Ek reservoir (60 mm and still have room to spare). Your future classified thumb.gif + 50 mm reservoir will give you ~the same space occupied that I have. You will have to mod a little bit (metal shop to cut the piece deeper) and perhaps drill a few holes to align the reservoir but will look a lot better and be more functional I think. You can have an idea of the cut + drill + painting job on the reservoir bracket looking at my build log.

Also notice that Aquacomputer just released (EDIT- well, I think was released last year...) a version of their reservoirs with 50 mm width too. Some versions even have the fill level sensor in the reservoir.

http://shop.aquacomputer.de/product_info.php?products_id=3049

Hope it helps mate.
Gabriel

Thank you once again. thumb.gif I've been doing some research, and found out the dimensions of the Classified are 11'' x 1.5'' x 5.9''. From the pdf 'EnthooDimensions' on post #1000 of this thread, made by JackNaylorPE, I was able to retrieve the measures for the clearances between the edge of the card and the side panel and between the other edge of the card and the back of the 5.25'' bays: the first is ~47mm and the latter is 64mm.
So, no chance of fitting the 50mm res on the back panel, unless I raise it to a point where it'd fit above the card, I guess, using the top few holes to mount the "bracket". This is because I plan on installing the Classified in the lowest PCIe x16 slot of the Hero and putting the sound card in the uppermost x1 slot, so that it won't block the airflow to the graphics card. I don't know if I'm thinking right, I'm just doing some visualisation.
On the other hand, if I choose to put the res to the right of the MoBo, and it'd certainly look a lot better, there's plenty of space to do so. The problem is the cutting, it's only 0.1 or 0.2 more inches, but I don't have the skills or the tools to do that... I guess I'll just follow your advice and take the bracket to a metal shop or a friend. I wonder if Phanteks will sell the bracket and the plastic cover later as an add-on... If so, I'd be much more prone to make the cutting and drilling. If I or a friend screwed the first one up, I'd at least have a spare one.
Btw, just ordered the Classy, it should be here only next week, I guess (Easter Holiday). tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

Well I don't know that I'd call it a flaw ..... in any design you have to make compromises and I think Phanteks went all out to accommodate 95+% of the cards out there.....yes a 1/2 inch or even a few mm here and there would make it accommodate a few more things and this was referenced in my "Enthoo Primo II Suggestions" post, but eventually, when you keep making the case bigger and bigger to accommodate everything, then you are no longer unique .... you basically have a Case Labs case ad a new price to match.


It has a reference PCB ? That would be a significant change. The only factory card I know of that has historically had a reference PCB is the EVGA SC series. The MSI and Gigabyte Windforce cards have consistently led the pack in the 7xx series with the highest factory OCs and they have been able to do that by using a multi phase VRM and custom PCB.

If MSI has gone to a reference PCB and VRM, I am a bit puzzled how they can get a card on the market with those kind of clocks matching the Windforce and again embarassing Asus with their measly 954 MHz. I notice that the MSI review says "MSI is using the same OnSemi NCP4206 voltage controller as on the reference design. It supports software voltage control and monitoring via I2C." implying only that it using the same voltage controller as the reference design..... which is still disappointing unless nVidia had decided to ante up on their own for the Ti and put a beefier one in there that renders the upgrades unnecessary.

As to the article and hi VRM temps, that's not uncommon (as indicated by your Asus reference)..... but that will be a non issue with water cooling, my VRMs never break 50C. I do recall.....don't know what review it was but they noted that the VRM was missing a thermal pad which would account for unusually high temps. Perhaps the Asus Poseidon is your answer.... provided great air cooling and water cooling btho I have to say I am not aware of what ya do with the fan shroud once ya move to water and how long the PCB is.

Again, back in the day when I did the "Enthoo II" recommendations post, Phanteks did advise that they were already working on "Reservoir Bracket II", but given the delays on the new cases, accessories and such, I'm not quite sure where it sits on the delivery schedule.

