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Well, I went ahead and ordered the Photon 270 D5 pump combo, and an assortment of fittings. I'm not going to settle for the smaller 170, at least not until I've tried everything I can think of to fit that 270 in there, even though I must admit it's looking like I'm really going to need at least 5mm more to fit it without having to go through some headaches to fill it, but I'm thinking I'd rather have the headaches than that smaller res.

Worse comes to worse, if for whatever reason I just can't make it work, I'll keep it and hold onto it to use in my Cosmo II whenever I get around to putting it underwater, and get a different res for the Enthoo Primo. In that case perhaps I will just go ahead and get the Photon 270 w/o the pump and make use of the pump bracket in the back afterall. I dunno. I don't want to even think any more about it. I just have to make that 270 pump combo work one way or another, lol
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Well, since you asked, it's going to be kind of hard to explain what I'm thinking, but I'll try.

I currently have two ways I'm planning on setting it up for filling/ draining. How I would most like to be able to set it up will be a very tight squeeze and I won't be able to tell until after the case & res gets here, and it's going to come down to a few mm's whether it will fit or not, and my backup plan I ought to be able to make fit regardless.......

This will be handy fo the fill

Koolance Threaded Rubber Funnel w/ Bleed Tube - G1/4" Thread (LIQ-FNL)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10256/koo-206/Koolance_Threaded_Rubber_Funnel_-_G14_Thread_LIQ-FNL.html

I agree....snaking that tube is gonna be real hard .... option A or B. I see how the fill is going to work, but if the snaking doesn't work wondering though how the air gets out .... perhaps using a similar arrangement at the other top rad with another bulkhead fitting and a bleed tube (detachable G1/4 compression fitting with 12" flexible tube w/ bleeder valve) would at least allow the air not to have to bubble thru the radiator.

But can that fitting fit ? You'll need a male x male to connect to the rad, then the 15mm Female x female extender .... frozen doesn't list lengths but Im sure you've checked, does that end up with the plug above or below the case top ? I was hoping to use one of these w/ same plug:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10364/ex-tub-608/Bitspower_G14_Female_Female_Pass-Through_Fitting_-_Fillport_-_Matte_Black_BP-MBWP-C04.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/main/ex-tub-608.jpg

For the drain port, I'm thinking of either a reservoir drain or a similar to your idea.... although I'll proally use a UT60 as the Monsta seems to high to get the tubing thru the higher of the two openings that go thru the PSU shroud. It also allows me to use the bottom opening in the Rad for a drain tho I will probably use a quik disconnect instead of a plug.

Another option for ya if ya run into problems might be for ya to:

1) have a 90 degree fitting out of the top rad come out towards the left side of the case ending in a male quik disconnect just inside the door

2) have a 90 degree fitting out of the bot rad come out towards the left side of the case ending in a male quik disconnect just inside the door

On the female disconnect, ya have a 90 degree fitting .....

1) When ya filling, ya screw in ya funnel

2) When ya draining, ya screw in a male compression fitting with a cupla feet of flex tube and drain to a pail on the floor
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Hmmm, I guess I overloaded it with my post above because it won't let me edit that post at all.

I think editing is disabled at the moment cause I can't edit my rather short reply. Here's the image of that bulkhead fitting.

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Gonna make it a little tougher to fit that photon 270 res/D5 pump combo in there afterall. thinking.gif

I'm sure ya thought of putting the pump in the back in the pump pad and just running a tube back to it ? Would solve a lotta ya fit issues.
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Originally Posted by Unicr0nhunter View Post

Well, I went ahead and ordered the Photon 270 D5 pump combo, and an assortment of fittings. I'm not going to settle for the smaller 170, at least not until I've tried everything I can think of to fit that 270 in there, even though I must admit it's looking like I'm really going to need at least 5mm more to fit it without having to go through some headaches to fill it, but I'm thinking I'd rather have the headaches than that smaller res.

Worse comes to worse, if for whatever reason I just can't make it work, I'll keep it and hold onto it to use in my Cosmo II whenever I get around to putting it underwater, and get a different res for the Enthoo Primo. In that case perhaps I will just go ahead and get the Photon 270 w/o the pump and make use of the pump bracket in the back afterall. I dunno. I don't want to even think any more about it. I just have to make that 270 pump combo work one way or another, lol

Thats the spirit, once you have the case, don't lock yourself to that one position, feel free to try out new ideas and ways.
post #546 of 19214
Interesting data ..... while we are all sitting here wondering about rad thickness, I'm noticing adding thickness really doesn't have a lot of impact.

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/04/12/alphacool-nexxxos-ut60-360-radiator/4/
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?287200-Flower-Labs-News-Comparison-of-Radiator-Cooling-Efficiency
http://martinsliquidlab.petrastech.com/Radiator-Fan-Orientation-And-Shroud-Testing-Review.html

I took the 45mm and 60mm 360 rads from Martins.... added the % difference between UT60 and Monsta from extreme systems site. All testing was done with one set of fans in push......using martins old site, I have added the number in parenthesis (+21%) to account for push / pull....no I doubt that figure is constant across all rpm's but it's all I got smile.gif

@ 1,000 rpm :
Aphacool XT45 - 149 watts @ 10C (180)
Aphacool UT60 - 151 watts @ 10C (183)
Aphacool Monsta - 154 watts @ 10C (186)

@ 1,250 rpm : Phanteks fan speed *
Aphacool XT45 - 183 watts @ 10C (222)
Aphacool UT60 - 188 watts @ 10C (227)
Aphacool Monsta - 197 watts @ 10C (230)

