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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

I see. redface.gif
The false was from I don't know what. rolleyes.gif Was not related to the post .. must be the gremlins playing or something similar. Sorry. .redface.gif
What you are experiencing is no PWM signal on pin 4 and either variable voltage on pin 2 or pulsed 12v on pin 2. Either way it's not how PWM fans are designed to be controlled .. and not what the Phanteks PWM fan hub is designed for either. They are designed to use a pulse signal form pin 4. Here is a simple drawing of how to wire a PWM for 12v power from PSU and mohterboard PWM control on pin 4.

With the above adapter and a PWM fan plugged into it you can test motherboard headers to see if they are sending a PWM pulse signal on pin 4 or power a very high powered fan with PSU and not damage the motherboard.

I don't understand why I would have to go through the trouble to do all of that when my motherboard states that the CPU_FAN Header is a PWM, and all the other chassis fan headers are 5v...

Regardless, I found a fix to the problem. I plugged the fan that I wanted to be monitored(Fan Hub slot #1) directly into the motherboard. I then ran Fan Xpert II's Fan Tuning to eliminate the middle man which is the Fan Hub. I then plugged everything back to how it should be, Fan Hub's 4-pin into the motherboard, and the fan back into Fan Hub Slot #1. Problem is solved. I guess you can't run the fan tuning while you have the Fan Hub plugged in? IDK.. big big headache with this fan hub.
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The forum bugs all the time and puts a 'false' on top. It's annoying. It's probably related to the auto-draft feature.
I had never noticed it before. I have no knowledge of putting the "false" in there. Clicked "quote" and wrote my answer. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by PinkoTheCommi View Post


I don't understand why I would have to go through the trouble to do all of that when my motherboard states that the CPU_FAN Header is a PWM, and all the other chassis fan headers are 5v...

Regardless, I found a fix to the problem. I plugged the fan that I wanted to be monitored(Fan Hub slot #1) directly into the motherboard. I then ran Fan Xpert II's Fan Tuning to eliminate the middle man which is the Fan Hub. I then plugged everything back to how it should be, Fan Hub's 4-pin into the motherboard, and the fan back into Fan Hub Slot #1. Problem is solved. I guess you can't run the fan tuning while you have the Fan Hub plugged in? IDK.. big big headache with this fan hub.
Maybe someday you might like to find out what kind of control our motherboard really has instead of listening to the manufacturer who has lied about what the headers are .. and yes, Asus has stated in their advertising and manuals that headers were PWM when in fact they were only use 3 pins and are not true PWM fan headers.
The drawing was not just for you mate. It was directed at everyone so they know how to know if the "PWM" fan headers on their motherboards are in fact "PWM controlled" and not "PWM powered" or "Variable voltage" fan headers. wink.gif
Edited by doyll - 8/10/14 at 11:15am
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post #5224 of 19207
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Originally Posted by Screetch82 View Post

Does anyone know the difference between the four 140mm phanteks fan? The led version of the ones that come with the case aren't even listed on their website.

If I have the top rad push air out I need the inner case fan below the rad to be a good high static pressure one.. For the pull fan do I also get a static pressure one or rather ones with good airflow. I mean there is nothing the pull fan can build pressure against.. So my thinking is that a high CFM fan is best to suck as much air out of the rad as possible running at the same speed as the push fan....

Any ideas?
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.    .       .       BLACK           BLUE_LED            ORANGE_LED              RED_LED                  WHITE_LED
Model NO :      PH-F140SP_BK    PH-F140SP_BK_BLED       PH-F140SP_BK_OLED       PH-F140SP_BK_RLED       PH-F140SP_BK_WLED
UPC Code :      886523000426    886523000457            886523000594            886523000464            886523000471
On Phanteks website when you look at the PH-F140 specifications it shows the different color led model numbers
http://phanteks.com/PH-F140SP.html
post #5225 of 19207
right, yeah.

so it is better to use SP fans for push and high air flow fan for the pull side or same fans for push pull?
post #5226 of 19207
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Originally Posted by Screetch82 View Post

right, yeah.

so it is better to use SP fans for push and high air flow fan for the pull side or same fans for push pull?