I guess you're right, one has always to make some compromises. Damn, Phanteks did a great job with its first case and I really like the EP. If I have to do some modding to the res bracket to fit my gear, then be it. The case has tremendous versatility out of the box, so I guess I cannot complain.

Yes, MSI 780 Ti TF Gaming has a reference PCB, as you can see in the comments section of the TPU's review (post #23):

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/msi-geforce-gtx-780-ti-gaming-3072-mb.196335/

And the Gigabyte WF 3X OC has one too, as far as I know, only the GHz edition comes with a custom PCB, featuring a 10+2 phase VRM. Asus, I don't know why, played small on this one... 954MHz? C'mon... Even EVGA followed this trend... Dual Classified clocked @1020MHz only? Same as MSI Gaming and Gigabyte WF 3x OC featuring reference PCBs?? I guess this has something to do with a policy by nVIDIA. See here the explanation:

http://www.hardwareluxx.com/index.php/reviews/hardware/vgacards/29152%20%20.html?start=19

The PCB of the Poseidon is 11.3'' long, same as 780 (Ti) DCII. I had that already in my shortlist, but I discarded it because the WB does not cover the VRMs or the memory, as far as I know. Besides that, the memories should be Elpida, right?

I ended up ordering the Classified, but the first 14 days will be sort of a trial period. If I see that the card cores don't OC as much as they should, being it a Classified card, at a high price tag (appart from the silicon lottery), and don't keep up with the beefed up circuitry and unlocked voltages, I might just return the card and get a cheaper one like the Asus DCII OC.
Edited by Strider49 - 4/16/14 at 7:03pm
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Newegg emailed that the white case is back in stock. Just placed my order biggrin.gif
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Newegg emailed that the white case is back in stock. Just placed my order biggrin.gif

THANKS for the heads up!!!!!!!!!!! Went to Newegg fully expecting the Primo to be sold out, but it wasn't!! I bought one, too.smile.gif

Man, white really sets off the design!! I have the black one and I've come to really appreciate the design and creative thinking that went into the case. But white seems to accentuate the original thoughts to create a masterpiece. I can't wait until it gets here.
post #3614 of 18862
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Originally Posted by jrcbandit View Post

I like the idea of an UT60 on the bottom which would allow the use of two of the fans that come with the Enthoo Primo, thanks for the suggestion. I would be pairing it with my existing XSPC EX360 radiator with Gentle Typhoon AP-15 fans in push/pull. Would no longer be symmetrical with 120mm GT fans at the top of the case and Phantek 140mm fans on the bottom of the case, but I'd rather start putting some of that money towards a 2nd graphics card for now.

I considered a Monsta but it gave a barely measurable increase in performance and it would block the cable opening grommet on the PSU cover..... in the end I didn't use it, ....so far.... but it's likely one I add the 2nd set of push fans.



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Originally Posted by kangk81 View Post

Hmm.. judging by the numbers in the test. It seems my GPU loop is barely adequate for twin 770s. I'm getting delta T of 15-20 degC on top of ambient on my cooled coolant temp.

What's in it ?

To go from 20C to 10C double what ya have
To go from 15C to 10C, add 50% of what have have
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 4/17/14 at 11:38am
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So, no chance of fitting the 50mm res on the back panel, unless I raise it to a point where it'd fit above the card, I guess, using the top few holes to mount the "bracket". This is because I plan on installing the Classified in the lowest PCIe x16 slot of the Hero and putting the sound card in the uppermost x1 slot, so that it won't block the airflow to the graphics card. I don't know if I'm thinking right, I'm just doing some visualisation.

Wasn't able to check the MoBo manual as site is down but does the lower slot do x16 ? Not sure what the concern is about air flow to the HFX card .....water cooled no ? And you can mount fans on the side of the HD cages pointing to ya cards.
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On the other hand, if I choose to put the res to the right of the MoBo, and it'd certainly look a lot better, there's plenty of space to do so. The problem is the cutting, it's only 0.1 or 0.2 more inches, but I don't have the skills or the tools to do that... I guess I'll just follow your advice and take the bracket to a metal shop or a friend. I wonder if Phanteks will sell the bracket and the plastic cover later as an add-on... If so, I'd be much more prone to make the cutting and drilling. If I or a friend screwed the first one up, I'd at least have a spare one.

