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Originally Posted by Hereisphilly View Post

Another generic watercooling query from me I'm afraid, does anyone know if my Alphacool d5 vario with Alphacool pump top is man enough for my loop?

It will contain:
Ek supremacy
2x Alphacool 680 water blocks in series
420 Xt45 rad
280 monsta rad
240 xt45 rad
Quite a few right angle fittings and 1/2" Id tubing

Seems that may be a bit much, just watch temps. 2 Pumps for that would be ideal.

Edit: Just keep in mind, consider it a closed loop - closed loops have zero static head, therefore the only head the pump needs to overcome is friction. The GPU blocks are the most restrictive, I dont think radiators are very restrictive, then the angle fittings.
post #722 of 18685
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Originally Posted by bond32 View Post

Seems that may be a bit much, just watch temps. 2 Pumps for that would be ideal.

Edit: Just keep in mind, consider it a closed loop - closed loops have zero static head, therefore the only head the pump needs to overcome is friction. The GPU blocks are the most restrictive, I dont think radiators are very restrictive, then the angle fittings.

Thanks, I just cant find any concrete evidence To work it out
What temps would you consider bad enough to warrant running dual pumps?
The supremacy is meant to have quite low flow restriction, I can't find any data on the GPU blocks, and they were unfortunately the only ones I could get within budget and had the option for backplates
post #723 of 18685
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Originally Posted by Hereisphilly View Post

Thanks, I just cant find any concrete evidence To work it out
What temps would you consider bad enough to warrant running dual pumps?
The supremacy is meant to have quite low flow restriction, I can't find any data on the GPU blocks, and they were unfortunately the only ones I could get within budget and had the option for backplates

Generally all GPU blocks are the most restrictive. If it were me, I would set everything up and run some things at stock to see what temps you get. I have no idea what the 680 temps should be, but if I had to guess I would say around 45 degrees C on the core would be normal.

At one time, I had my loop as 3x 7950 heatkiller blocks, 1x 360 rad, 1x 240 rad, 1x 120 rad, and 1 xspc raystorm cpu block. All that ran fine off 1 D5, but I ran it at full speed.
post #724 of 18685
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Originally Posted by Hereisphilly View Post

Thanks, I just cant find any concrete evidence To work it out
What temps would you consider bad enough to warrant running dual pumps?
The supremacy is meant to have quite low flow restriction, I can't find any data on the GPU blocks, and they were unfortunately the only ones I could get within budget and had the option for backplates

If you want I can mail you martins pump and rad optimizer. That will help you determine if the pump will work or not. (PM me you email address)
post #725 of 18685
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Originally Posted by jassilamba View Post


If you want I can mail you martins pump and rad optimizer. That will help you determine if the pump will work or not. (PM me you email address)

Check ya mail smile.gif

I used his Rad tool on the archive site .... basically.....if ya use info from the new site and calculate, and you get about 10C .... you'll get the 5C using the old tool. Martin explained the difference was due to a change in testing parameters. Basically the new method eliminates the radiation from sides, tubing and the rest of the loop.
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Just make sure that you have the ports on the rear rad facing down, and not up. But wait till you get the case and the top rad installed before getting something else.

Fill / Bleed Ports - Jesse, since you have been in there .... how hard would it be to get the fill and air bleed ports in as I showed in the image on Post #700 ?

Radiator Top Port - Male x Female Extender - Plug Fitting

Seems it would be be easier with ports towards the front but that would prolly require a reservoir mounted off back of 5.25 cages
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post #726 of 18685
If you are looking into dual pumps, I really like my mcp35x2... It's a beast, have yet to have to run it on anything but it's lowest setting. You may be surprised how little turning up pump speed effects temp.
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post #727 of 18685
I'm planning on the 35x2 .... did you use the stand ?

My plan is to mount it on the pump skid in the Enthoo, take out the lower HD cage and fit it in there....prolly have to make my own mounting plate though ... or pair of plates with some fopam in between for vibration isolation

Cupla questions if so:

- How high is it ?

- I was gonna use a thermal pad to conduct the heat to the heat sink and dampen noise a bit .... suggestions ?

- Anything I didn't think of ?

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Originally Posted by jassilamba View Post

Use the vise method for delidding, pretty safe compared to the blade method, I think its a great idea to run the chip naked, specially if its an Ivy or Haswell. Otherwise you will not get any major benefits from water cooling.

It occurred to me that that goop holding the IHS down should get softened up by some pre-heating with a hair dryer .... think there's anything to it ?

I'm a little hesitant to use the CLU stuff .... I remember when looking into it years back, removal method involved sandpaper . Thinking that if ya had to re-apply, this would be problematic.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 10/19/13 at 6:43pm
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post #728 of 18685
No, I do how ever have the heatsink+maelstrom sitting on my shelf ready to go into my 900D rebuild when Rive:BE finally drops.

Ohh, the stand comes with the heatsink! Just now broke the seal.... If you need any specifics on it, let me know!

I have the little fan too. going to be a tight squeeze in the front of my 900D... p/p UT60 + 360 rad in front + maelstrom w/ heatsink... I don't think that's all going to fit... lol!

