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false
  • If fan speeds up when you plug in the Sata power than I'm pretty sure you do not have a PWM signal from motherboard fan header pin 4 going to fan hub.
  • Are you monitoring only 1 fan's rpm on fan hub or more than one?
  • Smart mode seems to be problematic. I don't think the fan hub changes fan rpm as fast as Fan Xpert needs the changes for "Smart Mode" to function properly.
  • Have you tried changing the curve temp/speed low or high setting a little to see if that will stop the fan changing speed? That is what I had to do on my system. Seems the temp was increasing slightly causing fan to speed up slightly causing temp to drop slightly, causing fan to slow down, causing heat to rise, causing fan to speed up, etc. biggrin.gif

I have the PWM cable from the fan hub plugged into my CPU_FAN header. The only true PWM header on my motherboard, just as the manual specifies. When I plug the sata power in, all fans ramp up speed to near 100. Right now, I just have the 4pin fan hub cable plugged into the motherboard and I get range from 30-100%.

It only monitors the speed of the fan in position #1 on the fan hub.

I am not using smart mode, I use RPM mode. I said that I tried smart mode to see if that fixed the problem, it does not. I use RPM mode and the fan speed bounced up and down from my set speed.

None of that applied because I don't use smart mode.
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post #5202 of 6494
In ASUS' ROG forums I've seen it said that running another monitoring program like HWiNFO HWMonitor can cause issues with AI Suite / Fan Expert being able to accurately monitor temps and control fan speeds. Might want to ask there about your issues.

edit:
Also, if plugging in the 12v connector makes your fan speeds go 100% then it's not getting a PWM signal. Many mobos CPU_FAN header will automatically switch between PWM and voltage control depending on whether you have a 3 pin or a 4 pin fan plugged into it (fwiw the Z87-A manual on p. viii specifically says "4-Pin CPU Fan connector supports both 3-Pin (DC Mode) and 4-Pin (PWM Mode) CPU coolers control").

I'm starting to suspect that however ASUS has implemented that whenever the 12v is connected it causes it to automatically switch from PWM to voltage control, which is something the Phanteks hub needs it not to do in order for it to function properly. I wonder if switching the CPU fan profile in the BIOS from [Standard] to [Manual] wouldn't have an effect on that. In [Manual] it looks like you can set up temp / speed parameters in the BIOS for the CPU_FAN header independent of AI Suite.
Edited by Unicr0nhunter - 8/10/14 at 5:50am
post #5203 of 6494
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In ASUS' ROG forums I've seen it said that running another monitoring program like HWiNFO HWMonitor can cause issues with AI Suite / Fan Expert being able to accurately monitor temps and control fan speeds. Might want to ask there about your issues.

I don't own an RoG motherboard, its an Asus Z87-A. I know its still Asus, but.... semantics?

I've never gone off the temperatures given by the motherboard, only from HWiNFO. Fan speed however, it does match up pretty much identical between Fan Xpert II and HWiNFO.

Its not a matter of monitoring these speeds, its that the speed ramps up and down. I am constantly hearing the fans increase..decrease..increase..decrease..increase..decrease..increase..decrease.. You get it. It is only a change of 200rpm, but it gets annoying. I just want it to be constant!
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post #5204 of 6494
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I don't own an RoG motherboard, its an Asus Z87-A. I know its still Asus, but.... semantics?

I've never gone off the temperatures given by the motherboard, only from HWiNFO. Fan speed however, it does match up pretty much identical between Fan Xpert II and HWiNFO.

Its not a matter of monitoring these speeds, its that the speed ramps up and down. I am constantly hearing the fans increase..decrease..increase..decrease..increase..decrease..increase..decrease.. You get it. It is only a change of 200rpm, but it gets annoying. I just want it to be constant!

The fact I've seen it in ROG forums I would think is inconsequential. Does ASUS have another forum? If so I'm unaware of it. If so maybe ask in that forum. As I understand it (or possibly misunderstand it) the issue between other monitoring programs and AI Suite is caused by multiple programs trying to poll the same components for temps, and Fan Expert needs access to those temps full time to accurately control your fan speeds. It apparently causes AI Suite to go buggy. I've seen quite a few times them recommending to uninstall any/all other such program if you are having any issue with AI Suite to rule it out as the cause. Sounds extreme? Maybe, but I have seen posts back from people confirming that doing that solved their issues.
post #5205 of 6494
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The fact I've seen it in ROG forums I would think is inconsequential. Does ASUS have another forum? If so I'm unaware of it. If so maybe ask in that forum. As I understand it (or possibly misunderstand it) the issue between other monitoring programs and AI Suite is caused by multiple programs trying to poll the same components for temps, and Fan Expert needs access to those temps full time to accurately control your fan speeds. It apparently causes AI Suite to go buggy. I've seen quite a few times them recommending to uninstall any/all other such program if you are having any issue with AI Suite to rule it out as the cause. Sounds extreme? Maybe, but I have seen posts back from people confirming that doing that solved their issues.

When I first set up my fans in the new case, I wasn't using HWiNFO, just Fan Xpert II to monitor the speeds. Even if I close out of HWiNFO, the problem persists. I did a restart, and still it persists. I re-did the Fan Tuning, and it still persists.