Soon after release they were reportedly working on Res Bracket II .... haven't heard anything on the topic since. There is the twin res option in my last post. That was my fall back plan as I didn't wan't to do any "subtractive" mods to the case .... don't mind adding, but cutting is something O prefer to avoid. I can post CAD or PDF drawings of the necessary brackets which I had already designed.

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Btw, just ordered the Classy, it should be here only next week, I guess (Easter Holiday).

I'm hoping you mean the EVGA Classsified w/ EK Water Block and not the EVGA / Swiftech effort sold by EVGA as the Hydrocopper. The VRM temps on the Classy with EK wate block are, if I recall correctly +33C ..... on the Hydrocopper, it's a whopping +62C. You can see the data in the extremerigs video where the dude from So. Africa tets a slew of 780 / Titan waterblocks..... The Titan, 780 and 780 Ti all use the same WB.
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Yes, MSI 780 Ti TF Gaming has a reference PCB, as you can see in the comments section of the TPU's review (post #23):

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/msi-geforce-gtx-780-ti-gaming-3072-mb.196335/

I see what the poster is claiming but the two pictures are have numerous discrepancies.... though the positioning of major components is teh same, my assumption at te request of water block vendors smile.gif , definitely different PCBs



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And the Gigabyte WF 3X OC has one too, as far as I know, only the GHz edition comes with a custom PCB, featuring a 10+2 phase VRM. Asus, I don't know why, played small on this one... 954MHz? C'mon... Even EVGA followed this trend... Dual Classified clocked @1020MHz only? Same as MSI Gaming and Gigabyte WF 3x OC featuring reference PCBs??

Very little data on the PCBs for the 780 Ti series....seems like reviewers are being pressured not to address this fact. AFAIK, from the 5xx series on up, all factory OC'd cards from Asus (DCII), Gigabyte (Windforce) and MSI (Gaming Series) have had custom PCBs and beefed up VRMs.....have seen almost nil info in this regard on the 780 Ti.....I get a bit annoyed the claim that this is only valuable if you are unlocking voltages .... as if the greater number of phases and lowered heat generated by the beefier VRM has no value.
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The PCB of the Poseidon is 11.3'' long, same as 780 (Ti) DCII. I had that already in my shortlist, but I discarded it because the WB does not cover the VRMs or the memory, as far as I know. Besides that, the memories should be Elpida, right?

I would say no.

The Asus 780 DCII is listed on newegg as 11.3" long, but we know with the cooler removed, it's only 10.5" long. You can see in the newegg pics that the cooler clearly overhangs (look at pic of underside) the PCB here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121779

The Asus 780 Ti DCII is also listed on newegg as 11.3" long, we have no confirmation of the length with the cooler removed but again you can see in the newegg pics that the cooler clearly overhangs the PCB here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121838

The Asus 780 Poseidon is also listed on newegg as 11.3" long, we have no confirmation of the length with the cooler removed but again you can see in the newegg pics that the cooler clearly overhangs the PCB here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121869

Now we also know from EK that the Titan, 780 and 780 Ti all use the same water block which is a bit indicative that they are all the same PCB, perhaps with different components thereon but in the same layout.

Guru3D also reports .....

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_gtx_780_poseidon_platinum_review,2.html
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The card is give or take 10.5 inches in length which is like 27 cm for those that like and reside in the Metric system.

It repeats that later in the same page with a pic and gain 2 pages later. They also state that it is a reference PCB.

Tho when first announced it was something I saw as a a very worthwhile product..... and while I agree it is .... an excellent choice for those comfy with AIOs or not quite budget to go to WC from the getgo, it's not something I see as displacing the standard card / WB arrangement..... Tho given the poor performance of the Hydrocopper, I see room in the market for both a Poseidon (2nd tier card) and an Asus / real EK WB combo



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THANKS for the heads up!!!!!!!!!!! Went to Newegg fully expecting the Primo to be sold out, but it wasn't!! I bought one, too.smile.gif

Man, white really sets off the design!! I have the black one and I've come to really appreciate the design and creative thinking that went into the case. But white seems to accentuate the original thoughts to create a masterpiece. I can't wait until it gets here.