Generally speaking, 'high air flow' fans will not perform as well on a rad in either push or pull as a 'static pressure' fan will. Are we talking about Corsair fans here?

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Originally Posted by Screetch82 View Post

Does anyone know the difference between the four 140mm phanteks fan? The led version of the ones that come with the case aren't even listed on their website.

If I have the top rad push air out I need the inner case fan below the rad to be a good high static pressure one.. For the pull fan do I also get a static pressure one or rather ones with good airflow. I mean there is nothing the pull fan can build pressure against.. So my thinking is that a high CFM fan is best to suck as much air out of the rad as possible running at the same speed as the push fan....

Any ideas?

This thinking is what is wrong. A 'static pressure' fan doesn't just do well against a restriction when used in push. They don't "build pressure" like you are thinking. Static pressure fans generally have fat / wide blades that don't so easily let air get pushed backward against their direction of flow when there is a restriction whether that's in push or pull. It doesn't matter whether that restriction is on the intake or the exhaust side of the fan it works the same either way. High air flow' fans generally have more open space between the blades so that they can spin faster and generate more air flow when there is little to no restriction. They're made to be case fans, not to be used on a rad.

Fans generally perform nearly identical on a rad whether they are in push or pull. You don't have to use the same fans top and bottom, but you will be best to use fans on both sides that are known to perform well on a rad.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 8/10/14 at 1:09pm
post #5227 of 19207
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Originally Posted by PinkoTheCommi View Post

I don't understand why I would have to go through the trouble to do all of that when my motherboard states that the CPU_FAN Header is a PWM, and all the other chassis fan headers are 5v...

Regardless, I found a fix to the problem. I plugged the fan that I wanted to be monitored(Fan Hub slot #1) directly into the motherboard. I then ran Fan Xpert II's Fan Tuning to eliminate the middle man which is the Fan Hub. I then plugged everything back to how it should be, Fan Hub's 4-pin into the motherboard, and the fan back into Fan Hub Slot #1. Problem is solved. I guess you can't run the fan tuning while you have the Fan Hub plugged in? IDK.. big big headache with this fan hub.

Did you try to use speedfan to control the fan hub?
Or maybe you have defected fan hub.
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Originally Posted by Voodoo411 View Post

Did you try to use speedfan to control the fan hub?
Or maybe you have defected fan hub.

I only tried Fan Xpert II.

It is strange because, on my CM 212 EVO and my CM Seidon 240M, when I had fans plugged directly into the CPU_FAN header, I had full range of control, 0-100%. I used a fan splitter on both of these coolers.
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post #5229 of 19207
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Originally Posted by PinkoTheCommi View Post

I only tried Fan Xpert II.

It is strange because, on my CM 212 EVO and my CM Seidon 240M, when I had fans plugged directly into the CPU_FAN header, I had full range of control, 0-100%. I used a fan splitter on both of these coolers.
With Asus fanxpert, I only can get down to 20% when connect directly. With the fan hub it's 40%. So I switched to use speedfan.
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post #5230 of 19207
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Originally Posted by PinkoTheCommi View Post

I only tried Fan Xpert II.

It is strange because, on my CM 212 EVO and my CM Seidon 240M, when I had fans plugged directly into the CPU_FAN header, I had full range of control, 0-100%. I used a fan splitter on both of these coolers.

Not so strange. Then you were using direct control of your fans and with the Phanteks hub you are now using the PWM signal in from the mobo to control a P channel mosfet that modulates the +12V supply (cuts the power on/off really fast) to the 3-pin fan ports proportionally to the width of the PWM signal pulse to simulate the voltage going up/down. It's a bit of a hack how they did it (it's been tried before apparently), and it's not going to work as well as direct control would nor will it work so well with all fans. Some voltage-controlled fans don't like to be controlled by modulating the current (like a cheap fan controller typically does) and some fan manufacturers recommend against it. For example Nidec says that pwm modulation of 12v current to control fan speed can damage &/or shorten the life of a fan.

Anywho, that's partly why I didn't even try using the Phanteks hub myself, also because I have way too many fans for it I needed to control, and instead am using a good fan controller that automatically controls my fan speeds based on my loop temps.
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