@ 1,400 rpm :
Aphacool XT45 - 204 watts @ 10C (247)
Aphacool UT60 - 210 watts @ 10C (254)
Aphacool Monsta - 223 watts @ 10C (270)

@ 1,800 rpm :
Aphacool XT45 - 257 watts @ 10C (311)
Aphacool UT60 - 269 watts @ 10C (325)
Aphacool Monsta - 281 watts @ 10C (340)

@ 2,200 rpm :
Aphacool XT45 - 307 watts @ 10C (371)
Aphacool UT60 - 326 watts @ 10C (394)
Aphacool Monsta - 65 watts @ 10C (461)

* It is noted that the Phanteks fans are rated at 82.1 CFM @ 1.33mm H2O whereas if I'm guessing I picked the right Titan Kukri fan for what Martin used, these are rated at 66.62CFM @ 0.14 InchH₂O

If anyone finds it useful, the attached speadsheet gives estimated data for select Alphacool rads that might be considered for the Enthoo case. lotta assumptions in making the estimate as were described above.

Aquacool Estimator.XLS 28k .XLS file

Edited: Corrected error at 2200 rpm on Monsta
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 10/13/13 at 8:31pm
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post #547 of 19214
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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

Interesting data ..... while we are all sitting here wondering about rad thickness, I'm noticing adding thickness really doesn't have a lot of impact.

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/04/12/alphacool-nexxxos-ut60-360-radiator/4/
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?287200-Flower-Labs-News-Comparison-of-Radiator-Cooling-Efficiency
http://martinsliquidlab.petrastech.com/Radiator-Fan-Orientation-And-Shroud-Testing-Review.html

I took the 45mm and 60mm 360 rads from Martins.... added the % difference between UT60 and Monsta from extreme systems site. All testing was done with one set of fans in push......using martins old site, I have added the number in parenthesis (+21%) to account for push / pull....no I doubt that figure is constant across all rpm's but it's all I got smile.gif

@ 1,000 rpm :
Aphacool XT45 - 149 watts @ 10C (180)
Aphacool UT60 - 151 watts @ 10C (183)
Aphacool Monsta - 154 watts @ 10C (186)

@ 1,250 rpm : Phanteks fan speed *
Aphacool XT45 - 183 watts @ 10C (222)
Aphacool UT60 - 188 watts @ 10C (227)
Aphacool Monsta - 197 watts @ 10C (230)

@ 1,400 rpm :
Aphacool XT45 - 204 watts @ 10C (247)
Aphacool UT60 - 210 watts @ 10C (254)
Aphacool Monsta - 223 watts @ 10C (270)

@ 1,800 rpm :
Aphacool XT45 - 257 watts @ 10C (311)
Aphacool UT60 - 269 watts @ 10C (325)
Aphacool Monsta - 281 watts @ 10C (340)

@ 2,200 rpm :
Aphacool XT45 - 307 watts @ 10C (371)
Aphacool UT60 - 326 watts @ 10C (394)
Aphacool Monsta - 381 watts @ 10C (461)

* It is noted that the Phanteks fans are rated at 82.1 CFM @ 1.33mm H2O whereas if I'm guessing I picked the right Titan Kukri fan for what Martin used, these are rated at 66.62CFM @ 0.14 InchH₂O

If anyone finds it useful, the attached speadsheet gives estimated data for select Alphacool rads that might be considered for the Enthoo case. lotta assumptions in making the estimate as were described above.

Aquacool Estimator.XLS 26k .XLS file

Great sheet mate, and the key factor that jumps out is FANS. fans make a lot of difference when it comes to performance on a radiator. And yes adding thickness does not add much to the cooling, but adding length does make a difference.

With that said, and a case like Enthoo, the bottom screams to have a monsta rad installed. Anything else will look out of place.
post #548 of 19214
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Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

I'm sure ya thought of putting the pump in the back in the pump pad and just running a tube back to it ? Would solve a lotta ya fit issues.

Yeah, definitely have thought of that, but I'll be using rigid acrylic tubing so doing the bends going to the pump and back seems like it would be a challenge, not sure it's one that I'd be able to pull off or not, plus it wouldn't be as clean of a loop as I had been mapping out with the res/pump combo. Rigid tubing also rules out any sort of quick disconnects.

I still have hope that I might be able to get the res in there with a fitting mounted into the top fill port that I can snake a hose from it to the top of the case. That would make filling easy peasy. I have ordered a smorgasbord of fittings I'm going to try to accomplish that with.

If that fails, and it seems likely to if only by just a few mm's, then I'll see if yanking a fan off of the top rad isn't doable every time I need to fill it, but I won't even be able to tell if that's going to be an option until I get the case. I might even see if there isn't some way to make quicker/easier mounting/removing that fan possible (velcro all the lower fans on the top rad in place? lol)

In any case. my plan to use that photon 270 D5 combo is not going down without a fight. boxing3.gif
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Originally Posted by jassilamba View Post

Great sheet mate, and the key factor that jumps out is FANS. fans make a lot of difference when it comes to performance on a radiator. And yes adding thickness does not add much to the cooling, but adding length does make a difference.

With that said, and a case like Enthoo, the bottom screams to have a monsta rad installed. Anything else will look out of place.

^ +1 this wheee.gif
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Originally Posted by jassilamba View Post

With that said, and a case like Enthoo, the bottom screams to have a monsta rad installed. Anything else will look out of place.
If I put a box the same size as monsta with fans on top will the screaming stop? whistle.gif
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