When I read the above post, i went and looked and nada .... as of now it's back up tho.
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So with 780 Classy bay res is the only option if you don't want to cut the res bracket? Massive disappointment. I thought Enthoo Primo was supposed to be enthusiast case but I guess they forgot about custom pcb's altogether rolleyes.gif GJ Phanteks. Really great design work there.
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So with 780 Classy bay res is the only option if you don't want to cut the res bracket? Massive disappointment. I thought Enthoo Primo was supposed to be enthusiast case but I guess they forgot about custom pcb's altogether rolleyes.gif GJ Phanteks. Really great design work there.

Well, you can always remove the bracket altogether and place the reservoir on the back panel where the mb also goes...
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I'm hoping you mean the EVGA Classsified w/ EK Water Block and not the EVGA / Swiftech effort sold by EVGA as the Hydrocopper. The VRM temps on the Classy with EK wate block are, if I recall correctly +33C ..... on the Hydrocopper, it's a whopping +62C. You can see the data in the extremerigs video where the dude from So. Africa tets a slew of 780 / Titan waterblocks..... The Titan, 780 and 780 Ti all use the same WB.

HEre's the link.

http://www.xtremerigs.net/2013/09/08/swiftech-komodo/

Now I know how inadequate the swiftech blocks are and starting to regret getting the GTX770 hydrocopper just to shave a hundred dollars off 2 water blocks... I should be damned
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I considered a Monsta but it gave a barely measurable increase in performance and it would block the cable opening grommet on the PSU cover..... in the end I didn't use it, ....so far.... but it's likely one I add the 2nd set of push fans.
What's in it ?

To go from 20C to 10C double what ya have
To go from 15C to 10C, add 50% of what have have

Where do you get that at?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1309645/bundymania-user-review-triple-radiator-360-roundup-with-22-rads/

Monsta beats ALL other rads in performance at speeds of 1200rpms and above with single fans, and as I've found the difference is exaggerated at even lower fan speeds in push-pull (and no one should be running a monsta with a single set of fans in any case imho).

My 360 monsta totally kicks my 480 XT45s butt by more than a 1C difference in temps between the inlet and outlet at 1000rpms or above w/ AP15s in push-pull. I was running both rads together in the case where I first noticed the 360 monsta always had the wider difference in inlet / outlet temps measured by inline temp sensors, so I reversed flow through the rads and the result was the same. Then I ran each rad individually on the bench with the AP-15s. Regardless of what I did every single time result is always the same. My 360 monsta always beats my 480 XT45 at 1000 rpms or above, and at lower fan speeds they are essentially identical in temps, and that's saying something because the Monsta is handicapped by one less fan in surface area. Heck, at full blast (I get about 1700rpms max from my AP-15s) I get more than a 2C improvement with the Monsta over the XT45.

While I surprised by my results, I probably shouldn't have been. My results were really just reflections of what can be seen in Bundy's testing which shows a 1.6C difference between a 360 Monsta & 360 XT45 at 1200 rpms with single fans, and add to that Martin's testing which shows push-pull can net a ~30% increase in performance over a single set of fans, especially true on thicker rads and less-so with thinner rads.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 4/17/14 at 9:06pm
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I discovered a real flaw while fiddling with the case today.



The bottom piece which holds the built in fan filters has a piece in the center that obstructs fan screw fitment. All is fine if you're only fitting a 240mm or 280mm rad there because you can slide the fan to either side of the center piece. If you're using a 360mm rad, there are 2 fan screws right next to each other which doesn't matter whether you slide it one way or the other cos once of the screws will be blocked. I remembered leaving out 1 screw when I first built the case.


Out comes the good old file and elbow grease

And no more obstruction.

I though Phantek should have this covered since the bottom of the case was marketed to hold up to a 480mm rad
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