As to the whole delidding thing.... The biggest improvement is made when properly removing the silicone glue that's used to hold the two together, by most accounts this is what causes the biggest issue. Running the dye naked is by far the best way to do it for temp reduction. It can also be dangerous and requires modification of the socket because you are using the waterblock to hold chip in place. I saw around ~10-15 degree drop in temp, and I still have the IHS on. (3570k)


as to clu... I HAVE NEVER HAD TO USE SANDPAPER... Invest in some HARDCORE cleaner like Indigo Extreme CLEANER, or the similar product from Arctic silver. Indigo extreme clean is some crazy good stuff, it dissolves the "Engineered Thermal Interface" like butter.

Make sure you get CoolLabs Liquid ULTRA, NOT LIQUID PRO. Ultra is the newer of the two products, and is much easier to apply & remove. By most accounts CLU is the best damned thermal solution for delidding. Lot's of tests have been done with other solutions.
Edited by skupples - 10/19/13 at 7:05pm
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post #729 of 18685
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Generally all GPU blocks are the most restrictive. If it were me, I would set everything up and run some things at stock to see what temps you get. I have no idea what the 680 temps should be, but if I had to guess I would say around 45 degrees C on the core would be normal.

At one time, I had my loop as 3x 7950 heatkiller blocks, 1x 360 rad, 1x 240 rad, 1x 120 rad, and 1 xspc raystorm cpu block. All that ran fine off 1 D5, but I ran it at full speed.
Cool, 45 degrees is my target then, thanks!
I was linking if I did need to move to two pumps, then I would move away from the tube res and separate d5, and go with that Alphacool bay res that accepts two d5s at the back with the cool fillport on the front that pulls out
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If you want I can mail you martins pump and rad optimizer. That will help you determine if the pump will work or not.
(PM me you email address)

Many thanks! Pm'd you
post #730 of 18685
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Originally Posted by skupples View Post

Ohh, the stand comes with the heatsink! Just now broke the seal.... If you need any specifics on it, let me know! ...... I have the little fan too. going to be a tight squeeze in the front of my 900D.

The stand **is** the heatsink smile.gif Yes, Id love to know how high it is with the pump on the stand.



I was thinking of using a thermal pad between the Heatsink and Pump. And then making a "plate sandwich" for vibration isolation. Kinda like the "Shoggy Sandwich"



Since Pump" looks" bigger than skid gonna have to use larger plate on top there, drill holes and affix feet to top plate

Then again, I imagine Phanteks put some thoiught into isolation with the skid, so maybe not necessary.

The "pad" in Enthoo is 78.5mm square
The foot print of the stand / heatsink is 126mm x 80mm

So will probably make a 136mm x 90mm plate w/ two sets of drilled holes, ine to match the skid and one to match the legs.
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As to the whole delidding thing.... The biggest improvement is made when properly removing the silicone glue that's used to hold the two together, by most accounts this is what causes the biggest issue. Running the dye naked is by far the best way to do it for temp reduction. It can also be dangerous and requires modification of the socket because you are using the waterblock to hold chip in place. I saw around ~10-15 degree drop in temp, and I still have the IHS on. (3570k).....as to clu... I HAVE NEVER HAD TO USE SANDPAPER... Invest in some HARDCORE cleaner like Indigo Extreme CLEANER, or the similar product from Arctic silver. Indigo extreme clean is some crazy good stuff, it dissolves the "Engineered Thermal Interface" like butter.

In the reviews I have seen, Pro always seems to get better temps but Ultra is listed as easier to spread and easier to get off

I have never used but was put off by comments such as these from Frozen....
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10740/thr-77/Coollaboratory_Liquid_Ultra_100_Metal_Thermal_Interface_Material.html?tl=g8c127s451
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At first on my laptop it worked really well, but, Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra isn''t all that good after a year of hard use of nearly 24/7 at about 85 Celsius. In fact, it completely hardens / dries. On my X9100 after 9 months I started seeing high temps and after 1 year auto shut downs while crunching. Turns out it was shutting off because it hit the 105 C thermal protection. Opened it up; thermal compound was as hard as a rock. has to pocket knife blade and sand it down. So for longevity it sucks.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/reviews/3784/thr-26/p1/Coollaboratory_Liquid_PRO_Thermal_Interface_Material-Page1.html?tl=g8c127s451
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Without a doubt this [Pro] is the best TIM I''ve ever used, but beware, if you''re one like me who rebuilds their system every few months, this is not for you. Once its hardened on your CPU and cooler, you will need to lap both surfaces to get them clean and smooth again. This stuff is great, but it just isn''t for me.

Based upon ya experience, I think I will give the Ultra try. I hope it's easy to get off tho..... I plan on doing this build in 4 phases between now and XMas.

1. Stock Parts (Intel Stick Air Cooler)
2. 3rd party Air Cooler
3. Water Cooled Build
4. Delidded Water Cooled Build

I just wanna see what I get performance wise outta each step....and that's why I wanna make sure to use something ez to remove

BTW, two questions for ya......

1. What EK Supremacy Water Block ya gonna use with the Nekid Ivy ? Looking at the video review by singularity it would seem to me that teh bloakc would perform better rotated 90 degrees so that the fins inside ran parallel with the long length of the naked CPU

2. What TIM ya use on GPU Blocks .....

I had my heart set on the Asus GTX 770 Poseidons .... but not a word since Comdex back in June. So now with 780 GTi about to drop I'm wondering if that will be its debut..... never did a WB on a GPU and haven't as yet done mush research on which manufacturer's have proven most reliable, WB manufacturer's backplate or card manufacturers ..... tubing or bridge.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 10/19/13 at 9:42pm
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