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I am assuming you're seeing something or experienced something that I haven't come across and am trying to understand.

I see less cables, less twisting and bending (my SSD data cables have some nasty twists in the Enthoo) , less routing and easier replacements / upgrades..... What do you see as some of the downsides ? .... Wondering if I am about to have one of those "I never thought of that" moments. smile.gif

The DF-85 was nice in that respect..... IIRC it gave ya 2 docks and rest left were vacant ..... If ya don't wanna use, one screw removal and they're gone. Could very easily be made an option to satisfy both tastes... you could buy them separately for the DF-85.
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post #962 of 18657
Oh yeah I've had nothing but terrible experiences with hot swap / docking bays. I helped a friend do his build in a Level 10 that we pretty extensively modded, and it turned out the docking bays were so unreliable that sometimes it would recognize a drive and others it wouldn't. Pull the drive out and put it back in and windows would see it again, then after a while it wouldn't or it would happen to a different drive. Since I'd helped talk him into buying that case in the first place and then helped him void the warranty on it, he pestered me about every problem he had with it to where I almost felt like I was in a bad marriage. And it's worth noting that Thermaltake and Phanteks are subsidiaries of the same company. --> oops, I was confusing Thermaltake with NZXT. Looks like Thermaltake isn't a subsidiary of Axpertec. my bad.

I've had similar experiences with hot swap bays from supermicro, icy dock, and rosewill. Some drives won't even fit properly, especially my 4TB WD drives which are pretty much all I buy these days.

It's just been one thing after another with several models from different manufacturers to the point that I have given up on that type of HDD bay altogether. Just look at reviews on them at sites like Newegg / Amazon and you will see I am not alone at all. They ALL get terrible reviews. I will not use them. I am soooooo glad the Enthoo Primo doesn't have them.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 10/28/13 at 8:37pm
post #963 of 18657
Quote:
Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post

I am assuming you're seeing something or experienced something that I haven't come across and am trying to understand.

I see less cables, less twisting and bending (my SSD data cables have some nasty twists in the Enthoo) , less routing and easier replacements / upgrades..... What do you see as some of the downsides ? .... Wondering if I am about to have one of those "I never thought of that" moments. smile.gif

The DF-85 was nice in that respect..... IIRC it gave ya 2 docks and rest left were vacant ..... If ya don't wanna use, one screw removal and they're gone. Could very easily be made an option to satisfy both tastes... you could buy them separately for the DF-85.

How many SSDs are you running, if its just 1, do what I did. I rotated my SSD bracket (just remove, and slide in with different orientation). That way my SATA power connectors are in a line and so are the SATA data cables.

But here is a uber crappy paint illustration of what I mean

SSD.png
post #964 of 18657
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Originally Posted by Unicr0nhunter View Post

Oh yeah I've had nothing but terrible experiences with hot swap / docking bays. I helped a friend do his build in a Level 10 that we pretty extensively modded, and it turned out the docking bays were so unreliable that sometimes it would recognize a drive and others it wouldn't. Pull the drive out and put it back in and windows would see it again, then after a while it wouldn't or it would happen to a different drive. Since I'd helped talk him into buying that case in the first place and then helped him void the warranty on it, he pestered me about every problem he had with it to where I almost felt like I was in a bad marriage. And it's worth noting that Thermaltake and Phanteks are subsidiaries of the same company. --> oops, I was confusing Thermaltake with NZXT. Looks like Thermaltake isn't a subsidiary of Axpertec. my bad.

I've had similar experiences with hot swap bays from supermicro, icy dock, and rosewill. Some drives won't even fit properly, especially my 4TB WD drives which are pretty much all I buy these days.

It's just been one thing after another with several models from different manufacturers to the point that I have given up on that type of HDD bay altogether. Just look at reviews on them at sites like Newegg / Amazon and you will see I am not alone at all. They ALL get terrible reviews. I will not use them. I am soooooo glad the Enthoo Primo doesn't have them.

NZXT is not a subsidiary of Axpertec. Axpertec is their European marketing and distribution rep, that is all.
post #965 of 18657
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Originally Posted by ciarlatano View Post

NZXT is not a subsidiary of Axpertec. Axpertec is their European marketing and distribution rep, that is all.

You may be correct. I assumed they are the parent company because the Axpertec website lists NZXT, Noctua, Xion, Phanteks, etc as their 'brands' and lists them under their 'products' links, and because the payment for my pre-ordered Enthoo Primo from the Phanteks.usa site was cashed by Axpertec.
post #966 of 18657
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Originally Posted by Unicr0nhunter View Post

You may be correct. I assumed they are the parent company because the Axpertec website lists NZXT, Noctua, Xion, Phanteks, etc as their 'brands' and lists them under their 'products' links, and because the payment for my pre-ordered Enthoo Primo from the Phanteks.usa site was cashed by Axpertec.

mmm... Not so sure Unicr0nhunter. It does not seems like Axpertec own in any way those brands cited. They most likely just represent them. Nocuta is a Austrian company with a partner in Taiwan. In fact the Axpertec text in the about us section point in this direction that they represent those brands:

http://www.axpertec.com/About.html


I might me wrong but it seems they mention those brands as suppliers...