Also, can you or anyone else comment on the Phanteks Fan? Does your 140mm jockey back and forth within its enclosure?
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false NOT FALSE!! FACT!!
  • If fan speeds up when you plug in the Sata power than I'm pretty sure you do not have a PWM signal from motherboard fan header pin 4 going to fan hub.
  • Are you monitoring only 1 fan's rpm on fan hub or more than one?
  • Smart mode seems to be problematic. I don't think the fan hub changes fan rpm as fast as Fan Xpert needs the changes for "Smart Mode" to function properly.
  • Have you tried changing the curve temp/speed low or high setting a little to see if that will stop the fan changing speed? That is what I had to do on my system. Seems the temp was increasing slightly causing fan to speed up slightly causing temp to drop slightly, causing fan to slow down, causing heat to rise, causing fan to speed up, etc. biggrin.gif

I have the PWM cable from the fan hub plugged into my CPU_FAN header. The only true PWM header on my motherboard, just as the manual specifies. When I plug the sata power in, all fans ramp up speed to near 100. Right now, I just have the 4pin fan hub cable plugged into the motherboard and I get range from 30-100%.

It only monitors the speed of the fan in position #1 on the fan hub.

I am not using smart mode, I use RPM mode. I said that I tried smart mode to see if that fixed the problem, it does not. I use RPM mode and the fan speed bounced up and down from my set speed.

None of that applied because I don't use smart mode.
REMOVE THE "FALSE" YOU ADDED TO MY QUOTE!!! mad.gif

What I said is 100% true!! mad.gif
PWM fans can be speed regulated by both PWM signal and 12volt power OR pulsed 12v from source OR variable voltage.
If a PWM fan is powered by 12 volt source (like PSU Sata plug) and is receiving a PWM signal on pin 4 from the motherboard the fan will change speeds .. but if there is no PWM signal on pin 4 the fan will run at 100% speed!

Unicr0nhunter is telling you the same thing! mad.gif
Edited by doyll - 8/10/14 at 6:58am
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The only Phanteks fans I wound up using are the ones in the front of my Primo and I can't say that I noticed any 'jockying back and forth' but I can't say I've ever spent any time looking at them. I don't use my Phanteks hub either though so the issues others keep having with it are really just a curiosity to me. It does seem that the hub included with the Pro has been more troublesome for people than the one that came with the Primo. Comparing images of the one that came with the Pro compared to the one that came with the Primo there looks to be significant differences between them.

Don't suppose you saw my edit to post 5252 and tried seeing if you have better control of the fans using the settings in the BIOS instead of with Fan Expert?
post #5208 of 6494
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REMOVE THE "FALSE" YOU ADDED TO MY QUOTE!!! mad.gif

What I said is 100% true!! mad.gif
PWM fans can be speed regulated by both PWM signal and 12volt power OR pulsed 12v from source OR variable voltage.
If a PWM fan is powered by 12 volt source (like PSU Sata plug) and is receiving a PWM signal on pin 4 from the motherboard the fan will change speeds .. but if there is no PWM signal on pin 4 the fan will run at 100% speed!

Unicr0nhunter is telling you the same thing! mad.gif

I did not say false? You said false on the very top of post #5200, before you quoted me. I just quoted you.

Whatever I was experiencing, it was the "pulse." I seem to have found a half-way solution: What I did was remove the 4pin Fan Hub cable from the motherboard, and plugged in the fan that I was using in Fan Hub Spot #1 directly into the motherboard. I ran the Fan Xpert II Fan Tuning. Then I unplugged the fan directly from the motherboard, replugged it back into the fan hub's slot #1, and finally plugged the fan hub back into the motherboard CPU header. NOW, finally when I change the RPM it does it as it should without the pulsing. I still only have control from 30%(637rpm) to 100%(1650rpm), but at least it is not pulsing.

It is pretty obvious that the fan hub on the Enthoo Pro causes more headaches than it helps to solve... At least I finally got mine working to a satisfactory result.

Also, what is your 140mm Phanteks Fan like? Does it jockey back and forth? I'm worried that mine got damaged during shipped when the toolbox came loose.
Edited by PinkoTheCommi - 8/10/14 at 7:16am
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I did not say false? That was Unic0rnHunter in post #5200. [...]

No, it wasn't. Post #5200 is Doyll's not mine. I have not quoted Doyll in a post in quite a while. Your post #5201 does look to have a "false" added to a quote by Doyll, whether it was inadvertent or anything meant by it or not I couldn't tell.
post #5210 of 6494
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No, it wasn't. Post #5200 is Doyll's not mine. I have not quoted Doyll in a post in quite a while. Your post #5201 does look to have a "false" added to a quote by Doyll, whether it was inadvertent or anything meant by it or not I couldn't tell.

I didn't look close enough, it was Doyll who posted #5200, and I edited my post where I said your name to correct it to Doyll. He is the one who said false. Look at the very top of post #5200. I did not say false, I just quoted his post. He must have said it inadvertently.
Edited by PinkoTheCommi - 8/10/14 at 7:24am
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