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post #967 of 18657
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Originally Posted by Unicr0nhunter View Post

Oh yeah I've had nothing but terrible experiences with hot swap / docking bays. I helped a friend do his build in a Level 10 that we pretty extensively modded, and it turned out the docking bays were so unreliable that sometimes it would recognize a drive and others it wouldn't. Pull the drive out and put it back in and windows would see it again, then after a while it wouldn't or it would happen to a different drive. Since I'd helped talk him into buying that case in the first place and then helped him void the warranty on it, he pestered me about every problem he had with it to where I almost felt like I was in a bad marriage. And it's worth noting that Thermaltake and Phanteks are subsidiaries of the same company. --> oops, I was confusing Thermaltake with NZXT. Looks like Thermaltake isn't a subsidiary of Axpertec. my bad.

I've had similar experiences with hot swap bays from supermicro, icy dock, and rosewill. Some drives won't even fit properly, especially my 4TB WD drives which are pretty much all I buy these days.

It's just been one thing after another with several models from different manufacturers to the point that I have given up on that type of HDD bay altogether. Just look at reviews on them at sites like Newegg / Amazon and you will see I am not alone at all. They ALL get terrible reviews. I will not use them. I am soooooo glad the Enthoo Primo doesn't have them.

Interesting .... In Son No. 2's DF-85, I put them in, moved them once for better cooling and never touched them in two years. I looked at newegg and 92% gave the case 4 eggs or better. One guy asked for more of what he called the "modular enclosures". Can't read past the 1st comment page tho as case is discontinued. So searched on SATA backplane and SATA Hot Swap issues and came up pretty dry ..... did find several on the 800D. Would seem to be case of some guys did it right and some guys didn't.

Also we need to distinguish between backplanes which are simply pre-wired cable extensions and those that have some type of controller which could introduce compatibility issues later on.

http://forum.corsair.com/FORUMS/showthread.php?t=104455
http://www.overclock.net/t/1302666/800d-sata3-backplane-issues
http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=87184
Which addresses a poor redesign ..... old design worked, new one didn't .... one guy here fixed it by using old screws

One on the HAF-X on THG .... wiring issue ..... but that's kinda unique .... like the molex installed backwards on my Enthoo smile.gif

But this is basically merely an extension of what Phanteks did with the Fan PCB ..... basically pre-wired all the case fans to a central location (with the bonus of adding fan control).

For the SSD mounts it would be real handy too. Have it slide in, with data cable connector pointing towards MoBo and back of case and power cable pointing toward right side of case. Right now both those cable turns are precariously squeezed between the MoBo Panel and the connectors in order to get to back area of case. In either case, I'd move the mounts toward front of case to provide some breathing room.

I think I like your original suggestion and satisfy both camps..... provide one cage set up with it and one without. And do like Antec did...... one screw ya can take it out of ya don't like and if ya want another, ya can buy as an option

http://store.antec.com/P/hot-swap-module-for-df-85/0-761345-30757-4.aspx

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Originally Posted by jassilamba View Post

How many SSDs are you running, if its just 1, do what I did. I rotated my SSD bracket (just remove, and slide in with different orientation). That way my SATA power connectors are in a line and so are the SATA data cables.

But here is a uber crappy paint illustration of what I mean

SSD.png

I been thinking about that .... I do have two 256 GB SSDs in RAID 0 ..... choices considered:

1. One in each mounted horizontally to provide some air flow with wording vertical and lousy cable routing

2. Two SSDs in one mount vertical and get better cable routing but lose air flow and wording sideways ..... I know ya can't see it but engineers are generally anal qbout construction of any kind and we I can see it in our minds smile.gif.

This will keep me up at night !

And as for ya drawing skills.... if ya give up the zoo, please apply for one of our CAD Operator positions, it's better than some of my guys.
Edited by JackNaylorPE - 10/29/13 at 10:40am
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post #968 of 18657
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2. Two SSDs in one mount vertical and get better cable routing but lose air flow and wording sideways ..... I know ya can't see it but engineers are generally anal qbout construction of any kind and we I can see it in our minds smile.gif.

This will keep me up at night !
.
I suppose you line up all the screw head slots the same... and X's too.

\ \ \
_ _ _

l l l

/ / /

X X X

+ + +

rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif
Edited by doyll - 10/29/13 at 11:00am
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You mean there's people who don't ? smile.gif I'm going back to look at Jesse's build now.
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Oh! lmaosmiley.gif I never checked his build. doh.gif Just assumed he did it right. I won't be able to sleep until you report back what Jesse did! wheee.gif
Edited by doyll - 10/29/13 at 11:54am
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